Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

Boombastic · 10-05-2014 12:35PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

The pregnancy can lead to complications and health issues that last for life. Are you saying that a woman should remain pregnant because someone else wants her to be?

she has the right not to get pregnant

she should remain pregnant because she is pregnant, nothing to do with remaining pregnant because anyone wants her to be.

Life should not be so disposable because it doesn't suit her. Actions have consequences.

The lack of compassion and tough sh1t attitude towards men's mental health is worrying especially when womens mental health its justification for abortion.

It's messy, but abortion on demand because I want one is not the way to go

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 10-05-2014 12:39PM

Muise... wrote: »

Actually, I was implying that women sometimes put themselves first, and that this seems to be a sore point with you.

"Sometimes" put themselves first?

You're a good laugh, Musie - I'll give you that.

No, not a sore point. Just that I see men and women as being both equally as capable as selfishness and selflessness, seems you don't. You have some bizarre opinion that women can do know wrong and would never have a narcissistic thought in their head. Have you watched the video in the OP?

The issue can be discussed by everyone online but when it comes down to each abortion - the man can speak..

Oh thank you for giving us permission to speak.

..and I hope he actually listens too, but he cannot make the decision.

Men will not be allowed to vote in any future referendum on abortion?

Sorry if that bothers you so much.

I think men are big boys, and well able to cope if their partner needs an abortion and they don't want that. Life sucks sometimes.

Men are not "big boys"? One wonders how you would react if a man said women were "big girls".

Nah, we are adult men, not "big boys" or " the menz" and we have just as much at stake in this debate as women do. About time you realised that.

shruikan2553 · 10-05-2014 12:44PM

Boombastic wrote: »

she has the right not to get pregnant

she should remain pregnant because she is pregnant, nothing to do with remaining pregnant because anyone wants her to be.

Life should not be so disposable because it doesn't suit her. Actions have consequences.

The lack of compassion and tough sh1t attitude towards men's mental health is worrying especially when womens mental health its justification for abortion.

It's messy, but abortion on demand because I want one is not the way to go

Bit hypocritical to complain about attitudes towards men's health when you support forcing women to remain pregnant. If you get injured outside tomorrow is it your fault for leaving the house and you don't think you should get medical treatment?

Muise... · 10-05-2014 12:44PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

"Sometimes" put themselves first?

You're a good laugh, Musie - I'll give you that.

No, not a sore point. Just that I see men and women as being both equally as capable as selfishness and selflessness, seems you don't. You have some bizarre opinion that women can do know wrong and never have a narcissistic thought in their head. Have you seen the video in the OP?

Oh thank you for giving us permission to speak.

You hear that folks. Men will not be allowed to vote in any future referendum on abortion. You heard it here first.

Men are not "big boys"? One wonders how you would react if a man said women were "big girls".

Nah, we are adult men, not "big boys" or " the menz" and we have just as much at stake in this debate as women do. About time you realised that.

Nah, I have the bizarre idea that women should be allowed to decide on what happens to their own bodies.

You can vote all you like in referenda, you cannot stop a woman from having an abortion.

You do NOT have as much at stake in this debate. That is absurd and kind of scary - do you think you should be able to stop a woman from having an abortion because of your feelings? We are big girls and you do not own us.

ryan101 · 10-05-2014 12:47PM

Muise... wrote: »

Nah, I have the bizarre idea that women should be allowed to decide on what happens to their own bodies.

And anti-abortion people have this bizarre idea that you don't have the right to kill another human being

Muise... wrote: »

Nah
You can vote all you like in referenda, you cannot stop a woman from having an abortion.

You can't stop people from killing other people

Muise... · 10-05-2014 12:50PM

ryan101 wrote: »

And anti-abortion people have this bizarre idea that you don't have the right to kill another human being

You can't stop people from killing other people

If you're going to argue, it's self-defeating to use terms the pro-choice side utterly - and rationally - reject.

Penny Tration · 10-05-2014 12:51PM

ryan101 wrote: »

And anti-abortion people have this bizarre idea that you don't have the right to kill another human being

You can't stop people from killing other people

This is where the debate will never end.

Most pro choice people do not consider a foetus to be a person/child/baby until a certain point.

