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Taming the marathon beast...
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Yup! Had stomach issues (gels....never again!) and went out too fast and swore blind over the last few miles I'd never ever do it again..........but knew I wanted to do another one by the next morning.
Had to move in January and my job was unstable so that put paid to any ideas of a spring marathon. Settling in now and I start my new job in August so time to start planning.
Have slowly built my mileage back up to 25-35 miles per week and I'm tolerating it well so I should be starting off a better base this time around.
Who am I kidding....I've obviously been thinking about this way more than I'll admit and will most probably do Dublin unless I decide to do one sooner!!!
Haven't followed a plan for Limerick so god knows how it will go but will be a nice tester of the fitness if nothing else. Bet you're glad you asked that short question now??? Do you want more detail.....my favourite colour? No?
Sounds like you'll be doing DCM this year alright and with a great base behind you. I'm sure you'll run well in Limerick
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April summary
This has to be the log for 'how little training can you run a marathon on"
77 miles for April includes a very low mileage taper, London marathon, a week off and a very slow building of miles back up.
Miles for the year: 398 so just about on track for 1000 miles for the year, hopefully that'll be more like 1200 though.
Chest problems flaring up again this week but still running a bit...3.4m Tues, 3.4m Thur - 6am running which is absolute bliss
Walking the dog 3 miles on non running mornings, can't get enough of these early starts 
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Sat 6.4m LSR - really really wanted to go further, gorgeous morning for running, I miss the really long runs!
Sun - 3.3m recovery - 6am misty, serene plod through the trails
Marathon recovery done. Now gonna start Hal Higdon intermediate HM training plan which will bring me up to Cookstown half on 27th July. Will just add a couple of miles to the long runs and maybe stretch out the easy runs a tad. Have earmarked 2 10k's in June (may only end up doing one) and will probably do a parkrun in 3 weeks or so to see where I'm at.
Nice easy week ahead to start things off:
Tue - 3m
Wed - 5 x 400m
Thu - 3m
Sat - 3m
Sun - 7m LSR
This is a fresh start for me. Plan is to more or less start over, follow a proper plan and get properly healthy and fit again.
Saw a new consultant yesterday (have been waiting to see him for 3 months) and basically discovered that I've been barking up the wrong tree in terms of my ongoing health issues. Not going in to detail on a public forum, but finally think I'm now on the right path and have been properly diagnosed (the guy is a marathon runner and seems to know his stuff).
Treatment - medication initially to treat the symptoms. Hate taking medication but without a short term intervention I will just continue getting sick
Diet - have cleaned up my diet recently anyway so will continue with that - no dairy or gluten
Exercise - moderate exercise but not overcooking things - the plan above is certainly in that camp
Let's see how it goes
Now a question about the 400s - plan doesn't say what recovery, would 90 second walk/jog recovery between reps be about right?0 -
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Sat 6.4m LSR - really really wanted to go further, gorgeous morning for running, I miss the really long runs!
Sun - 3.3m recovery - 6am misty, serene plod through the trails
Marathon recovery done. Now gonna start Hal Higdon intermediate HM training plan which will bring me up to Cookstown half on 27th July. Will just add a couple of miles to the long runs and maybe stretch out the easy runs a tad. Have earmarked 2 10k's in June (may only end up doing one) and will probably do a parkrun in 3 weeks or so to see where I'm at.
Nice easy week ahead to start things off:
Tue - 3m
Wed - 5 x 400m
Thu - 3m
Sat - 3m
Sun - 7m LSR
This is a fresh start for me. Plan is to more or less start over, follow a proper plan and get properly healthy and fit again.
Saw a new consultant yesterday (have been waiting to see him for 3 months) and basically discovered that I've been barking up the wrong tree in terms of my ongoing health issues. Not going in to detail on a public forum, but finally think I'm now on the right path and have been properly diagnosed (the guy is a marathon runner and seems to know his stuff).
Treatment - medication initially to treat the symptoms. Hate taking medication but without a short term intervention I will just continue getting sick
Diet - have cleaned up my diet recently anyway so will continue with that - no dairy or gluten
Exercise - moderate exercise but not overcooking things - the plan above is certainly in that camp
Let's see how it goes
Now a question about the 400s - plan doesn't say what recovery, would 90 second walk/jog recovery between reps be about right?
Best of luck with the plan Runchick. For the 400s it seems to vary from plan to plan. I have done them before with a 200m jog recovery or a 60 second standing recovery.0 -
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Best of luck with the plan Runchick. For the 400s it seems to vary from plan to plan. I have done them before with a 200m jog recovery or a 60 second standing recovery.Pacing Mule wrote: »Our club session has it as a 200m light jog / brisk walk.
