Prison and sexual abuse

jellyboy · 04-05-2014 10:20AM #1

I read this article this morning with John Lonergan

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/doubling-up-in-prisons-creating-culture-of-sex-abuse-warns-former-mountjoy-governor-30242066.html

and a lot of questions came to my noggin ..

Should it be ignored by society because of the perception of people who commit crimes?

How do we change society so that we can prevent people being hurt and damaged further by abuse in prisons

I'm guessing that it continues in women's prisons..

What did John Lonergan do about it when he was in charge?

beach_walker · 04-05-2014 10:24AM

jellyboy wrote: »

Should it be ignored by society because of the perception of people who commit crimes?

Hell no. We're not savages.

I've watched all of Oz. I'm never going to prison man, never.

Holsten · 04-05-2014 10:27AM

jellyboy wrote: »

I read this article this morning with John Lonergan

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/doubling-up-in-prisons-creating-culture-of-sex-abuse-warns-former-mountjoy-governor-30242066.html

and a lot of questions came to my noggin ..

Should it be ignored by society because of the perception of people who commit crimes?

How do we change society so that we can prevent people being hurt and damaged further by abuse in prisons

I'm guessing that it continues in women's prisons..

What did John Lonergan do about it when he was in charge?

Should it be ignored?! What?! Hell no.

Prison is the punishment, loss I your freedom and liberty.

Not gettin victimized by the psychos who life behind the walls.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 04-05-2014 10:36AM

I read his book "The Governor", I was amazed that they didn't act on his idea to redevelop Mountjoy. Instead they went and bought a site out in the sticks that will never be built on.

Single cells with plumbing is probably the way forward, although maybe slopping out every morning might make one re-evaluate where they are in life.

Prison has to be humane but yet tough, single cells will eradicate the gay rape problem, or else develop a system where gays are identified on entry and housed separate to regular inmates. However at the moment doubling up is a feature of Mountjoy and I'm sure many aren't truthful when disclosing their sexuailty, I'm thinking hashtag Bubba. :pac:

smcgiff · 04-05-2014 10:40AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I read his book "The Governor", I was amazed that they didn't act on his idea to redevelop Mountjoy. Instead they went and bought a site out in the sticks that will never be built on.

Single cells with plumbing is probably the way forward, although maybe slopping out every morning might make one re-evaluate where they are in life.

Prison has to be humane but yet tough, single cells will eradicate the gay rape problem, or else develop a system where gays are identified on entry and housed separate to regular inmates. However at the moment doubling up is a feature of Mountjoy and I'm sure many aren't truthful when disclosing their sexuailty, I'm thinking hashtag Bubba. :pac:

Male rape has nothing to do with being gay. It's a power thing. Did you really think this?

mikemac1 · 04-05-2014 10:42AM

Like the hurler on the ditch he seems to have all the answers now

_Redzer_ · 04-05-2014 10:44AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I read his book "The Governor", I was amazed that they didn't act on his idea to redevelop Mountjoy. Instead they went and bought a site out in the sticks that will never be built on.

Single cells with plumbing is probably the way forward, although maybe slopping out every morning might make one re-evaluate where they are in life.

Prison has to be humane but yet tough, single cells will eradicate the gay rape problem, or else develop a system where gays are identified on entry and housed separate to regular inmates. However at the moment doubling up is a feature of Mountjoy and I'm sure many aren't truthful when disclosing their sexuailty, I'm thinking hashtag Bubba. :pac:

It's not a question about being gay. Keep two men in isolation for long enough, like over the course of years, and the majority of them will start having sex to some degree.

I've read a fair bit of prison stories and these things get mentioned. Some make mutual arrangements to get each other off and it's just a prison thing. Sex is sex after all.

Then you have rape, probably brought about sexual frustration in otherwise heterosexual men.

