Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

seenitall · 09-05-2014 03:05PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Some of the pathetic arguments going on here are probably doing as much damage to the pro-choice side as the dumb **** in the video did.

Comparing foetuses to parasites? =/

Pretty damn weak, really

Weak? :rolleyes:

Try factual.

They are parasites. Look up the definition. Or ask Wishiwas.

eviltwin · 09-05-2014 03:06PM

Boombastic wrote: »

some women also have abortions because they think it makes better financial sense than being proactive and getting sterilized, due to myths being spouted about sterilisation
would you agree?

Are you referring to my post on the other thread? I'll take it that you are. You don't know me from adam so you have absolutely no right to judge me. I make my choices based on what is best for my family and no one else. No one else is responsible either emotionally or financially for my family so on that basis, taking into account the kids I do have, myself and my husband will make the decisions we feel are right for us. Now if you don't like that, and you clearly don't, then that is your issue, not mine.

My name is URL · 09-05-2014 03:08PM

seenitall wrote: »

Weak? :rolleyes:

Try factual.

They are parasites. Look up the definition. Or ask Wishiwas.

A parasite is defined as one species living off another. You'll be saying unborn babies are not human next :pac:

Crackpot stuff

seenitall · 09-05-2014 03:09PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Lol a baby living in a incubator is very much a parasite by that definition.

Nope. Same as above, look up the definition.

eviltwin · 09-05-2014 03:09PM

Splendour wrote: »

Plenty of people try drugs and end up becoming addicts although they didn't mean to become addicted. Who's responsible for them becoming addicted? They are, so therefore are responsible for the outcome.

You're right, it isn't the responsibility of women to provide babies for childless couples (though this is being done through surrogacy) but if a women becomes pregnant is it not better to have a positive outcome instead of a negative one?

Positive outcome for who though? Yes its great for the child and the adoptive couple but adoption is a hard choice, its not something you just do and then move on. I wish we had more open adoptions here, I think if we had the option that the birth mother could still be a part of her child's life, meet them, get to know them etc then maybe more women would consider it.

I Heart Internet · 09-05-2014 03:09PM

mauzo! wrote: »

I find it really hard to be pro choice. I just can't seem to be ok with it. I am trying, genuinely.

Why are you trying? Why do you think being pro-choice wrt abortion is a good thing?

mauzo! wrote: »

I truly wish I could be pro choice.....

I probably shouldn't admit this here, I never have before. I do want to change my mind though, I'm not looking to argue or anything.

Nah, a consistent pro-life approach to life is the only rational one - anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia, anti-death penalty, anti-violence, anti-war.

09-05-2014 03:10PM

seenitall wrote: »

Weak? :rolleyes:

Try factual.

They are parasites. Look up the definition. Or ask Wishiwas.

Oh dear. I'd love to think you were trolling but sadly, I fear you aren't.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 09-05-2014 03:11PM

Sarky wrote: »

Good for her.

Aye.. for her.

Muise... wrote: »

I think he says that because he is angry that he has no power over us.

Good Christ.

Is that how you really see all this? As all part of a power struggle?

A battleground for feminists to make one last stand. Unborn fetuses mere pawns.

seenitall wrote: »

Again, babies in incubators are not parasites...

I never said they were. Others did. All be it inadvertently.

Mr. McGreg · 09-05-2014 03:11PM

Don't like her attitude in that video tbh, abortion should never be something taken so lightly. I'd count myself pro-choice but as another poster said it's really hard not to imagine that foetus becoming life.

Boombastic · 09-05-2014 03:13PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Are you referring to my post on the other thread? I'll take it that you are. You don't know me from adam so you have absolutely no right to judge me. I make my choices based on what is best for my family and no one else. No one else is responsible either emotionally or financially for my family so on that basis, taking into account the kids I do have, myself and my husband will make the decisions we feel are right for us. Now if you don't like that, and you clearly don't, then that is your issue, not mine.

you said having an abortion was a better solution for you financially than getting sterilized. It's better to kill than to take personal responsibility, fair enough, I get you

how much does an abortion cost?

