Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

OwaynOTT · 10-05-2014 09:20AM

Petition to change club mascot to a panda?

Fescue · 10-05-2014 09:25AM

Long time lurker, first time poster. Just a quick thank you to those of you who have given me quite a few laughs in the last while.

Having moved to France recently, this thread has let me share a little bit in the excitement and disappointments of being a Liverpool supporter this season.

Looking forward to Stevie Gerrard lifting the Premier league trophy tomorrow.

Paul

Hidalgo · 10-05-2014 09:35AM

Whilst another attacking option would be great (although the lallana fee will be very high), I'd hope that a decent portion of the budget will be set aside for a DM/CM. Someone that can slot in beside Gerarrd and prevent ball from getting past that line, but also a player comfortable enough to step up from the deep role towards the attacking side of the centre circle and have the ability to play passes to the front 3/4..

If a player that fits that bill could be got I think the goals against column should drop next season without having any major impact on the goals for column

tomaussie · 10-05-2014 09:36AM

I think 20 million for Lallana is ludicrous. For that kind of money we should be getting an international player with proven quality.

It's not a good sign if we are willing to gamble 20 million on Lallana rather than pay 30-40 million for the next superstar player that is Ross Barkley.

MD1990 · 10-05-2014 09:39AM

we should be going for someone like Alexis Sanchez who could be available for 25m Euro's if the links to Juventus are true.

mike65 · 10-05-2014 09:40AM

tomaussie wrote: »

I think 20 million for Lallana is ludicrous. For that kind of money we should be getting an international player with proven quality.

It's not a good sign if we are willing to gamble 20 million on Lallana rather than pay 30-40 million for the next superstar player that is Ross Barkley.

Barkley plays for Everton and would not be sold to Liverpool at this point for ANY money. Lallana is not a risk - in fact that is the one thing he is not. Overpriced maybe but certainly not a punt.

Hidalgo · 10-05-2014 09:52AM

tomaussie wrote: »

I think 20 million for Lallana is ludicrous. For that kind of money we should be getting an international player with proven quality.

It's not a good sign if we are willing to gamble 20 million on Lallana rather than pay 30-40 million for the next superstar player that is Ross Barkley.

Surely Barkley is way more a gamble, twice the money and after just a single season in the PL

tomaussie · 10-05-2014 09:53AM

mike65 wrote: »

Barkley plays for Everton and would not be sold to Liverpool at this point for ANY money. Lallana is not a risk - in fact that is the one thing he is not. Overpriced maybe but certainly not a punt.

I don't agree. If the player wanted to leave it would happen. Players have been sold between the clubs previously.

Players have never had more power in their own career choices. I do think it's highly unlikely to happen but my point was more about paying for proven quality rather than paying slightly less (but still a significant amount) for a player that might be good enough.

How can you say Lallana wouldn't be a risk ? Some players never get over the pressure of a huge transfer fee. I'm not saying he won't be good enough but I am saying that for that money we should be getting a more proven player.

tomaussie · 10-05-2014 09:54AM

Hidalgo wrote: »

Surely Barkley is way more a gamble, twice the money and after just a single season in the PL

That's not what my eyes tell me.

Hidalgo · 10-05-2014 10:05AM

tomaussie wrote: »

I don't agree. If the player wanted to leave it would happen. Players have been sold between the clubs previously.

Players have never had more power in their own career choices. I do think it's highly unlikely to happen but my point was more about paying for proven quality rather than paying slightly less (but still a significant amount) for a player that might be good enough.

How can you say Lallana wouldn't be a risk ? Some players never get over the pressure of a huge transfer fee. I'm not saying he won't be good enough but I am saying that for that money we should be getting a more proven player.

Lallana definitely would be a risk imo, as you state the fee may be too much pressure for him.
Going by that logic however, surely the fee for Barkley would be a risk. If Lallana might struggle with the pressure of a £20m fee, why won't Barkley struggle with a fee of twice that, and that's not even adding in the extra attention of crossing the city which would be placed on his shoulders.

Not that I think Liverpool will even bid for Barkley, waste of an effort imo

OwaynOTT · 10-05-2014 10:07AM

tomaussie wrote: »

I don't agree. If the player wanted to leave it would happen. Players have been sold between the clubs previously.

Players have never had more power in their own career choices. I do think it's highly unlikely to happen but my point was more about paying for proven quality rather than paying slightly less (but still a significant amount) for a player that might be good enough.

