Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

Muise... · 10-05-2014 11:56AM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

I mention the father and you post that rubbish?

As I said: it's not being used as a "technical/descriptive term".

Read my post again. I point out precisely why.

Muise, your attitude says it all.

Here you are in a debate and all you can do when someone makes a valid point is play to the gallery and imply that the person that made it, feels that women who have abortions as "selfish bitches". Classic deflection of course and saves you having to make a worthy retort. Perhaps you can't.

"Bite me"? Really? Grow up.

OK so, here it is in full: Did you once have a girlfriend who didn't put you first at all times? Do you think the accounts you read here from women who have had abortions, or who know they cannot have children, do not involve their partners?

When the subject of discussion is women, and when women are the agents of the subject of discussion, do you not think bringing up the fathers (as if we deliberately excluded them) is a bit whiney and what about teh menz?

Penny Tration · 10-05-2014 11:56AM

Boombastic wrote: »

you have no right to judge her even if you are the father of the child

kill a baby in the am
lunch in the pm
that's the modern world

Yes, because abortion is just a routine, every day thing.

Go out in the morning, kill a child, have lunch, maybe a bit of shopping because hey, you won't need maternity clothing, followed by dinner and drinks.

Absolutely no remorse, sadness, upset. Just pure and utter detachment.

Boombastic · 10-05-2014 11:56AM

Grayson wrote: »

You said that any woman who has a termination was a psychopath.

I think my question was

is a person who detatches emotion from murder called a psychopath?

your linking it to all women who have terminations not me

you could have just answered the question instead of trying to twist it

Boombastic · 10-05-2014 11:59AM

green_screen wrote: »

Yes, because abortion is just a routine, every day thing.

Go out in the morning, kill a child, have lunch, maybe a bit of shopping because hey, you won't need maternity clothing, followed by dinner and drinks.

Absolutely no remorse, sadness, upset. Just pure and utter detachment.

but isn't that exactly what this women is portraying in her video?

Penny Tration · 10-05-2014 12:00PM

Boombastic wrote: »

but isn't that exactly what this women is portraying in her video?

One woman. One who the majority agree sounds like an attention seeking so and so. It's far from the view that the majority of pro choice people have.

Muise... · 10-05-2014 12:01PM

Boombastic wrote: »

but isn't that exactly what this women is portraying in her video?

1. lots of pro-choice people disagree with her making that video, and the tone she takes.

2. She's trying to show that it is nothing to be afraid or ashamed of. Not that it's full of cocktails and lulz.

shruikan2553 · 10-05-2014 12:04PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

I mention the father and you post that rubbish?

Well what else is an option? The father can disagree but we're still back to a person being permanently affected. I'm sure you have a better idea?

ryan101 · 10-05-2014 12:05PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Well what else is an option? The father can disagree but we're still back to a person being permanently affected.

i.e. the Child

qdawg86 · 10-05-2014 12:05PM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Honestly, that videos almost enough to make me turn pro-life.

I believe a woman shouldn't be ashamed to get an abortion, and should be allowed if she wants. But, realising it as if it's some kind of fan/political video is a tad dodgy.

It's honestly quite hard not to imagine that that fetus couldn't turn into a life in the future.

I am pro-choice, but I can kind of see why the pro-lifers get so enraged at these sort of stunts.

:rolleyes:

Muise... · 10-05-2014 12:06PM

ryan101 wrote: »

i.e. the Child

the child does not yet exist.

shruikan2553 · 10-05-2014 12:06PM

ryan101 wrote: »

i.e. the Child

The woman doesn't matter?

Boombastic · 10-05-2014 12:08PM

Muise... wrote: »

1. lots of pro-choice people disagree with her making that video, and the tone she takes.

2. She's trying to show that it is nothing to be afraid or ashamed of. Not that it's full of cocktails and lulz.

Muise, i'll give you an A for Amusing me (see what I did there

)

wheren't you the very one who had been reading about this on feminist sites and were the first in to applaud her and hail this as the progressive modern world? You certainly don't disagree with her, so tell us more..

She doesn't have the cocktail (breach of human rights?)

Grayson · 10-05-2014 12:09PM

Boombastic wrote: »

I think my question was

is a person who detatches emotion from murder called a psychopath?

your linking it to all women who have terminations not me

you could have just answered the question instead of trying to twist it

You mean this question?

having sex with a woman turns her in to an incubator and causes physical and mental damage

men

That wasn't a question.

steddyeddy · 10-05-2014 12:09PM

ryan101 wrote: »

After a few weeks you need a pair of pliars to crush the childs skull up into little pieces, before you hoover them out.