Littlehorny · 04-05-2014 10:47AM

Is sex abuse in male prisons not very rare in Irish and UK nicks? Thought i read a few inmates from Ireland saying its seems to be more of an American problem in their prisons.

umop.episdn · 04-05-2014 10:48AM

Rape is about power, when someone is sent to jail, they have their freedom taken from them, they lose their power.
Rape let's certain people regain their feelings of power & control. It has nothing to do with being gay

NipNip · 04-05-2014 10:49AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I read his book "The Governor", I was amazed that they didn't act on his idea to redevelop Mountjoy. Instead they went and bought a site out in the sticks that will never be built on.

Single cells with plumbing is probably the way forward, although maybe slopping out every morning might make one re-evaluate where they are in life.

Prison has to be humane but yet tough, single cells will eradicate the gay rape problem, or else develop a system where gays are identified on entry and housed separate to regular inmates. However at the moment doubling up is a feature of Mountjoy and I'm sure many aren't truthful when disclosing their sexuailty, I'm thinking hashtag Bubba. :pac:

Lol - are you suggesting that the only people who rape fellow inmates are homosexuals?

NipNip · 04-05-2014 10:50AM

Littlehorny wrote: »

Is sex abuse in male prisons not very rare in Irish and UK nicks? Thought i read a few inmates from Ireland saying its seems to be more of an American problem in their prisons.

I doubt any previously assaulted and/or raped inmate is likely to broadcast it.

humberklog · 04-05-2014 10:51AM

smcgiff wrote: »

Male rape has nothing to do with being gay. It's a power thing. Did you really think this?

The 2 surely aren't mutually exclusive though. It can be a gay person (repressed or not) using rape as a power thing.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 04-05-2014 10:52AM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

It's not a question about being gay. Keep two men in isolation for long enough, like over the course of years, and the majority of them will start having sex to some degree.

I've read a fair bit of prison stories and these things get mentioned. Some make mutual arrangements to get each other off and it's just a prison thing. Sex is sex after all.

Then you have rape, probably brought about sexual frustration in otherwise heterosexual men.

If it's consensual between two hetro guys serving long sentences ok. I'm thinking about a guy doing 6 months who gets put in with long termers, especially if he's young and good looking, his 'cellies' could advantage of him. The Prison Officers in Mountjoy laugh at that kind of thing.

smcgiff · 04-05-2014 10:56AM

humberklog wrote: »

The 2 surely aren't mutually exclusive though. It can be a gay person (repressed or not) using rape as a power thing.

In that instance there's no need to highlight homosexuality as was done. But I take your point.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 04-05-2014 10:57AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

..single cells will eradicate the gay rape problem, or else develop a system where gays are identified on entry and housed separate to regular inmates. However at the moment doubling up is a feature of Mountjoy and I'm sure many aren't truthful when disclosing their sexuailty..

Andy Dufresne: I have no enemies here.
Red: Yeah? Wait a while. Word gets around. The Sisters have taken quite a likin' to you. Especially Boggs.
Andy Dufresne: I don't suppose it would help if I told them that I'm not homosexual.
Red: Neither are they. You have to be human first. They don't qualify.

Whispered · 04-05-2014 10:58AM

It doesn't make sense to segregate gay inmates.

Not all men who rape other men are gay as others have said and then even if people were grouped accordingly, there would still be the issue of rape in both groups. It wouldn't solve anything. That's before even thinking about the ethical concerns of sorting people according to sexual preferences.

fran17 · 04-05-2014 11:03AM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/jail-tuck-shops-to-offer-hollywood-smiles-and-fake-tan-239799.html

2+2=4

NipNip · 04-05-2014 11:09AM

So Fran, they're allowed to buy sweets, cigars, brush their teeth and put on make-up if they so wish? What is the world coming to?!!!!

smcgiff · 04-05-2014 11:10AM

fran17 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/jail-tuck-shops-to-offer-hollywood-smiles-and-fake-tan-239799.html

2+2=4

What's that got to do with anything? Are you surprised female prisoners are buying eyeliner?

NipNip · 04-05-2014 11:13AM

smcgiff wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything? Are you surprised female prisoners are buying eyeliner?