How can you say Lallana wouldn't be a risk ? Some players never get over the pressure of a huge transfer fee. I'm not saying he won't be good enough but I am saying that for that money we should be getting a more proven player.

And in what way is Barkley a more proven player in relation to handling the pressures associated with a significant transfer fee?

billy2012 · 10-05-2014 10:07AM

If Lallana was Spanish or South American fans would be going mad for him. He is a seriously talented player. Really hope we sign him.

mike65 · 10-05-2014 10:12AM

billy2012 wrote: »

If Lallana was Spanish or South American fans would be going mad for him. He is a seriously talented player. Really hope we sign him.

Lallana almost sounds funny foreigner to me!

Throw in Jay Rodriguez as well and we could convince ourselves that Liverpool have signed two Spaniards.

billy2012 · 10-05-2014 10:14AM

mike65 wrote: »

Lallana almost sounds funny foreigner to me! Throw in Jay Rodriguez as well and we could convince ourselves that Liverpool have signed two Spaniards.

I'd happily take Rodriguez too. Wanyama three. They actually have such a class little team. Will be a pity to see them being broken up.

tomaussie · 10-05-2014 10:18AM

billy2012 wrote: »

If Lallana was Spanish or South American fans would be going mad for him. He is a seriously talented player. Really hope we sign him.

I hope you're right as it looks like we are in for him. I hope he is good enough but I think it's too much money.

That home of year again. Going to be torture until 31st of August.

mike65 · 10-05-2014 10:18AM

billy2012 wrote: »

I'd happily take Rodriguez too. Wanyama three. They actually have such a class little team. Will be a pity to see them being broken up.

He cackled! :pac:

5live · 10-05-2014 10:22AM

tomaussie wrote: »

I think 20 million for Lallana is ludicrous. For that kind of money we should be getting an international player with proven quality.

It's not a good sign if we are willing to gamble 20 million on Lallana rather than pay 30-40 million for the next superstar player that is Ross Barkley.

I seem to remember a similar comment being made about Mark Kennedy being the next superstar and how he was worth twice what we paid for him.

Some players reach their peak at 10-20 and some 27-28. You never know if a player is going to handle the pressure of a transfer and the expectations that come with it.

Then add in a cross city transfer between two rivals where most of his current friends will now be rivals and the constant hassle he will get every time he goes out the door to socialise. A more mature player would have difficulties in handling that kind of change.

Anyways Everton are a manU feeder club

Demosthenese · 10-05-2014 10:22AM

No matter what you pay for any of the English players you will always find a better fit abroad that would have cost less. It is always a gamble to buy English which we've seen over the years. English media just bigs them up so much that the average fan cannot distinguish between world class and class. The list is endless, but look at Arsenal for the prime example ... Wilshere/Walcott/OX/Ramsey ... all supposed world class and going to be the next big thing. Barkley is the same thing - who knows what will happen to these kids after a few years. Sure Rooney was supposed to be the white bloody PELE! Sweet jesus. The term world class gets thrown about so easily. Potential is the easiest thing to not fulfill in football.

Give credit to Martinez, he seen it in Barkley but the kid has a long way to go to achieve the next level. Give him 3-4 seasons producing it at the top level then see if he is worth 40 mill.

Lallana is 27 isn't he? Where has he been that nobody scooped him up the last 3 years? Late bloomer maybe ... 25 million definitely not.

tomaussie · 10-05-2014 10:29AM

5live wrote: »

I seem to remember a similar comment being made about Mark Kennedy being the next superstar and how he was worth twice what we paid for him.

Some players reach their peak at 10-20 and some 27-28. You never know if a player is going to handle the pressure of a transfer and the expectations that come with it.

Then add in a cross city transfer between two rivals where most of his current friends will now be rivals and the constant hassle he will get every time he goes out the door to socialise. A more mature player would have difficulties in handling that kind of change.

Anyways Everton are a manU feeder club

I can only go by what I see. He looks awesome to me. I think the cross city thing would be the biggest problem he would have.

It's not often I get excited by a young player. Jack Wilshere was the last young player that made a huge impression in me. I just think Barkley has IT.

He will be at United, Chelsea or City by next summer if not sooner. Injuries permitting.

Grayditch · 10-05-2014 10:30AM

I'd be more interested in judging some players when there isn't a World Cup coming up with the England boss sitting in the stands every game.