Thanks guys, 200m jog it is 0 -
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Nice one A - best of luck with the new medical regime. And with the training plan - HHN2 is definitely enough to get you in sub-4 shape, all going well with everything else, especially if you mix it up with a midweek session as you seem to be doing already.Good luck with the fresh approach in all areas RC. I really hope this works out well for you. You deserve a bit of good fortune.SamforMayo wrote: »Best of luck with the plans, hope you are fighting fit soon.New runner wrote: »Glad hear u getting sorted RC, hope that sorts u out at last, all the very best x
Thanks guys, on the right track now at last 0 -
Tues - 3.4 miles easy
Wed - 4.6 miles including 5 x 400m intervals. Did this on a country road first thing, using hedges as markers. Opted for 1 min standing recovery. Was clueless about what pace to run at so just ran at a pace I thought I could hold for the 5 reps.
Splits: 1.45, 1.45, 1.43, 1.50, 1.45. I mentally gave up half way through the 4th one and slowed down, gave myself a good talking to for the last one and got through stronger. Tired at the end but delighted as I haven't ran faster than 9min/m since January :eek: There's no way this is my 5k pace though - I wish, so probably too fast but really enjoyed these.
Thur - 3.4 miles easy
Sat - 3.4 miles easy. I've had a tightness in my right quad since London but it became more noticeable during this run. Its exactly the same feeling and in the same place as where I had a slight tear last summer. Back then the physio said no running for a week and plenty of RICE so I'm going with that again, hopefully it does the trick.
Sun - 70min spin - replaced my 70 min planned run with a 70 min spin on the bike. Nice morning for it, would prefer to be running but enjoyable enough wee jaunt. About 15.5 miles.
I took the kids to the start of the Giro in Friday and was in absolute awe of those guys. What a spectacular event, couldn't believe it was in Belfast!
The week ahead will depend on the quad. Will probably stick to the bike during the week and hopefully a run next weekend.
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Nice 400s! Did some of these myself this week at about the same pace. Smart thinking with the quads, especially as you are still in recovery mode - why risk it.
Saw the bikes myself today in Dublin, 5k from the finish. Speed was very impressive!
Cheers D you're sauntering along nicely yourself Yep not risking anything with the quad - first time I haven't been marathon training in a long time - nice and relaxed approach all the way :cool:
The bikes absolutely rocked - seeing the best of the best in action in any sport is always impressive 0 -
Played it safe this week, replacing a few runs with the bike:
Tues - 11m bike ride in 45 mins or so
Wed - 17m bike ride, pushed harder than day before an pushed it up the hills, surprised to be able to get hr up on the bike as much
Thu - quad felt perfect so risked a wee plod, 3.4m slow run - no niggle, happy days
Sat - 3.4m easy run mostly on grass
Sun - 8.2m LSR, longest run since London, was absolutely fine until last mile when hip got a bit uncomfortable, body is really telling me what its ready for :rolleyes:
Plan for the week ahead has 6 x 400m on Wed and a 5k race next weekend. I'll see how the hip goes but will take things easy, may replace Wed intervals with a progression run and push the 5k race another week out, or longer if body tells me to! Might replace Tues run with the bike again.0 -
Played it safe this week, replacing a few runs with the bike:
Tues - 11m bike ride in 45 mins or so
Wed - 17m bike ride, pushed harder than day before an pushed it up the hills, surprised to be able to get hr up on the bike as much
Thu - quad felt perfect so risked a wee plod, 3.4m slow run - no niggle, happy days
Sat - 3.4m easy run mostly on grass
Sun - 8.2m LSR, longest run since London, was absolutely fine until last mile when hip got a bit uncomfortable, body is really telling me what its ready for :rolleyes:
Plan for the week ahead has 6 x 400m on Wed and a 5k race next weekend. I'll see how the hip goes but will take things easy, may replace Wed intervals with a progression run and push the 5k race another week out, or longer if body tells me to! Might replace Tues run with the bike again.
You should invest in a garmin cadence sensor, you'll pick one up on eBay for 35 or so. It's an easy way to ensure your keeping effort levels high during your spin.0 -
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Had planned a bike ride on Tues but life got in the way and it didn't happen, wasn't too bothered as it gave hip a bit of a rest.
Wed - plan was for a 35 min tempo run so thought I'd go out easy and see how the hip felt. Planned paces for 4 miles 10, 9 , 8 , 10 - picking up the speed throughout the first 3 miles. This is how a tempo is done, right? Anyway in first mile I noticed I could only feel the hip when I lengthened my stride so kept the stride short and that seemed to do the trick.