Splendour · 09-05-2014 03:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I disagree with that. That seems crazy logic imo.

It's a 'win win' situation. Mother has baby and can't help but love it or mother rejects baby so some childless couple get to have a much longed for child.

It is inherent in us to love our offspring regardless of how we feel when we first hear about a pregnancy. That is not to say that rejection can at times happen though.

shamrock55 · 09-05-2014 03:13PM

Id consider myself pro choice but sweet lord making a video about your abortion is just crossing way way over the line, this woman can in no way be right in the head

steddyeddy · 09-05-2014 03:14PM

seenitall wrote: »

Nope. Same as above, look up the definition.

I've been studying biology for over ten years now. Babies are not classed as parasites to fit your beliefs

Ihatecuddles · 09-05-2014 03:15PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Why are you trying? Why do you think being pro-choice wrt abortion is a good thing?

Nah, a consistent pro-life approach to life is the only rational one - anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia, anti-death penalty, anti-violence, anti-war.

I feel I'm on the wrong side of the fence. I don't know why though

I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone, or go down the street with placards or anything.

I think if you don't take the steps to prevent the creation of life, then you don't get to end the life either. Regardless of it being your body. Just my 2 cents.

Davei141 · 09-05-2014 03:16PM

Between this video and some of the comments on this thread it makes me feel uneasy to think i share the same side as these people.

seenitall · 09-05-2014 03:16PM

My name is URL wrote: »

A parasite is defined as one species living off another. You'll be saying unborn babies are not human next :pac:

Crackpot stuff

Merriam-Webster:

par·a·site

noun \ˈper-ə-ˌsīt, ˈpa-rə-\ : an animal or plant that lives in or on another animal or plant and gets food or protection from it
: a person or thing that takes something from someone or something else and does not do anything to earn it or deserve it

No mention of another species.

Save petty insults for when you're dealing with your own ilk.

StudentDad · 09-05-2014 03:16PM

I've watched the video and read some articles on this issue and it appears to me that this woman has made a rational and sensible decision. By filming this procedure in the way she has; I think she has added to the public good, in that she has taken the hysteria out of the debate.

Whether or not I or anyone else agrees or disagrees with her decision is irrelevant.

SD

eviltwin · 09-05-2014 03:17PM

Boombastic wrote: »

you said having an abortion was a better solution for you than getting sterilized. It's better to kill than to take personal responsibility, fair enough, I get you

how much does an abortion cost?

I never said any such thing. I told you, along with others on that thread, that I cannot afford it. I'm on long term contraception so I'm sure I will never have to think about an abortion touch wood but given my medical history and the fact I already have children I won't be a martyr either if the worst happens and I won't feel guilty about it or be shamed by it.

gctest50 · 09-05-2014 03:17PM

My name is URL wrote: »

A parasite is defined as one species living off another. You'll be saying unborn babies are not human next :pac:

Crackpot stuff

seenitall wrote: »

Merriam-Webster:

par·a·site

noun \ˈper-ə-ˌsīt, ˈpa-rə-\ : an animal or plant that lives in or on another animal or plant and gets food or protection from it
: a person or thing that takes something from someone or something else and does not do anything to earn it or deserve it

No mention of another species.

Save petty insults for when you're dealing with your own ilk.

Kleptoparasite - is a small bit closer to it

- we need a new word though for pro-life looper stressing

.

blacklilly · 09-05-2014 03:19PM

gctest50 wrote: »

we need a new word to for pro-life looper stressing

How mature of you. Insults and name calling do you point no good

Sarky · 09-05-2014 03:20PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Aye.. for her.

Indeed. She's the only person involved. The "human DNA means human life" argument is woefully simplistic.