Most pro life people consider it to be a person/child/baby from the moment of conception.

We'll never agree on that one.

'killing other people' is a bit dramatic, though.

Grayson · 10-05-2014 12:52PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Good because it's not.

How is it not ok. Up until it can survive without a mother abortions are all the same from a moral viewpoint.

What moral view point? is this catholic theology? I'd just like to know the reference point.

Survival isn't the question. A baby can't survive without help. Sick people can't survive. the question is not and never has been survival

the question is whether or not a human life is present.

Like i said, if you have a person who is brain dead, lets say their brain has nearly completely been destroyed and there's no consciousness at all, is taking them off medical support murder? Most people say no.

It's the same with a foetus. there is a huge difference between 8.5 months and 2 weeks. at 8.5 months there is an actual brain and neural activity, at 2 weeks it's a cluster of cells.

steddyeddy · 10-05-2014 12:52PM

Right I have to work but I think the point of the video was left behind pages ago. I'll just some up my view points.

I am pro life. There are too many incidents and scenarios that may occur in which pregnancy would be a nightmare for the parent and for the child to not allow the option.

However I don't think abortion is a happy thing nor should it be trivialised like the person in this video did. As I said I am pro choice and I even helped a young lady in trouble get to England. Saying that I cannot stand the twisting of facts to make it more in line with ones beliefs.

It is the taking of a life. There is debate as to whether a virus is a alive but there is absolutely no way a foetus isn't alive. Morally speaking abortions which occur late or early (As long as the foetus cannot survive without the mother) are the same. Neither will become a baby outside the womb. Saying that it's the price we have to pay by allowing abortion to occur for those who need it.

The other thing I have to say is that opinions need to be respected. Abortion affects society so the opinion of society has to be taken into account. Ie I am pro choice but I absolutely have to respect the opinions of people who think it's wrong. It's a decision that affects society and all sides need to be considered.

The problem I have with this video is that she seems to enjoy it. It's not the fact that a life has been taken it's the psychology of the person in the video that's disturbing to me.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 10-05-2014 12:53PM

Muise... wrote: »

Nah, I have the bizarre idea that women should be allowed to decide on what happens to their own bodies.

As I keep saying. I don't have a problem what a woman does with her body. My issues are what she does with the unborn's.

You can vote all you like in referenda, you cannot stop a woman from having an abortion.

No, that's true but we can make it illegal past a certain stage of gestation. Personally I have no problem with first trimester abortions.

You do NOT have as much at stake in this debate. That is absurd and kind of scary..

Really? Other than physical, do you not think that men's lives are affected by the birth of a child in much the same ways as a woman's is? Do you not think that if a couple decide not to have a child, that the man might be just as, if not more, devastated by the decision? Do you think men are robots or something, Muise?

do you think you should be able to stop a woman from having an abortion because of your feelings?

I think second trimester abortions should be illegal. You can never stop people from catching a ferry I suppose though.

ryan101 · 10-05-2014 12:53PM

Muise... wrote: »

If you're going to argue, it's self-defeating to use terms the pro-choice side utterly - and rationally - reject.

I get it, I should get on board with using new speak terms like "terminating a parasite that has no rights"

steddyeddy · 10-05-2014 12:53PM

Grayson wrote: »

What moral view point? is this catholic theology? I'd just like to know the reference point.

Survival isn't the question. A baby can't survive without help. Sick people can't survive. the question is not and never has been survival

the question is whether or not a human life is present.

Like i said, if you have a person who is brain dead, lets say their brain has nearly completely been destroyed and there's no consciousness at all, is taking them off medical support murder? Most people say no.

It's the same with a foetus. there is a huge difference between 8.5 months and 2 weeks. at 8.5 months there is an actual brain and neural activity, at 2 weeks it's a cluster of cells.

Grayson considering you labelled me a troll I don't think debate would be worth my time. My points are highlighted above.

steddyeddy · 10-05-2014 12:55PM

How about either side agree not to use the word parasite or parasitic? All it does is bring emotion to the thread.

ryan101 · 10-05-2014 12:56PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

How about either side agree not to use the word parasite or parasitic? All it does is bring emotion to the thread.

