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The great big "ask an airline pilot" thread!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,007 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Does the move to the left seat in your company open up more of the possibility of moving types in the future should you wish, or what do you see as the next step forward for yourself?
    Wow interesting question :) Any fleet change is based on seniority, we have about 70 pilots but only 3 are still First Officers, so my Captain seniority is terrible. If we get a replacement for the G4, then i will get to move to that, or if the fleet size increases, i might get a sniff of something else.
    Alternatively, once i get 500 hours as Captain, then i can jump across and fly the A320 in the airline side, or if i want to stay corporate, i can move to our charter operation and fly the 7X.

    There are pros and cons to each of these plans, I'm happy and quite spoilt where i am now, so i have no desire to move anywhere :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭billie1b


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Wow interesting question :) Any fleet change is based on seniority, we have about 70 pilots but only 3 are still First Officers, so my Captain seniority is terrible. If we get a replacement for the G4, then i will get to move to that, or if the fleet size increases, i might get a sniff of something else.
    Alternatively, once i get 500 hours as Captain, then i can jump across and fly the A320 in the airline side, or if i want to stay corporate, i can move to our charter operation and fly the 7X.

    There are pros and cons to each of these plans, I'm happy and quite spoilt where i am now, so i have no desire to move anywhere :)

    Well done and conrats on your command, wish you all the best with your career


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Suasdaguna1


    Jack1985 wrote: »


    What I would think you are describing is the ''bogey-effect'' there are two noticeable thuds on an A330 upon touchdown

    Not if your handy. :) sorry jack...couldn't resist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭BetterThanThou


    I've got a question I've wondered for a while, one of my dreams when I was younger was becoming an airline pilot, but it became something I decided against, due to a number of reasons. But, from the time that it was my dream, I had always wondered, what is it like flying a long haul flight? Are you constantly doing work, or are you occupying your time with something else while performing checks at set intervals?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,007 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Our max range is 8:30 hrs, so not really long range but long enough to sit in the seat, today I'm heading off on a 6:30 hr flight so basically it should go something like this, top of climb, start recording fuel calculations and time so that we can see if we are on schedule and burning the planned fuel. We record RVSM heights every hour and engine parameters after about 3 hours. Passing the Greek FIR we will give a company position report on HF. The weather at destination isn't forecast to be that great, so we will constantly keep checking on it every time we can, that means by VHF with some of our ground offices, or HF listening to Shannon met report. We will cross 7 Flight Information Regions (FIRS), so we get to talk to quite a number of different controllers. The weather over Italy is also expected to be turbulent, so we will probably spend time trying to avoid the worst of it.
    We also get the pleasure of stuffing our faces with some awesome food, so that takes care of an hour of so :)
    Apart from that we get to look out and marvel at the amazing landscape.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭basill


    A typical atlantic crossing would involve a busy climb and early cruise phase as you obtain an oceanic clearance for the tracks, liaise with domestic atc, obtain weather, check systems and fuel, discuss a strategy for a diversion, and a quick PA to the pax before the punters get into the service and IFE. Prior to entering the ocean and track system we have various belts and braces checks that we do to ensure we are going in on the right track at the right mach no, level and time. There are further checks as we travel across the ocean to avoid a gross navigation error. Every 30 minutes we check fuel and the systems but most of us will be keeping a keen eye on the key things on a more regular basis. New forecast and actual weather will be obtained for the etops and operational alternates and a suitable strategy discussed and agreed should it be needed. We will also be listening out to both the distress and chat vhf frequencies and providing turbulence reports back to the office for any following company aircraft. Sig wx charts will be consulted to try and avoid and surprises for the pax - ideally with the seatbelt signs going on generally in anticipation of any bumps.

    In between there is chatting, food, coffee & tea, newspapers, books, ipads and all the company manuals for consultation. The latter especially when you have a visit to the sim or ground school training coming up. Getting up to stretch the legs and a wander is invaluable as well.

    Every crossing is different, for some the time flies and others you may be into the teeth of strong headwinds watching the minutes slowly tick by.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭Darwin


    Does each airline have their own SOP which describes what SLOP to apply for atlantic crossings or is at the discretion of the commander? How are weather diversions handled if you have to further deviate from this offset (e.g. is the avoidance reported to Shanwick who keeps tabs on things). Thanks :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Darwin wrote: »
    Does each airline have their own SOP which describes what SLOP to apply for atlantic crossings or is at the discretion of the commander? How are weather diversions handled if you have to further deviate from this offset (e.g. is the avoidance reported to Shanwick who keeps tabs on things). Thanks :)

    SLOPs are standard in the NATS. You can SLOP 0, 1 or 2nm to the right. No other SLOP positions are allowed. Each commander is expected to choose a 1 or 2nm SLOP if the aircraft are capable of doing it automatically. If the aircraft does not have that facility, you are expected to stay on the centreline. All other things being equal, the choice should be random, but pilots will look at what other traffic in the area are doing, wind direction, direction of likely diversion etc when making their decision.

