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Review of medical cards outsourced to German company.

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  • #32
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Take medical cards off really sick people and give them to healthy under 6's:rolleyes::mad:


  • #33
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    No they are not and they were not cheaper either.

    HSE tendering almost every part of everything they do at the moment. have split themselves into 3 uhh north middle and south is the best way of saying it.

    German company didnt win that tender as it was never tendered, it was simply outsourced without tendering.

    My job in for all 3 and found out a part was sent off to germany without tender.

    future tribunal :D

    So, what will the HSE be doing? Slashing middle management manpower? Cutting costs left right and center? Saving a fortune? Or still pi55ing it all up a wall while delivering very little?


  • #34
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Take medical cards off really sick people and give them to healthy under 6's:rolleyes::mad:

    Under 6's will not be getting a medical card though so what's your point?


  • #35
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Quite apt news on the day that is in it.

    Tonight, Fine Gael and Labour Voted against a SF motion to restore Medical cards to the very sick, the terminally ill, and people (including small children) With Disabilities and life limiting conditions. 

    Sickening where their priorities are. They need sent a clear message on Fri week.

    Are you still trying to pedal this sensationalist bull****?
    :rolleyes:


  • #36
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Consider 50% of the population is already covered by medical cards theres a a lot to complain against ,
    A SF popularity stunt failed
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  • #37
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Under 6's will not be getting a medical card though so what's your point?

    Well, free gp care, so money that once went to seriously sick people via medical cards is now diverted to the under 6's no matter how healthy they are or how wealthy their parents are. Its crass vote buying at its worst.


  • #38
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Redsquigy wrote: »
    My disabled son got a form last week to review his medical card. On it it says "have your circumstances changed since your last review". I rang them and told them that unfortunately he has had no miracle over the last 9 years. He is still paralyzed from the neck down and until some medical miracle happens he will always be like that. The answer I got was "you still have to fill it in, we are reviewing everybody's medical card even mine". :eek:
    Was the question just about his medical circumstances? Or did it hint at broader circumstances? What if a rich aunt left your son 30 million euro since he received his medical card?

    I don't see any problem in periodic reviews and asking people to update their circumstances. It's called oversight. Obviously sensitivity is an important issue as to how it's done, but Jebus we complain when there's no oversight and then complain when there is.

    I don't see the big uproar about somebody receiving a free/subsidised service being asked to provide details of their circumstances every now and again.


  • #39
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Uriel. wrote: »
    ... but Jebus we complain when there's no oversight and then complain when there is.

    "Oversight for everyone except me!

    I'm "entitled" to it!"


  • #40
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    "Oversight for everyone except me!

    I'm "entitled" to it!"

    Damn right


  • #41
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    tmc86 wrote: »
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    ?


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  • #42
    tmc86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭tmc86


    Uriel. wrote: »
    ?

    Wrong thread!


  • #43
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    While I'm the last person to defend the HSE, it's also possible that they've no database at all.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they'd no notion of why people had the cards and effectively are now asking people to reapply to gather that information.

    Some of these public bodies had spectacularly chaotic paper-based systems that evolved organically rather than being designed.

    The medical cards had been processed very locally for a long time so, I'm guessing they've a total mess of local databases.

    It seems to me that they're working blind.

    They could do it a bit more tactfully though!


  • #44
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Well, free gp care, so money that once went to seriously sick people via medical cards is now diverted to the under 6's no matter how healthy they are or how wealthy their parents are. Its crass vote buying at its worst.

    The people who will benefit mostly from this will be working class people who have to shell out €50 a pop everytime they have to take a sick child to the doctor. That's all it covers, the doctors visit....not the prescription....not the medicine....just the visit.

    The so called "poorest in society" will still have their medical cards and they will still receive their free medical care. Means testing the medical card is the best way to ensure that the system is not abused. FWIW i also believe that the system is flawed and of course their are people in society who should never have a medical card taken away but the truth of the matter is there are many who don't need a medical card and these need to be weeded out.


  • #45
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Are you still trying to pedal this sensationalist bull****?
    :rolleyes:


    They didn't vote it down:confused:

    Source?


  • #46
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,265 ✭✭✭Daith


    Uriel. wrote: »
    I don't see any problem in periodic reviews and asking people to update their circumstances. It's called oversight. Obviously sensitivity is an important issue as to how it's done, but Jebus we complain when there's no oversight and then complain when there is.

    I'd agree but surely there can be room for people with permanent medical conditions? Perhaps not a frequent as others for example?


  • #47
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Daith wrote: »
    I'd agree but surely there can be room for people with permanent medical conditions? Perhaps not a frequent as others for example?

    So how frequently? Every year? 5 years? 10 Years?