It is more useful not to have any emotion when killing.

steddyeddy · 10-05-2014 12:58PM

ryan101 wrote: »

It is more useful not to have any emotion when killing.

Probably yes.

Carlos Orange · 10-05-2014 12:58PM

Grayson wrote: »

fathers rights when it comes to abortion are an issue only if we agree that the woman has a right to a termination.

If you think mothers have unilateral rights to an abortion fatherhood is kinda a defunct institution.

Grayson · 10-05-2014 12:59PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Grayson considering you labelled me a troll I don't think debate would be worth my time. My points are highlighted above.

Considering you respond to posts with "IT'S A PARASITE!", I think I'm allowed label you a troll.

But thanks for taking the time not to respond to my points.

Grayson · 10-05-2014 12:59PM

psinno wrote: »

If you think mothers have unilateral rights to an abortion fatherhood is kinda a defunct institution.

why?

Muise... · 10-05-2014 01:02PM

psinno wrote: »

If you think mothers have unilateral rights to an abortion fatherhood is kinda a defunct institution.

How do you work that out? Fatherhood has to be dependent on the consent of women. Otherwise... bit rapey, no?

Billions and billions of men have become fathers, and men will continue to do so till something destroys our species. But that something will not be abortion rights. Fatherhood is not defunct.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 10-05-2014 01:06PM

Muise... wrote: »

Billions and billions of men have become fathers, and men will continue to do so till something destroys our species. But that something will not be abortion rights. Fatherhood is not defunct.

They meant in the context of the debate, not as a bloody concept.

Good grief.

Boombastic · 10-05-2014 01:08PM

Muise... wrote: »

How do you work that out? Fatherhood has to be dependent on the consent of women. Otherwise... bit rapey, no?

Billions and billions of men have become fathers, and men will continue to do so till something destroys our species. But that something will not be abortion rights. Fatherhood is not defunct.

if the father doesn't agree with the woman, its a bit rapey?

wtf?

Penny Tration · 10-05-2014 01:09PM

Boombastic wrote: »

if the father doesn't agree with the woman, its a bit rapey?

wtf?

Have to agree with Boombastic on this.

It's absolutely not like rape.

Muise... · 10-05-2014 01:09PM

Boombastic wrote: »

if the father doesn't agree with the woman, its a bit rapey?

wtf?

If the man prevents her from having an abortion because his "fatherhood" is more important than her bodily integrity, then I consider that a violation.

I meant forced impregnation, because fatherhood IS dependent on the woman agreeing to the whole business from the start, btw.

Boombastic · 10-05-2014 01:10PM

Muise... wrote: »

If the man prevents her from having an abortion because his "fatherhood" is more important than her bodily integrity, then yes.

no, no no, then no

Muise... · 10-05-2014 01:11PM

Boombastic wrote: »

no, no no, then no

no no limits we'll reach for the sky!

Boombastic · 10-05-2014 01:15PM

Muise... wrote: »

I meant forced impregnation, because fatherhood IS dependent on the woman agreeing to the whole business from the start, btw.

but that's not what's happening here

the women did agree at the start

_Redzer_ · 10-05-2014 01:17PM

So if the mother doesn't want to have the child and the father does, do you think it's a compromise that she has it and gives it to him? Erm, no.

I'm a man, but if I were a woman and didn't want to have the child for a multitude of reasons, no way would I put myself through all of that just to give it up.

I do believe a man has his right to voice his opinion and make his views known to her, but at the end of the day, she's the one that has to go through with it. He just stands along beside her. The woman has the majority vote on this.

shruikan2553 · 10-05-2014 01:18PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

How about either side agree not to use the word parasite or parasitic? All it does is bring emotion to the thread.

We should add killing and murder to that list.

Carlos Orange · 10-05-2014 01:18PM

Muise... wrote: »

I meant forced impregnation, because fatherhood IS dependent on the woman agreeing to the whole business from the start, btw.

It is dependent on a mutual act.

Muise... · 10-05-2014 01:19PM

psinno wrote: »

It is dependent on a mutual act.

Agreed. Unfortunately, pregnancy is not shared physically by the father.

Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

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