Publicans want 15% levy on off licence sales....

The_Valeyard · 30-07-2013 08:31PM

Publicans can go F**k themselves.

Stuff is dear enough as it is.

Rant over.

lovesfatgirls · 30-07-2013 08:35PM

and dont forget theres tax to be added to that and then the tax on the tax thats on the tax

Jamsiek · 30-07-2013 08:49PM

Trigger Happy wrote: »

...to cover lost revenue due to Alcohol advertising ban in sports.

They claim that this 15% levy on off licence sales would "protect the employment intensive on-trade sector and 50,000 associated jobs while generating badly needed revenue for sports and other areas."

Methinks they have been supping too much of their own stock.

http://www.thejournal.ie/lid-levy-alcohol-sponsorship-sports-1013466-Jul2013/

They have nobody to blame but themselves, if they can't compete then they should raise their game

oppenheimer1 · 30-07-2013 09:22PM

Stephen Fast Missile wrote: »

This is a stupid proposal but the most stupid proposal is the banning of drink advertising in sport which is leading to this proposal.

It's absolute nanny state bull s*it. The amount of money that will be lost for sport is huge and they expect drinkers to make up this difference when the drinks companies are happy to pump money into sport,

Its a sad day for sport when the anti-drink and anti-fun brigade in the government force this on the county. All this on top of the fact that in reality drink advertising in sport is making no difference to consumption etc.

Ah yes, those civic minded drinks companies pay millions in sponsorship and exclusive sports deals out of the goodness of their hearts... :rolleyes:

30-07-2013 10:25PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Not any more, when I was young and foolish.:)

Yeah, the trade is dying. Nothing to do with lack of expertise, supermarkets, or the variety of beer on tap. It's dying due to social and technological changes, the VFI are trying to flog a dead horse.

I don't think the trade is dying and certainly not in city centres. I'm out in pubs eveyweek and not only are weekends busy but Thursday nights are also very busy.

Personally I don't think you can beat pubs. I can't understand people converting their entire social life from the pub to drinking in houses. Drinking in the house is fine once in a while or for a few before heading out but it's just not the same as pubs and clubs.

Galwayguy35 · 31-07-2013 02:13AM

Stephen Fast Missile wrote: »

I don't think the trade is dying and certainly not in city centres. I'm out in pubs eveyweek and not only are weekends busy but Thursday nights are also very busy.

Personally I don't think you can beat pubs. I can't understand people converting their entire social life from the pub to drinking in houses. Drinking in the house is fine once in a while or for a few before heading out but it's just not the same as pubs and clubs.

Maybe because they can't afford to pay the high prices in pubs anymore?

Great for you that you can be out in pubs every week but many people have no money for that and decide to buy alcohol at a reasonable price in the supermarket and invite friends over for a social drink or like to relax at home themselves and have a drink.

31-07-2013 02:24AM

Was out for a few on Saturday night and wasn't in the mood to drink too much so after a couple of pints decided I'd stay with bottles for the rest of the night. Went up to the bar and asked for a bottle if Corona. I handed the barman a 5 euro note and expected at least 80 cent back. The Barman went to the till and returned to ask me for 10 cent. I assumed that he was low on change and wanted to give me a euro coin back. All I had was notes so told him to put the change in the tip jar and turned to walk away only for him to call me back and inform me that a bottle of beer was €5.10. I was absolutely disgusted as no matter how you try and dress it up there is no way in hell that a 330ml bottle of beer should be anywhere close to €5. ffs, I bought a six pack of it earlier in the day for €8.

31-07-2013 02:47AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Was out for a few on Saturday night and wasn't in the mood to drink too much so after a couple of pints decided I'd stay with bottles for the rest of the night. Went up to the bar and asked for a bottle if Corona. I handed the barman a 5 euro note and expected at least 80 cent back. The Barman went to the till and returned to ask me for 10 cent. I assumed that he was low on change and wanted to give me a euro coin back. All I had was notes so told him to put the change in the tip jar and turned to walk away only for him to call me back and inform me that a bottle of beer was €5.10. I was absolutely disgusted as no matter how you try and dress it up there is no way in hell that a 330ml bottle of beer should be anywhere close to €5. ffs, I bought a six pack of it earlier in the day for €8.