Splendour · 09-05-2014 03:21PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Positive outcome for who though? Yes its great for the child and the adoptive couple but adoption is a hard choice, its not something you just do and then move on. I wish we had more open adoptions here, I think if we had the option that the birth mother could still be a part of her child's life, meet them, get to know them etc then maybe more women would consider it.

Abortion is also a hard choice (for most) but probably easier than adoption as the baby is not full term and doesn't seem (to some) as somehow 'real'.
I take your point about the mother being allowed to be a part of her child's life but in reality I don't see how that could work. Having said that, I suppose it happens sometimes and great if it works out.

My name is URL · 09-05-2014 03:23PM

seenitall wrote: »

Merriam-Webster:

par·a·site

noun \ˈper-ə-ˌsīt, ˈpa-rə-\ : an animal or plant that lives in or on another animal or plant and gets food or protection from it
: a person or thing that takes something from someone or something else and does not do anything to earn it or deserve it

No mention of another species.

Save petty insults for when you're dealing with your own ilk.

My own ilk? Do be a dear and explain what you mean by this.

Parasite -

Parasitism is a non-mutual symbiotic relationship between species, where one species, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the other, the host.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitism

Fairly basic biology tbh

seenitall · 09-05-2014 03:27PM

My name is URL wrote: »

My own ilk? Do be a dear and explain what you mean by this.

Parasite -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitism

Fairly basic biology tbh

a dictionary vs. wiki

hmmmmm, tbh :pac:

By your own ilk, I mean people who throw out silly insults like "crackpot" without a shade of substantiation. Why, what's your guess, "dear"?

Muise... · 09-05-2014 03:29PM

Sarky wrote: »

Indeed. She's the only person involved. The "human DNA means human life" argument is woefully simplistic.

I keep trying to picture double helixes, out and about, walking, talking, arguing on the internet.

seenitall · 09-05-2014 03:31PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

I never said they were. Others did. All be it inadvertently.

Nope, you're the one who brought in the incubators.

My name is URL · 09-05-2014 03:32PM

seenitall wrote: »

a dictionary vs. wiki

hmmmmm, tbh :pac:

By your own ilk, I mean people who throw out silly insults like "crackpot" without a shade of substantiation. Why, what's your guess, "dear"?

Wikipedia is referenced, you know

Show me one definition or scholarly article about 'parasites' where human foetuses are cited as an example.

Grayson · 09-05-2014 03:32PM

blacklilly wrote: »

I haven't watched the clip and have no intention of watching it.

Did anyone else gather that she didin't use contraception in order to become pregnant with the absolute intention to have an abortion?

If this is the case, this is sick.

I am pro-life (as I'm sure most of you know) but I would imagine that if this is the case this story does not sit well with the majority of pro-choice supporters either.

I would suggest you either read the thread from the beginning or read any of the articles that were posted.

She didn't get pregnant just to have an abortion. I'm still failing to understand why that's the first conclusion everyone jumps to.

And she's doing this to show that having an abortion is not a massive experience. It's only traumatic if the woman thinks it's traumatic.

blacklilly wrote: »

I honestly never thought I would hear of someone delibertly becomming pregnant in order to experience having an abortion.

Once again, you haven't heard that story, but don't let that stop you jumping to conclusions.

seenitall · 09-05-2014 03:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh dear. I'd love to think you were trolling but sadly, I fear you aren't.

Just the way I feel about what the poster above you wrote in that post. The wondrous world of the Internetz, eh?

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 09-05-2014 03:35PM

@seenitall: The dictionary definition you supplied proves you wrong:

noun \ˈper-ə-ˌsīt, ˈpa-rə-\ : an animal or plant that lives in or on another animal ..

This part is obviously not relevant as it is not another animal, the fetus is from the same species.

: a person or thing that takes something from someone or something else and does not do anything to earn it or deserve it

And this makes your definition inapplicable as babies do earn it and also deserve it:

Why Babies Aren't Actually Parasites

Sarky wrote: »

Indeed. She's the only person involved. The "human DNA means human life" argument is woefully simplistic.

And her body, her choice is not?

Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

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