And sun-screen!!! Good heavens.

youngblood · 04-05-2014 11:13AM

Littlehorny wrote: »

Is sex abuse in male prisons not very rare in Irish and UK nicks? Thought i read a few inmates from Ireland saying its seems to be more of an American problem in their prisons.

Irish inmates will now be granted condoms on a case by case basis......

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/irish-prisoners-given-condoms-first-3163613

fran17 · 04-05-2014 11:20AM

NipNip wrote: »

So Fran, they're allowed to buy sweets, cigars, brush their teeth and put on make-up if they so wish? What is the world coming to?!!!!

no whatever consenting adults wants to do with themselves along as it is not offending others is there business.however,introducing make up,fake tan,eye liner and Vaseline lotions into a male only prison can only exacerbate any sexual issues that are there already no?

fran17 · 04-05-2014 11:22AM

smcgiff wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything? Are you surprised female prisoners are buying eyeliner?

im sure in the interest of equality these products will be available to all.you wouldn't want to discriminate now

tallus · 04-05-2014 11:24AM

beach_walker wrote: »

Hell no. We're not savages.

I've watched all of Oz. I'm never going to prison man, never.

I **** you not dude...first time I Saw an episode of Oz I made the same vow.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 04-05-2014 11:26AM

fran17 wrote: »

no whatever consenting adults wants to do with themselves along as it is not offending others is there business.however,introducing make up,fake tan,eye liner and Vaseline lotions into a male only prison can only exacerbate any sexual issues that are there already no?

Exactly how is fake tan and eyeliner going to exacerbate anything in Mountjoy? Its not like backstage at the George, you know....

smcgiff · 04-05-2014 11:32AM

fran17 wrote: »

im sure in the interest of equality these products will be available to all.you wouldn't want to discriminate now

That's not 2+2=4 That's 2+2 is possibly 22

Czarcasm · 04-05-2014 11:42AM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

It's not a question about being gay. Keep two men in isolation for long enough, like over the course of years, and the majority of them will start having sex to some degree.

Ahh now, that's as bad as the "only gay men rape men, and they only rape men" nonsense. It's the stuff of gay porn fantasies tbh.

I've read a fair bit of prison stories and these things get mentioned. Some make mutual arrangements to get each other off and it's just a prison thing. Sex is sex after all.

Sounds like Redzer you've been reading too much "Fifty Shades of Gay" and you're using that as your source material.

Then you have rape, probably brought about sexual frustration in otherwise heterosexual men.

Subtle Redzer, really fcuking subtle - "Sexually frustrated men start raping each other because how else are they gonna get their hole".

I think you just posted that looking for a rise tbh as I don't believe it humanly possible to have such a piss poor understanding of male on male rape or institutionalised sexual violence.

fran17 · 04-05-2014 11:45AM

smcgiff wrote: »

That's not 2+2=4 That's 2+2 is possibly 22

exactly what im saying,introducion of such products will only increase the possibility,this is prison at the end of the day.do you want some guys who beat an oap half to death for his/her pension book to be getting sexual pleasures while serving there "sentences" from such products?

_Redzer_ · 04-05-2014 11:52AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Ahh now, that's as bad as the "only gay men rape men, and they only rape men" nonsense. It's the stuff of gay porn fantasies tbh.

Sounds like Redzer you've been reading too much "Fifty Shades of Gay" and you're using that as your source material.

Subtle Redzer, really fcuking subtle - "Sexually frustrated men start raping each other because how else are they gonna get their hole".

I think you just posted that looking for a rise tbh as I don't believe it humanly possible to have such a piss poor understanding of male on male rape or institutionalised sexual violence.

You would single handedly have to be one of the most condescending posters on boards.

crockholm · 04-05-2014 11:55AM

Being banned by Gordon or Mr.E is one thing,but,if they come around to my house and start fondling me without consent, then I'm telling Zaph.

nc19 · 04-05-2014 11:56AM

beach_walker wrote: »

Hell no. We're not savages.

I've watched all of Oz. I'm never going to prison man, never.

When Mr Echo knocks your man out, bends him over and grabs a handful of grease/lard.....

That scene will be with me forever

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