  • #48
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Daith wrote: »
    I'd agree but surely there can be room for people with permanent medical conditions? Perhaps not a frequent as others for example?

    How often are people reviewed?


  • #49
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    "Oversight for everyone except me!

    I'm "entitled" to it!"
    Uriel. wrote: »
    Was the question just about his medical circumstances? Or did it hint at broader circumstances? What if a rich aunt left your son 30 million euro since he received his medical card?

    I don't see any problem in periodic reviews and asking people to update their circumstances. It's called oversight. Obviously sensitivity is an important issue as to how it's done, but Jebus we complain when there's no oversight and then complain when there is.

    I don't see the big uproar about somebody receiving a free/subsidised service being asked to provide details of their circumstances every now and again.

    A 30 million euro legacy from a rich aunt? you really are clutching at straws. If you believe so strongly in oversight for a free/subsidised service how do you defend free GP care for under 6s with no oversight?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #50
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    We need to figure out why the Irish health system is getting such bad value for money compared to other EU systems though.

    I've yet to see a comprehensive report on it which makes me think that there are vested interests that don't want to be questioned.

    When you combine public funding and insurance funding, it's a fairly well financially resourced system, yet the service levels are often very poor.

    I get the impression that the government cuts a budget and the services create a PR crisis by cutting services and putting front line staff under pressure rather than reorganising how things are done to reduce costs.

    I'm not sure if that's just because it's a huge bureaucracy or if it's a way of creating a situation where the state can't control the budget.


  • #51
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    A 30 million euro legacy from a rich aunt? you really are clutching at straws. If you believe so strongly in oversight for a free/subsidised service how do you defend free GP care for under 6s with no oversight?

    Try taking a 7 year old child to the GP and getting free child care when this comes in.


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  • #52
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Try taking a 7 year old child to the GP and getting free child care when this comes in.

    Maybe the government will fund trips to Lourdes for all sick children so they are miraculously cured before their 6th birthday. How can access to medical care based on age not on need be justified?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #53
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,265 ✭✭✭Daith


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So how frequently? Every year? 5 years? 10 Years?

    Does it matter? It depends what the HSE want to get from the form. Does your child still have the same condition or more general information.


  • #54
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Maybe the government will fund trips to Lourdes for all sick children so they are miraculously cured before their 6th birthday. How can access to medical care based on age not on need be justified?

    Do you have children?

    Here's the thing see, young kids get sick A LOT! Measles, chicken pox, throat infections you name it and kids in their early years will get it while there immune system builds up. That's why kids under 6 should get free GP care.


  • #55
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Do you have children?

    Here's the thing see, young kids get sick A LOT! Measles, chicken pox, throat infections you name it and kids in their early years will get it while there immune system builds up. That's why kids under 6 should get free GP care.

    I have 3 kids all under 6 and thankfully they are all healthy. I genuinely could count on one hand the number of times I have been to the GP with them.
    In reality measles is very uncommon thanks to the MMR vaccine and chicken pox will not be helped by a visit to the GP.
    The truth is that sick children, irrespective of age get sick more often than healthy children. No amount of spin will change that fact.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #56
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Do you have children?

    Here's the thing see, young kids get sick A LOT! Measles, chicken pox, throat infections you name it and kids in their early years will get it while there immune system builds up. That's why kids under 6 should get free GP care.

    when i was a kid you did not go to the doctor over conditions like these you only went near a doctor if you broke an arm or a leg or were really at deaths door


  • #57
    keano_afc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Is Denis O'Brien involved in this company in any way?


  • #58
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    when i was a kid you did not go to the doctor over conditions like these you only went near a doctor if you broke an arm or a leg or were really at deaths door

    Yeah, sure parents would just splint up a broken leg in my day and send us back out to play no bother :rolleyes:


  • #59
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    I have 3 kids all under 6 and thankfully they are all healthy. I genuinely could count on one hand the number of times I have been to the GP with them.
    In reality measles is very uncommon thanks to the MMR vaccine and chicken pox will not be helped by a visit to the GP.
    The truth is that sick children, irrespective of age get sick more often than healthy children. No amount of spin will change that fact.

    And you are one of the lucky ones, I have a 2 year old and he has been to the doctors twice with a throat infection but i have a friend who has been to the doctors 7 times so far this year with his 3 year old, That's €350 so far just to SEE the doctor.


  • #60
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,265 ✭✭✭Daith


    Uriel. wrote: »
    How often are people reviewed?

    No idea but not every case is the same are they?

    All I'm saying is the HSE could employ flexibility around different conditions. If you think it's a bad idea please let me know.


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  • #61
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    The EU is really pushing this free market bollockology too far, looks like they want to make national governments nothing but rubber stampers for outsourcing corporations.


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