Just a thought.

billy2012 · 10-05-2014 10:30AM

Demosthenese wrote: »

No matter what you pay for any of the English players you will always find a better fit abroad that would have cost less. It is always a gamble to buy English which we've seen over the years. English media just bigs them up so much that the average fan cannot distinguish between world class and class. The list is endless, but look at Arsenal for the prime example ... Wilshere/Walcott/OX/Ramsey ... all supposed world class and going to be the next big thing. Barkley is the same thing - who knows what will happen to these kids after a few years. Sure Rooney was supposed to be the white bloody PELE! Sweet jesus. The term world class gets thrown about so easily. Potential is the easiest thing to not fulfill in football.

Give credit to Martinez, he seen it in Barkley but the kid has a long way to go to achieve the next level. Give him 3-4 seasons producing it at the top level then see if he is worth 40 mill.

Lallana is 27 isn't he? Where has he been that nobody scooped him up the last 3 years? Late bloomer maybe ... 25 million definitely not.

26 today.

Agueroooo · 10-05-2014 10:31AM

Fescue wrote: »

Long time lurker, first time poster. Just a quick thank you to those of you who have given me quite a few laughs in the last while.

Having moved to France recently, this thread has let me share a little bit in the excitement and disappointments of being a Liverpool supporter this season.

Looking forward to Stevie Gerrard lifting the Premier league trophy tomorrow.

Paul

Shut up ya French sap!

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billy2012 · 10-05-2014 10:32AM

Grayditch wrote: »

I'd be more interested in judging some players when there isn't a World Cup coming up with the England boss sitting in the stands every game.

Just a thought.

Why?

If anything it's more pressure on them.

Fescue · 10-05-2014 10:36AM

I think one quality that is often overlooked when assessing a player is his intelligence, football intelligence so to speak.

The dramatic improvement in Sterling this season has come about because of improvements in his tactical awareness rather than any great leap in technical ability.

I think with Lallana you have a talented footballer with a lot of intelligence. He might not be as dynamic as some of the others mentioned but he may well be a better fit for the type of game Liverpool want to play.

Grayditch · 10-05-2014 10:43AM

billy2012 wrote: »

Why?

If anything it's more pressure on them.

The England squad hasn't been announced yet, has it?

viper006 · 10-05-2014 10:45AM

OwaynOTT wrote: »

And in what way is Barkley a more proven player in relation to handling the pressures associated with a significant transfer fee?

There's something explosive about barley when on the ball. There's an air about him that's almost like when Rooney and Stevie broke onto the scene. I think he will go onto be an incredible player . his ability at 20 years of age is frightening. It's mouth watering to think how good he could be under Rodgers guidance. It's a non runner him coming to Liverpool though.

I think lallana will a good signing but the fee worries me. 6 years older than Barkley and has only shown over last 1-2 seasons how good he is. I don't think though he would struggle at Liverpool.. His game is suited to our style. Ud have to hope he would shine here.

Really hope Rodgers gets this transfer windows right, there still big question marks over a number of his signings to date and we can't afford that this time. With the funds this time you feel though it could be a very exciting window

Agent Coulson · 10-05-2014 10:46AM

Ok I am starting to like the idea of Lallana joining now the more I think about it as I said I don't think he is worth the money but I and many other on here and else where complained about the money we paid for Henderson who now seems priceless to our team.

If we can get Lallana for around the same price £18/20m then that could turn in a bargin over the next 6 years if he can keep up the standards he has shown over the last 4/5 years coming up through the divisions and there is nothing to say he can't/won't.

Also mike65 I think Danny Ings would be a very good shout.

EuropeanSon · 10-05-2014 10:59AM

Don't get the Barkley love at all. Always thought he was a bit headless at times and has been vastly overhyped by the media after a few very good performances (a bit like Janusaj).

Sure he's been good, but people talking of £30+ million transfer fees for him seems mad.

You'd do much better with Lallana.

Iused2likebusts · 10-05-2014 11:03AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Also mike65 I think Danny Ings would be a very good shout.

If signing anybody off burnley kieran trippier is the man. He is an excellent RB has 16 assists in the league for them and would suit our style of play. Last season was the first season Ings had as first choice may not have got his chance if austin wasnt sold to QPR 3 days before the season started. Obviously he had a great season not so sure he has the pace or control to make an impact the way we play. He is out of contract at the end of next year so probably best to see how he adapts to the PL first plus I want burnley to stay up( Dads a fan).

Stargate · 10-05-2014 11:20AM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Shut up ya French sap!

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