    Weather deviations require an ATC clearance from whichever control centre you are working at the time. If it is not possible to get one there is a standard procedure that involves deviating from the track and either climbing or decending 300ft depending on which direction you deviate, if you deviate by more than 10nm. You must also declare a mayday, and you would be expected to broadcast your intentions on 121.5 and 123.45.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭basill


    Its worthwhile noting that cpdlc really is the dogs proverbial these days. Most of the time you wouldn't bother using HF to make a wx deviation request but instead send it via cpdlc. The last few times i have been denied but as PP noted followed the contingency procedures. Once Shanwick saw us deviating they simply sent us a cpdlc message requesting for us to advise them when back on track and at level. Even without radar it really is a case of big brother watching you these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    Quick Q: When you see flight crew coming out of the Customs hall into Arrivals at DUB, are they usually before the pax from that flight, or after most of the pax, or is it not possible to say with baggage delays etc? IOW, are you first out, or last out?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Growler!!!


    OzCam wrote: »
    Quick Q: When you see flight crew coming out of the Customs hall into Arrivals at DUB, are they usually before the pax from that flight, or after most of the pax, or is it not possible to say with baggage delays etc? IOW, are you first out, or last out?

    What you doing out of the airsoft forum :D

    Almost impossible to say, there are so many variables at play. We will always be the last of the aircraft after the pax and post flight duties.
    Mr business man with only carry on luggage will be out past customs first. The family with small kids and checked baggage will be last.

    We will be somewhere in between. TBH I wouldn't be able to tell you most of the time who our pax were as I may not have seen them at boarding if they were brought out by bus etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    I get around.

    Thanks, that's what I thought.

    PS: I worked in DUB before I was an airsofter :) IT Support for DAA, as was. Job was a complete nightmare, trying to keep the networks, screens and Duty Free systems up while the builders were rebuilding T1 under us. I lasted 5 months, but I wasn't too upset about that, 'cos the guy before me lasted 2 weeks, and the one before him 3 days. Loved watching the pax - well certain pax ;) - go by though. I even wore a tie, most days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,007 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Thats it, training DONE!!! 6 months of "fun"..... i had to do a couple of observed flights once qualified, so first was to Paris and the second one was today, the grand total distance of 98 nms :) boy was it fun. We took off from a military airfield that is close to 5000 feet high, climbed to 16,000 feet, asked for direct to final approach fix and started descent, 300 kts down to 10,000 feet followed by 250 to about about 5 miles to the fix, then slowing down, configuring and landing, after that it was kinda strange as we got parked in unique parking. Full guard of honour to meet us, ceremonial guard etc, it was quite impressive. Total flight time, about 16 minutes :) ( i should add that all of the ceremony was for a visiting King, we just got to park in his spot before him :))

    Talk about two total extremes of our flight regimes :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭b757


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Thats it, training DONE!!! 6 months of "fun"..... i had to do a couple of observed flights once qualified, so first was to Paris and the second one was today, the grand total distance of 98 nms :) boy was it fun. We took off from a military airfield that is close to 5000 feet high, climbed to 16,000 feet, asked for direct to final approach fix and started descent, 300 kts down to 10,000 feet followed by 250 to about about 5 miles to the fix, then slowing down, configuring and landing, after that it was kinda strange as we got parked in unique parking. Full guard of honour to meet us, ceremonial guard etc, it was quite impressive. Total flight time, about 16 minutes :) ( i should add that all of the ceremony was for a visiting King, we just got to park in his spot before him :))

    Talk about two total extremes of our flight regimes :)

    Congratulations! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    One more for the private pilots here.

    In the movies ya see people on say, a gulfstream, they're flying over the atlantic from New York to London then the passengers decide they want to go to Rome instead so they just tell the pilot.

    How easy is it just to change course and arrival airport at this late stage??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    scudzilla wrote: »
    One more for the private pilots here.

    In the movies ya see people on say, a gulfstream, they're flying over the atlantic from New York to London then the passengers decide they want to go to Rome instead so they just tell the pilot.

    How easy is it just to change course and arrival airport at this late stage??
    Pretty easy to do ATC wise.... But fuel requirements are a different problem!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭olive20


    Just listening here to the Flight Radio and quick question about the current Dublin early summer showers.