It's a parasite, get it right!

Grayson · 10-05-2014 12:12PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

It's a parasite, get it right!

Seriously, drop it. If that's the best argument you can come up with than your argument has no validity.

The pro choice people have actively, and for the most part politely, tried to engage the pro life people in a discussion.

You have constantly resorted to cheap trolling. I think you are incapable of actually articulating an argument in support of your position.

Boombastic · 10-05-2014 12:13PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Well what else is an option? The father can disagree but we're still back to a person being permanently affected. I'm sure you have a better idea?

wow, back up here now

How is the father not permanently affected?

physically maybe not, but are we discarding mental effects (ironically enough used as a justification for abortion), or are men emotionless beings?

if she doesn't have an abortion be is also permanently affected.

either way he is permanently effected

Muise... · 10-05-2014 12:13PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Muise, i'll give you an A for Amusing me (see what I did there )

wheren't you the very one who had been reading about this on feminist sites and were the first in to applaud her and hail this as the progressive modern world? You certainly don't disagree with her, so tell us more..

She doesn't have the cocktail (breach of human rights?)

Oh dear. Are you pointing and HAHAing your own stupidity at me like a fat-fingered boardsie Nelson? A small disagreement about one instance among pro-choice means our shared view is utterly scuppered, does it? Yes, I did post that I applauded the woman's honesty and bravery and intent to demystify and destigmatise abortion. So you'll note, if you can, that I said "lots of" rather than "I" in that post.

GalwayGuy2 · 10-05-2014 12:16PM

qdawg86 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Yes, would you like to elaborate?

steddyeddy · 10-05-2014 12:17PM

Grayson wrote: »

Seriously, drop it. If that's the best argument you can come up with than your argument has no validity.

The pro choice people have actively, and for the most part politely, tried to engage the pro life people in a discussion.

You have constantly resorted to cheap trolling. I think you are incapable of actually articulating an argument in support of your position.

Excuse me trolling? Some people refer to a foetus of the same species as a parasite and I am the one trolling. I am Pro-choice but the parasite term is an embarrassment. I'm also a scientist and I can't stand by when science is being used to support ones viewpoint. You called it trolling because you can't abide by your own cognitive dissonance based on the labelling of the foetus as a parasite and your exclusion of the possibility of late term abortions.

GalwayGuy2 · 10-05-2014 12:17PM

Jaysus, it's turning into fight night. :P

Boombastic · 10-05-2014 12:18PM

Grayson wrote: »

You mean this question?

That wasn't a question.

you accused me of saying all women who have abortions are psychopaths. I didn't say this. quote me.

define a psychopath

and well done on identifying questions

shruikan2553 · 10-05-2014 12:19PM

Boombastic wrote: »

wow, back up here now

How is the father not permanently affected?

physically maybe not, but are we discarding mental effects (ironically enough used as a justification for abortion), or are men emotionless beings?

if she doesn't have an abortion be is also permanently affected.

either way he is permanently effected

If he wants a child and she doesn't then I would agree but the woman is the one who has to be pregnant, we can't just remove it after a week or two, incubate it and then hand the child to the father. Pregnancy is the problem, it is not just wanting a child.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 10-05-2014 12:20PM

Muise... wrote: »

OK so, here it is in full: Did you once have a girlfriend who didn't put you first at all times?

Lol. Are you serious with this question?

Women are no different to men with regards to what can make them tick. Some good, some bad but yet you ask this question like women were all pure of heart and selfless.

Do you think the accounts you read here from women who have had abortions, or who know they cannot have children, do not involve their partners?

Never said that. Never implied it either.

There are 40 Million abortions carried out in the world each year. Over 100,000 each and every day. My opinions are not based what a few people say here on Boards. Sure, they can shaped and altered from time to time, but by and large, my opinions on abortion have been formed over the past twenty years or more.

When the subject of discussion is women, and when women are the agents of the subject of discussion, do you not think bringing up the fathers (as if we deliberately excluded them) is a bit whiney and what about teh menz?

Good grief. Women have posted their stories regarding abortion and how it impacted on their lives and there has been non-stop talk about how women's lives might negatively effected by having an unwanted child but yet I use the word Father... and all of sudden I am whining??