Someone will be along in a minute to tell you that 6 for €8 was below-cost selling :pac:

Banjo String · 31-07-2013 07:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Someone will be along in a minute to tell you that 6 for €8 was below-cost selling :pac:

Or that the €5.10 was to cover the lighting, heating, sky sub, wages rates etc.

We all know that the bottle sold must be sold at a profit, fair enough. But let's assume the bottle cost the pub €1-1.50

That's some profit margin. (+/-%400)

bumper234 · 31-07-2013 07:45AM

SamHall wrote: »

Or that the €5.10 was to cover the lighting, heating, sky sub, wages rates etc.

We all know that the bottle sold must be sold at a profit, fair enough. But let's assume the bottle cost the pub €1-1.50

That's some profit margin. (+/-%400)

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Sundy · 31-07-2013 07:56AM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Ah yes, those civic minded drinks companies pay millions in sponsorship and exclusive sports deals out of the goodness of their hearts... :rolleyes:

Those drinks companies sponsor to get people to drink their product rather than another product. I doubt the market is growing too much so its probably more about increasing market share.

Does Toyota sponsoring Munster mean more cars on the road? No it tries to influence people to buy a Toyota rather than say an Opel.

kylith · 31-07-2013 08:17AM

Stephen Fast Missile wrote: »

I don't think the trade is dying and certainly not in city centres. I'm out in pubs eveyweek and not only are weekends busy but Thursday nights are also very busy.

Personally I don't think you can beat pubs. I can't understand people converting their entire social life from the pub to drinking in houses. Drinking in the house is fine once in a while or for a few before heading out but it's just not the same as pubs and clubs.

You're right, it's not the same. In my house:
The beer is cheaper
My favourite beer is always available
Food is served at any time
There's no queue for the toilet
The toilet is sanitary
The music is at a volume at which conversation can be had
I am guaranteed to get a seat
If I don't like what's on the telly I can change it
No-one minds if I doze off in a corner
The smoking area is wherever I want it to be
I don't have to queue up for a taxi to get home

Would I be right in thinking that you're quite young and therefore equate drinking at home to pre-drinking or a session? After a while you're not so worried about having a mad night, and you just want a nice pint somewhere you can relax, and you can't relax in the majority of pubs.

homemadecider · 31-07-2013 08:50AM

kylith wrote: »

You're right, it's not the same. In my house:
The beer is cheaper
My favourite beer is always available
Food is served at any time
There's no cue for the toilet
The toilet is sanitary
The music is at a volume at which conversation can be had
I am guaranteed to get a seat
If I don't like what's on the telly I can change it
No-one minds if I doze off in a corner
The smoking area is wherever I want it to be
I don't have to cue up for a taxi to get home

Would I be right in thinking that you're quite young and therefore equate drinking at home to pre-drinking or a session? After a while you're not so worried about having a mad night, and you just want a nice pint somewhere you can relax, and you can't relax in the majority of pubs.

You forgot to add that when you reach a certain level of merriment, you can take your clothes off and have a naked disco in the sitting room! Obviously I try to keep this to the occasions where its only myself and himself

MadsL · 31-07-2013 09:09AM

SamHall wrote: »

Or that the €5.10 was to cover the lighting, heating, sky sub, wages rates etc.

