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Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

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  • #92
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My issue is the whole "my body, my choice" part. (I am not talking about the extreme cases e.g. rape incest etc)

    The inequality of a man's choice or consideration of how it impacts him is staggering. Surely if a woman can decide to terminate against a man's wish, then a man should be able to "terminate" his legal obligation should the woman go ahead with the pregnancy.?

    My body, my choice feminists.... Pity you didn't choose not to be a ****


  • #93
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,007 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    green_screen wrote: »
    This is where pro-life and pro-choice disagree.

    Pro-choice believe a woman should have full bodily integrity, and the choice to not be forced to carry a foetus against her will.

    Pro-life believe the foetus is a baby, and has the right to live, regardless of what the woman carrying it believes.

    Ultimately, we will not agree. Seems a bit pointless that it's the same handful of posters (myself included) arguing it in two different threads.

    I was actually pro life at one stage. I grew up in a catholic household. I went to a catholic school where Youth Defence recruited.
    But my whole reason for being pro life was religious. As religion left me so did my opinions about abortion. I can understand that one doesn't need to be religious to be anti abortion but for me the two were tied.

    I'm just saying that sometimes people can change their minds about it.

    Although most of the time they won't and it will turn into a horrible argument.


  • #94
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    The One Doctor wrote: »
    Apt username. Seriously though, if it's legal she can do it, so there's no real argument.

    In New England, fire engines are not allowed to exceed 25mph - which includes the journey to the fire! I suppose the residents of New England have "no real argument" if their house burns or somebody dies.


  • #95
    seenitall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Yes, but you clearly don't:



    Unless you are suggesting the woman in question here was impregnated by another species.

    If you understand what a parasite is, why do you bring up smashing incubators into it? Is an incubator a living entity?


  • #96
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Muise... wrote: »
    They are not separate until birth. I wasn't arguing entities.

    Sigh :(
    Muise... wrote: »
    .......................... it is under her skin and flesh, in her womb, not yet a separate entity.


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  • #97
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    Sigh :(

    oops, adjective fail.


  • #98
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    My issue is the whole "my body, my choice" part. (I am not talking about the extreme cases e.g. rape incest etc)

    The inequality of a man's choice or consideration of how it impacts him is staggering. Surely if a woman can decide to terminate against a man's wish, then a man should be able to "terminate" his legal obligation should the woman go ahead with the pregnancy.?

    My body, my choice feminists.... Pity you didn't choose not to be a ****

    Your making the assumption that women don't make the decision in consultation with the father. Full disclosure here, I've had an abortion, the father was involved from the start and fully supported me. When we went only one person was on her own, the rest were with men ( possibly not the father but I'll assume they were )

    As I said on the other thread if you have a situation where a man wants the child but the woman doesn't ultimately she has to have the final say. The impact of the pregnancy is greater on her mentally, physically, emotionally...its hard enough to deal with all that when you want to have a child let alone when you feel forced into it.

    I think its unfair to say that women who have abortions are "c*nts"


  • #99
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I think its unfair to say that women who have abortions are "c*nts"

    I think he says that because he is angry that he has no power over us.


  • #100
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Grayson wrote: »
    I was actually pro life at one stage. I grew up in a catholic household. I went to a catholic school where Youth Defence recruited.
    But my whole reason for being pro life was religious. As religion left me so did my opinions about abortion. I can understand that one doesn't need to be religious to be anti abortion but for me the two were tied.

    I'm just saying that sometimes people can change their minds about it.

    Although most of the time they won't and it will turn into a horrible argument.

    My mother in law was very pro life until her mid 70's, she would have been a regular at pro life marches and vigils, was on first name basis with a lot of the pro life advocates. Now she is fully pro choice all because myself and my husband have been in that position. She now knows that abortion happens to people like her son, her daughter in law, real people. And that is why it is so important that more women speak out about it and for that I applaud the woman in the video.


  • #101
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Your making the assumption that women don't make the decision in consultation with the father. Full disclosure here, I've had an abortion, the father was involved from the start and fully supported me. When we went only one person was on her own, the rest were with men ( possibly not the father but I'll assume they were )

    As I said on the other thread if you have a situation where a man wants the child but the woman doesn't ultimately she has to have the final say. The impact of the pregnancy is greater on her mentally, physically, emotionally...its hard enough to deal with all that when you want to have a child let alone when you feel forced into it.

    I think its unfair to say that women who have abortions are "c*nts"

    Yeah, on re-reading my post, I didn't clarify enough and apologies for that. I am only referring to the women who are not in consultation with the fathers. It's the women who have the attitude of "well it's my body and that is all that matters" without any feelings for anyone else that I have issue with.

    Apologies for any offense taken by my pretty badly written post


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  • #102
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I think its unfair to say that women who have abortions are "c*nts"

    I don't think that's what he said.


  • #103
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Grayson wrote: »
    I was actually pro life at one stage. I grew up in a catholic household. I went to a catholic school where Youth Defence recruited.
    But my whole reason for being pro life was religious. As religion left me so did my opinions about abortion. I can understand that one doesn't need to be religious to be anti abortion but for me the two were tied.