    I heard the Aer lingus commuter prop plane they sound so calm and take any heading no problem but the jet pilots are left 15 right 15 constant and all talking over each other but kinda hear the quiver in the voices.
    Surely the bumps would be worse in the old prop planes?
    Or is it water being ingested into jets that seems more concerning?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭MoeJay


    Maybe something to do with the fact that the jets might be moving a bit faster than the props and need the heading change a bit quicker...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,007 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    How easy is it just to change course and arrival airport at this late stage??
    The easy part is fuel and ATC, but then you have to consider overflight permits, landing permits and slots, handling agents, visas etc. In some parts of the world this sort of re-route is easy, in others it will be a nightmare :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭amen


    Or is it water being ingested into jets that seems more concerning?

    water ingestion is generally not an issue. Jet engines are designed/tested to operate in extreme weather conditions (monsoon type rains). There are some good videos available of these tests https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faDWFwDy8-U


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭View Profile


    olive20 wrote: »
    Just listening here to the Flight Radio and quick question about the current Dublin early summer showers.

    I heard the Aer lingus commuter prop plane they sound so calm and take any heading no problem but the jet pilots are left 15 right 15 constant and all talking over each other but kinda hear the quiver in the voices.
    Surely the bumps would be worse in the old prop planes?
    Or is it water being ingested into jets that seems more concerning?

    The prop boys are just used to bumbling around in the weather all the time where as the jet boys are always flying the clearer air above.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭olive20


    Yeah different breed.
    Had a Cockpit J/S recently on the Atr and Wow I was impressed with the kit the Ladies had.(All Female crew that sector) Brand new plane.
    Different skills required from the looks of it, A Jet J/S never did it for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭nd001


    When I do be listening to dublin atc you sometimes hear I think its the pilots or dispatchers talking to each other when the flight is on approach do dublin talking about stands for aircraft and loads for the next flight and fuel required. Is this calculated by the pilots before they even make it down or are they passed on the info via company. Thanks in advance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭billie1b


    nd001 wrote: »
    When I do be listening to dublin atc you sometimes hear I think its the pilots or dispatchers talking to each other when the flight is on approach do dublin talking about stands for aircraft and loads for the next flight and fuel required. Is this calculated by the pilots before they even make it down or are they passed on the info via company. Thanks in advance

    Most times it is the Flight Deck speaking to whats called 'station control', the station controller will then pass the figures onto the relevant dispatchers, most flight crews will know their next fuel load needed. Station Control also send all the relevant info of pax loads, flight crews, a/c type, reg and any specials on board to the destination airport of the flight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭nd001


    thats great appreciate that. Do the flight crew know the fuel required based on knowledge of previous sectors flown or is their more to it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭View Profile


    We have a "flight plan" which states how much fuel we require for each flight based on the distance we fly, amount of passengers and baggage, fuel weight, head/tail wind, flight level flown, expected departure and approach procedure, indivudual aircraft engine burn performance, as well as holding fuel, diversion fuel etc.

    Using this info and our own experience of the route and possible weather issues, we calculate the required fuel we need.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Growler!!!


    nd001 wrote: »
    thats great appreciate that. Do the flight crew know the fuel required based on knowledge of previous sectors flown or is their more to it

    The pilots will get a Pilot LOG (PLOG) from their flight planning department which will advise them of the fuel burn at various altitudes. The optimum level will generally have the lowest fuel burn. But the captain can select a different level if for example the winds are more favourable or the time is shorter.

    The fuel carried will be the total used for:

    Taxi
    Trip - how much used from A to B
    Contingency - 5% of trip fuel to allow for changes in weather
    Alternate - how much used from B to C if needed
    Final Reserve - minimum in tanks to hold over the airfield for 30 minutes
    Extra fuel - additional fuel carried at captains discretion

    Everything except for Extra fuel, is considered the absolute legal minimum to dispatch with.
    A prudent captain will always carry a little more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Growler!!! wrote: »
    The pilots will get a Pilot LOG (PLOG) from their flight planning department which will advise them of the fuel burn at various altitudes. The optimum level will generally have the lowest fuel burn. But the captain can select a different level if for example the winds are more favourable or the time is shorter.

    The fuel carried will be the total used for:

    Taxi
    Trip - how much used from A to B
    Contingency - 5% of trip fuel to allow for changes in weather
    Alternate - how much used from B to C if needed
    Final Reserve - minimum in tanks to hold over the airfield for 30 minutes
    Extra fuel - additional fuel carried at captains discretion

    Everything except for Extra fuel, is considered the absolute legal minimum to dispatch with.
    A prudent captain will always carry a little more.

    Well now, that's going to cause a row!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭nd001


    thats great clears things up for me thanks for the replies sounds like theres a bit more to it than just opening the fuel tank and filling up :).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    Growler!!! wrote: »
    Everything except for Extra fuel, is considered the absolute legal minimum to dispatch with.
    Contingency fuel can be used after the fuel bowser is disconnected, so it is legally possible to dispatch without having it on board.


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