We all know that the bottle sold must be sold at a profit, fair enough. But let's assume the bottle cost the pub €1-1.50

That's some profit margin. (+/-%400)

3:1 is normal, 4:1 if the bar is doing a good trade.

anncoates · 31-07-2013 09:22AM

kylith wrote: »

There's no cue for the toilet

How do you know when to go then?

adocholiday · 31-07-2013 09:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Was out for a few on Saturday night and wasn't in the mood to drink too much so after a couple of pints decided I'd stay with bottles for the rest of the night. Went up to the bar and asked for a bottle if Corona. I handed the barman a 5 euro note and expected at least 80 cent back. The Barman went to the till and returned to ask me for 10 cent. I assumed that he was low on change and wanted to give me a euro coin back. All I had was notes so told him to put the change in the tip jar and turned to walk away only for him to call me back and inform me that a bottle of beer was €5.10. I was absolutely disgusted as no matter how you try and dress it up there is no way in hell that a 330ml bottle of beer should be anywhere close to €5. ffs, I bought a six pack of it earlier in the day for €8.

To be honest €5.10 wasn't too expensive for a pub price bottle. Of course its ridiculous, but I've often seen them €5.50 - €5.80 and that's not just in Dublin. I was charged €6.70 for a Corona in particular Harcourt St. establishment a few weeks ago. Told her to take it back and left because that's just outrageous.

Beefy78 · 31-07-2013 09:42AM

kylith wrote: »

You're right, it's not the same. In my house:
The beer is cheaper
My favourite beer is always available
Food is served at any time
There's no cue for the toilet
The toilet is sanitary
The music is at a volume at which conversation can be had
I am guaranteed to get a seat
If I don't like what's on the telly I can change it
No-one minds if I doze off in a corner
The smoking area is wherever I want it to be
I don't have to cue up for a taxi to get home

Would I be right in thinking that you're quite young and therefore equate drinking at home to pre-drinking or a session? After a while you're not so worried about having a mad night, and you just want a nice pint somewhere you can relax, and you can't relax in the majority of pubs.

I'm not sure you should be making assumptions about other people. We're all different.

Personally I'm past the pub thing but would very rarely be inclined to drink at home unless I'm hosting some sort of social gathering. There are nicer, and cheaper, drinks to drink in that environment, IMO.

rubadub · 31-07-2013 09:57AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Anyone that would hand over €8.60 for a bottle of cider would want their head examined.

The €8.60 bulmers pint bottle equates to €5 for 330ml, a price loads of people pay for longnecks of beer, let alone bulmers which is usually more expensive in off licences. Many seem blind to this.

The existance of bulmers pint bottles alongside bulmers longnecks seems to leave some publicans confused about how much to screw the customer, they know that many people pay really high prices for longnecks, so the pint bottle goes in line with those outrageous prices per ml. The beers which are only stocked in 500ml tend to be far more reasonable relative to off licence prices.

It cannot even be compared to restaurants, people might go to a restaurant and get a steak knowing it will be done better than they can ever do at home themselves, so there is added value in the form of skill, besides surroundings etc. There is zero skill in opening a bottle or this poor quality cider.

A centra near me does heineken 20 for €15, 75cent a bottle, there is no way a convenience store engages in the below/at cost selling model for beer which presumes/hopes for a weekly shop. It can be €5.50 in city centre pubs for this, 7.3 times the price, my mate is a barman and the owner buys lots of beer in supermarkets (which is perfectly legal). A small tub of pringles is €1.19 in tesco, so working on the same 7.3 times it would be €8.73 for the small tub.

Banjo String · 31-07-2013 10:00AM

MadsL wrote: »

3:1 is normal, 4:1 if the bar is doing a good trade.

I work off 25-35% personally. I can only dream of those Mark ups. ...

desertcircus · 31-07-2013 10:15AM

EricPraline wrote: »

Unfortunately this isn't even the case. It's one thing having tourist trap pubs in Temple Bar charging exorbitant prices, or city centre pubs arguing that they have to charge high prices to meet rental payments.

But something that's frankly bizarre about Irish cities, compared to cities on the continent, is that bars and restaurants in residential suburban areas often charge equivalent prices to those located in central locations. If anything, lack of competition in some areas leads to even higher prices.