    I'm just saying that sometimes people can change their minds about it.

    Although most of the time they won't and it will turn into a horrible argument.

    Same as myself, I grew up Catholic and pro-life.


  • #104
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Muise... wrote: »
    I think he says that because he is angry that he has no power over us.

    Not at all. That's a little silly


  • #105
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    I don't think that's what he said.

    "pity you didn't chose not to be a ****"

    What else could it mean? :confused:


  • #106
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eviltwin wrote: »
    "pity you didn't chose not to be a ****"

    What else could it mean? :confused:

    It meant that people who only think about "My body, my choice" without considering the impact that it might have on others is a bit of a ****.

    Also I spelled "choose" wrong. Urgh


  • #107
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah, on re-reading my post, I didn't clarify enough and apologies for that. I am only referring to the women who are not in consultation with the fathers. It's the women who have the attitude of "well it's my body and that is all that matters" without any feelings for anyone else that I have issue with.

    Apologies for any offense taken by my pretty badly written post

    Unless these women tell you directly and in full detail what they are doing when they have abortions without consulting their partners/ONS, they really only exist in your head and your misreading of slogans. I'm sure it does happen, but you don't have the full story and even if you did, your anger doesn't mean a thing beyond ranting on the internet.


  • #108
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah, on re-reading my post, I didn't clarify enough and apologies for that. I am only referring to the women who are not in consultation with the fathers. It's the women who have the attitude of "well it's my body and that is all that matters" without any feelings for anyone else that I have issue with.

    Apologies for any offense taken by my pretty badly written post

    that makes sense, I still don't know how you deal with that issue though. If he wants the baby and she doesn't who gets the final say in that? If we allow him to abdicate all responsibility towards the child will the tax payer be happy to pick up the tab?


  • #109
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    eviltwin wrote: »
    "pity you didn't chose not to be a ****"

    What else could it mean? :confused:

    Let's include the full line....just for lols
    Deleted User wrote: »
    My body, my choice feminists.... Pity you didn't choose not to be a ****

    It seems he was talking about a certain type of feminist person, not "woman who have had abortions".

    But I think most people can see that.


  • #110
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    eviltwin wrote: »
    And that is why it is so important that more women speak out about it and for that I applaud the woman in the video.

    You applaud a self-promotional headline grabbing egotistical narcissist? You think she is really doing this for the promotion of pro-choice?


  • #111
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Muise... wrote: »
    I think he says that because he is angry that he has no power over us.

    it's about power? interesting, like having a god complex? the power to decide whether someone lives or dies


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  • #112
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Boombastic wrote: »
    it's about power? interesting, like having a god complex?

    Exactly like that. He thinks certain feminists are c**nts because they do not consult him.


  • #113
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I keep watching it again and again but she comes across as a bit messed up, not the brightest and a troll.


  • #114
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eviltwin wrote: »
    that makes sense, I still don't know how you deal with that issue though. If he wants the baby and she doesn't who gets the final say in that? If we allow him to abdicate all responsibility towards the child will the tax payer be happy to pick up the tab?

    I don't have the answers. But on such an emotive issue, I think the blanket "my body, my choice" answer is hugely unfair when there is no protection for the father if he decides that he doesn't want a child.

    As I have said before, this is an emotional issue for most so I am not here to rant or judge. The only people that get on my nerves are the ones who seem to think that a man's emotional wellbeing and life isn't changed by such decisions and should be discounted.


  • #115
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Muise... wrote: »
    Have you noticed the way women have bumps before they have babies? Good. Inside this bump is the foetus. You can't see it without technological imaging processes..

    The air force are unable to tell if there is human life within solid structures without using technological imaging processes. So what?

    Doesn't make those people any less alive. The 'point' you're attempting to make is a nonsense one quite frankly.
    ..because you see, it is under her skin and flesh, in her womb, not yet a separate entity.

    So Scott Peterson should not have been charged with two counts of murder? Just the one?


  • #116
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Muise... wrote: »
    Exactly like that. He thinks certain feminists are c**nts because they do not consult him.

    Not me. The father of their potential child. I don't want them coming to me. Why the hell would I want to know?


  • #117
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Muise... wrote: »
    Exactly like that. He thinks certain feminists are c**nts because they do not consult him.

    the psychopath ones with the god complexes or the 'moderate feminists'?


  • #118
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not me. The father of their potential child. I don't want them coming to me. Why the hell would I want to know?

    Oh I don't know - maybe to back up your ridiculous judgement?


  • #119
    xalot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭xalot


    I'm very strongly pro choice and find this extremely disturbing. It totally belittles the situation that many people find themselves in.
    I know women who have had abortions and it was not an easy decision nor was the emotional recovery after.

    I cant believe how trivial she makes it seem and I can understand why this kind of thing would enrage pro life activists. It enrages me. Having an abortion is not like getting a flu jab and should not be treated so lightly, especially by somebody who works in the industry.

    I suppose videos like this open up discussion and debate and that is something good.


  • #120
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    I wonder will the abortion cure her of her obvious narcism.


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  • #121
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Muise... wrote: »
    Oh I don't know - maybe to back up your ridiculous judgement?


    I like you. You are silly


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