I hate to break it to you, Muise, but this is not a topic where abortion is being discussed from the perspective of woman. I'm sure there are places where you can do just that, but this thread isn't it and so to say I am indulging in "what about teh menz" is quite frankly, laughingly inappropriate, but.. your reaction is far from surprising. Nothing the abortion on demand crowd hate more the suggestion that men's (not "menz" - we can actually spell) lives might be negatively affected should their unborn be aborted against their wishes.

Grayson · 10-05-2014 12:21PM

Boombastic wrote: »

wow, back up here now

How is the father not permanently affected?

physically maybe not, but are we discarding mental effects (ironically enough used as a justification for abortion), or are men emotionless beings?

if she doesn't have an abortion be is also permanently affected.

either way he is permanently effected

Fathers rights are a separate issue entirely. I'll agree with you that it's just messy. For example, should a woman be forced to carry a pregnancy to term because the father is against abortion?
Or should she carry it to term and force him to pay child support because she's against abortion but he isn't? Or maybe he should force her to abort because he doesn't want to be a father. It's just messed up.

The reason i say it's separate is because even if both the man and woman are in favour of a termination, then a prolife person would still be against it. Although the fathers rights can add complexity to the argument, they are really just a distraction from the abortion itself. fathers rights when it comes to abortion are an issue only if we agree that the woman has a right to a termination.

steddyeddy · 10-05-2014 12:21PM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Jaysus, it's turning into fight night. :P

Some people label a foetus a parasite. Then act surprised when you apply their reasoning to the debate and call you a troll. I seem to have hit a raw nerve.

Boombastic · 10-05-2014 12:21PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

If he wants a child and she doesn't then I would agree but the woman is the one who has to be pregnant, we can't just remove it after a week or two, incubate it and then hand the child to the father. Pregnancy is the problem, it is not just wanting a child.

pregnancy is only for 9 months, it's a temporary situation, a child is for life

Grayson · 10-05-2014 12:23PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Excuse me trolling? Some people refer to a foetus of the same species as a parasite and I am the one trolling. I am Pro-choice but the parasite term is an embarrassment. I'm also a scientist and I can't stand by when science is being used to support ones viewpoint. You called it trolling because you can't abide by your own cognitive dissonance based on the labelling of the foetus as a parasite and your exclusion of the possibility of late term abortions.

How is it cognitive dissonance to think that abortion at 6 weeks is ok, but not at 30+ weeks?

And I've never labelled a foetus a parasite. never. Not once.

steddyeddy · 10-05-2014 12:24PM

Grayson wrote: »

How is it cognitive dissonance to think that abortion at 6 weeks is ok, but not at 30+ weeks?

And I've never labelled a foetus a parasite. never. Not once.

Good because it's not.

How is it not ok. Up until it can survive without a mother abortions are all the same from a moral viewpoint.

shruikan2553 · 10-05-2014 12:25PM

Boombastic wrote: »

pregnancy is only for 9 months, it's a temporary situation, a child is for life

The pregnancy can lead to complications and health issues that last for life. Are you saying that a woman should remain pregnant because someone else wants her to be?

Muise... · 10-05-2014 12:28PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Lol. Are you serious with this question?

Women are no different to men with regards to what can make them tick. Some good, some bad but yet you ask this question like women were all pure of heart and selfless.

Never said that. Never implied it either.

There are 40 Million abortions carried out in the world each year. Over 100,000 each and every day. My opinions are not based what a few people say here on Boards. Sure, they can shaped and altered from time to time, but by and large, my opinions on abortion have been formed over the past twenty years or more.

Good grief. Women have posted their stories regarding abortion and how it impacted on their lives and there has been non-stop talk about how women's ives might negatively effected by having an unwanted child but yet I use the word Father... and all of sudden I am whining??

I hate to break it to you, Muise, but this is not a topic where abortion is being discussed from the perspective of woman. I'm sure there are places where you can do just that, but this thread isn't it and so to say I am indulging in "what about teh menz" is quite frankly, laughingly inappropriate, but.. your reaction is far from surprising. Nothing the abortion on demand crowd hate more the suggestion that men's (not "menz" - we can actually spell) lives might be negatively affected should their unborn be aborted against their wishes.

Actually, I was implying that women sometimes put themselves first, and that this seems to be a sore point with you.

The issue can be discussed by everyone online, but when it comes down to each abortion - the man can speak, and I hope he actually listens too, but he cannot make the decision. Sorry if that bothers you so much. I think men are big boys, and well able to cope if their partner needs an abortion and they don't want that. Life sucks sometimes.

Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

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