Driving to outer Dublin is no guarantee of a cheap pint or soft drink, especially in many South Dublin suburbs.

This is something I just don't understand about the pub trade in Ireland. Everywhere else in the world I've been has had a significant difference in price for a pint depending on where you're drinking. In New York, a pint of Paulaner was nine dollars on Broadway and four something in Queens. Here, it's 5.80 in the middle of Dublin and a fiver in the middle of nowhere.

Beefy78 · 31-07-2013 10:26AM

desertcircus wrote: »

This is something I just don't understand about the pub trade in Ireland. Everywhere else in the world I've been has had a significant difference in price for a pint depending on where you're drinking. In New York, a pint of Paulaner was nine dollars on Broadway and four something in Queens. Here, it's 5.80 in the middle of Dublin and a fiver in the middle of nowhere.

Yeah I agree with that. I actually think that top-end beer prices in Dublin are not out of place with most Western European capital cities and actually are lower than several. But I'm out in London next week and whilst I'll probably buy a couple of pints for a lot more than they'd cost over here (meeting friends at the Tattershall Castle at Embankment where a pint is close to £6) I can also find a lot of places both in the centre of town and further out where I'll have no problem getting a pint for £2.50.

Dublin doesn't have anything like that range. A few random places for €4 but that's it. And if you dare to deviate from pints then it's just massively expensive.

Banjo String · 31-07-2013 10:29AM

Beefy78 wrote: »

Yeah I agree with that. I actually think that top-end beer prices in Dublin are not out of place with most Western European capital cities and actually are lower than several. But I'm out in London next week and whilst I'll probably buy a couple of pints for a lot more than they'd cost over here (meeting friends at the Tattershall Castle at Embankment where a pint is close to £6) I can also find a lot of places both in the centre of town and further out where I'll have no problem getting a pint for £2.50.

Dublin doesn't have anything like that range. A few random places for €4 but that's it. And if you dare to deviate from pints then it's just massively expensive.

Don't forget the designated driver in your round either.

His pint of coke €5 vs your heino at €4.90......

That one always riles me up.

31-07-2013 10:37AM

kylith wrote: »

You're right, it's not the same. In my house:
The beer is cheaper
My favourite beer is always available
Food is served at any time
There's no cue for the toilet
The toilet is sanitary
The music is at a volume at which conversation can be had
I am guaranteed to get a seat
If I don't like what's on the telly I can change it
No-one minds if I doze off in a corner
The smoking area is wherever I want it to be
I don't have to cue up for a taxi to get home

Would I be right in thinking that you're quite young and therefore equate drinking at home to pre-drinking or a session? After a while you're not so worried about having a mad night, and you just want a nice pint somewhere you can relax, and you can't relax in the majority of pubs.

Depends on your definition of quite young, I'm 28.

I do drink in the house quite a bit if I'm not having a night out as such. If its just a few cans watching telly or a match etc. I would still drop into the pub too sometimes for this sort of 2 or 3 drinks type thing also though.

However I was more talking about replacing full on nights out in the pub with nights at home. i.e. having sessions at home. For me you can't beat the atmosphere and craic in the pub and you cant beat draught pints either.

The beer is cheaper: no denying this

My favourite beer is always available: mine aren't, Guinness or smithwicks on tap.

Food is served at any time: I prefer to eat before and after drinking not during it

There's no cue for the toilet: there very rarely is for the men's anyway

The toilet is sanitary: doesn't really bother mr unless is very very bad

The music is at a volume at which conversation can be had: except when I'm at home in the country or at one particular friends house I can't have the music loud enough for my liking without having the neighbours around complaining

I am guaranteed to get a seat: if you are out early enough you will always get one and I would be too bothered late in the night

If I don't like what's on the telly I can change it: not really a big deal at night, except maybe if I'm following golf and most places will put it on

No-one minds if I doze off in a corner: neither do some pubs but that's not something I tend to want to do

The smoking area is wherever I want it to be:don't smoke so don't care

I don't have to cue up for a taxi to get home: mostly I can walk either home or to a friends and I never queue when I get a taxi just flag one down.

the_syco · 31-07-2013 05:47PM

Stephen Fast Missile wrote: »

I don't think the trade is dying and certainly not in city centres. I'm out in pubs eveyweek and not only are weekends busy but Thursday nights are also very busy.