Spilts 9.38, 8.33, 7.56, 9.39, 9.42 (0.7). 4.7 miles covered. The third mile was mostly uphill so I was working a lot harder than I would like, having to sprint the last 100metres or so to dip in under 8 min/m pace. Enjoyed this session, think its the first time I've done this type of run properly. Was more tiring than expected so a good workout I guess.
Thu - 3.4m easy and 1 hour pilates.
Fri - don't normally run on Fridays but felt good and had the chance to get out early in the morning which I hadn't had all week so went for 3.2 easy miles.
Sat - 9.1m LSR - longest run since London, very enjoyable but was pretty tired after and had to take a nap before going to work
Sun - 3.4m recovery - nice easy plod mostly on grass.
Not a bad week but the tempo run really made me think about where I'm at in terms of racing. I really have lost speed (very loose use of the term!) over the last year and am realising that its gonna take a fair amount of work to get it back. In 2 minds whether to just train over the summer and target races in Sept/ Oct or to race through the summer as planned, even if the results are disappointing. I wonder if racing 5 and 10k's will bring me on more than training with alternating intervals and tempo runs along with easy running?
Have almost certainly canned the idea of a July half too, will do one in September instead.0 -
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Weekly update time
Tues - 4m easy
Wed - 5m including 6x400s - decided that I ran these too fast last time (1.45ish) and as they're supposed to be 5k pace (much slower) I'd not push as hard. Ran to feel and felt more comfortable than last time although just as tired at the end, splits 1.46, 1.44, 1.46, 1.43, 1.44, 1.48 so not any different to last time - just a different mental attitude - this running lark's all in yer head
Thur - 3.8m recovery mostly on grass
Sat - 4m easy - well supposed to be easy but pushed the middle 2 miles as was feeling good.
Sun - 10.2m LSR - slow early morning run, longest in a while.
May - ran 83 miles with a week on the bike so not too bad.
Will take a step back week now and then push on from there, keeping the LSR in double digits and get up to a regular 30-40mpw over summer.
Its a flippin joy to be running at this time of year, I'm grateful that I'm healthy enough and to be honest am starting to feel strong and in control again, slowly building things seems to be working 0 -
Update...
Last week - supposed to be stepback week anyway but only ran once. Went out on Wed to do a progression run, easy few miles then started picking the pace up, getting under 8 min/m was torturous so after 5 miles and pace down to around 7.45 I just stopped dead and walked home
Just gave up, felt spent and tbh couldn't be bothered. Didn't run again the rest of the week, very busy with other stuff and needed the break.
This week -
Mon - 4.5m easy
Tues - 5m including 7 x 400s (1.51, 1.47, 1.46, 1.50, 1.45, 1.49, 1.48). These were bloody hard. I knew they were slower that last time but effort was high.
Thur - 4m recovery - pace was v slow but HR high, cr@p.
So not a great week. It is no coincidence that I'm struggling again after stopping the medication that was supposed to "fix" me. All it did was mask things - throat and chest are sore again as soon as I stopped taking it:( Back to the drawing board and on to the next medical solution. Had been hopeful as was feeling great. Where does this leave running? Back to slow plodding/ no sessions and probably cut back to 4 days a week.
I have been overtrained for the past year. High miles coupled with stressful life stuff (stuff that doesn't get a look in here - this is a happy place :P) have taken their toll and I've found my limits.
Might not post as much but I'll keep plodding away. Ultimately for me its all about 2015. I hit a milestone birthday then and instead of moaning about getting old I fully intend to be faster and fitter than I ever have been. If I have to plod about until my body is ready for that then that's what I'll do.
I mightn't post as much but I'll still be lurking. Boards is a hoot - I get a good laugh from all the fast boys and the school-boy whos faster than who stuff! And of course all the advice and support and seeing folk progress and reach their targets, sure where else would ya get it
Also I'd be really interested to hear from anyone who has been in my situation and has made a successful comeback...(please tell me it happens :eek:)0 -
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Deedee2012 wrote: »Sorry to hear things not going so good, better to pull back if you're not fighting fit. Look forward to the hyper speedy you in 2015!!
Thanks Deedee, how are you getting on?Sounds like things are a little low right now but no doubt will improve with time. Hang in there and don't feel you have to be on a marathon track to contribute. Look after yourself.
Cheers Murph, yep hoping things pick up eventually 0 -
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You love running and you're a hard worker. Of course you'll be back, fitter and faster when life lets you. Just listen to your body telling you when enough is enough until it's ready for more.
Btw all the cool people will be planning milestone birthday events in 2015 Certain multi-sport events balance out the training and many find it to be more enjoyable than one sport alone... 0
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