A couple of pubs have closed down, and the same samey pubs are left. Few of them will try anything new, as change is risky. It also means if their business is bad, they'll blame anything but their own business model.

Stephen Fast Missile wrote: »

Personally I don't think you can beat pubs.

Depends on what you're up to. If chasing tail, your local meat market nightclub is the place to be. You just won't be able to talk as the music is very loud, and it's harder to grind, as the slow sets seem to be a thing of the past.

Stephen Fast Missile wrote: »

I can't understand people converting their entire social life from the pub to drinking in houses.

If you want to talk to friends, nothing beats talking calmly in a house to them. As opposed to yelling at each other over the music. There is a few pubs where there is no music, but they end up being packed, and you're talking over other people talking loudly.

Stephen Fast Missile wrote: »

Drinking in the house is fine once in a while or for a few before heading out but it's just not the same as pubs and clubs.

IMO, drinking at home is better than drinking in the pubs, as it's cheaper, easier to talk, and less chance of some meeting some jackass that you avoid.

I've striked out the clubs, as clubs are mainly used to hook up with whatever sex you're into for dating/sex/relationship/etc outside your circle of mates.

/edit;

SamHall wrote: »

Don't forget the designated driver in your round either.

His pint of coke €5 vs your heino at €4.90......

That one always riles me up.

Stupid driver. Sounds like they're getting bottles. Tell him to ask for coke from the gun machine, and you'll get a pint for €2.80 in most establishments.

Muahahaha · 11-05-2014 12:41PM

Here we go again, now they're trying to stop other businesses selling alcohol for whatever price they like

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/pub-lobby-wants-government-action-on-cheap-alcohol-sales-30263363.html

shruikan2553 · 11-05-2014 12:44PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Here we go again, now they're trying to stop other businesses selling alcohol for whatever price they like

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/pub-lobby-wants-government-action-on-cheap-alcohol-sales-30263363.html

Why is it they always claim they are selling it below cost and yet never give numbers. I suppose they would also be happy for a maximum price on soft drinks? To help promote people drinking less of course.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 11-05-2014 12:45PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Except banks, insurance, farms, airlines, and so on.
Despite having slightly socialist leanings myself, i think large swathes of this country could do with a good hard dose of capitalism - it's called fúcking reality people - if the shít you peddle offers little or no value to consumers they won't want to buy it. Governments should have more backbone than to bend to the whims of these fúckwits - adapt or die end of story.

We need a Mags Thatcher so

mikeym · 11-05-2014 12:50PM

The pubs that are struggling need to up their game.

Introduce a happy hour or have cheap pints during big matches such as 6 Nations Rugby games or Premiership Matches.

Theres a pub in my hometown and the tv's picture quality is pure muck.

If you dont invest in good tv's for your pub your obviously not bothered about your customers.

11-05-2014 12:51PM

LOL, now they're claiming the the reason they want off-sale prices increased is so supermarkets can/will lower food prices. Christ they're funny.:rolleyes:

hatrickpatrick · 11-05-2014 12:58PM

This sh!te again? God almighty.
Was in the Pavillion bar in Trinity with some friends a few days ago, not bad deals there - €3.80 for a pint of Bulmers. for example.

Pubs simply need to learn that the days of people happily paying €5.50 for a pint aren't coming back. Quit b!tching and learn to compete.

I never thought I'd be saying this, but thank f*ck for EU Law...

Publicans want 15% levy on off licence sales....

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