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Tom Gilmartin's son on LLS - "You people make the mafia look like monks"

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  • #32
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    Luft Ballon wrote: »
    Can someone explain how he hasn't been jailed? He was found corrupt by the Mahon Tribunal and that he took £50,000 for himself, but nothing happened?

    I would say since he gave him a blank cheque - a very basic error for a successful businessman to be fair - there was no proof it wasn't a gift. Even so he should have been done for not declaring it.


  • #33
    Pappacharlie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭Pappacharlie


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Take P Flynn who stole €50,000 of TG's money (intended for the FF party to try to extradite himself from the crooks) and put it in his own bank account.

    He is off in to the sunset and his daughter has been elected and lives in a castle like home up in Mayo.

    Then the locals seem to support them. What can we do?

    I was in a public building recently in Castlebar. The place was very busy and various people were chatting and joking while waiting to be served. Suddenly the "Messiah" PEE Flynn walked in and the place fell totally silent. You could feel the contempt in the air for the man.
    By the way the daughter as far as i know is now living in Spain. Her developer partner has fell on hard times not sure what the status of the Castle is?

    By the way I have read the Tom Gilmartin book and I recommend it to everyone. Sad thing is I don't think all that much has changed in the mean time.


  • #34
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    Does anyone really think this couldn't / isn't happening still?


  • #35
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    Pappacharlie wrote: »
    I was in a public building recently in Castlebar. The place was very busy and various people were chatting and joking while waiting to be served. Suddenly the "Messiah" PEE Flynn walked in and the place fell totally silent. You could feel the contempt in the air for the man.
    By the way the daughter as far as i know is now living in Spain. Her developer partner has fell on hard times not sure what the status of the Castle is?

    By the way I have read the Tom Gilmartin book and I recommend it to everyone. Sad thing is I don't think all that much has changed in the mean time.

    Maybe it was reverential respect and awe? Look at Lowry topping the poll in Tipperary.


  • #36
    dixiefly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭dixiefly


    That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy wrote: »
    He mention Christy Moore and Christy is a great man when it comes to politics and speaking his mind and truth.

    I agree.

    I was just thinking that he should have mentioned that Gilmartin would be on and that a dark era in Irish life would be revisited.


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  • #37
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy wrote: »
    He mention Christy Moore and Christy is a great man when it comes to politics and speaking his mind and truth.

    Must have been floating around or nabbed in the carpark or something.


  • #38
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,203 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Dont forget to vote FF in the upcoming locals/Europeans!!!

    If Nelson Mandela (if he was alive), was running for Fianna Fail, I wouldn't vote for him.


  • #39
    Soft Falling Rain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    131spanner wrote: »
    He made an interesting point about a lad who steals a pair of trainers or is caught with a few euro's worth of drugs on him gets the book thrown at him, yet the elite among us have a sort of immunity when it comes to fraud and the likes. It'd make you think.*

    *Not that I condone theft or drug use :pac:

    Careful now, you'll have people screaming "pinko lefty liberal" at you on here for highlighting such a sensible point.


  • #40
    BMJD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭BMJD


    Tubridy looked very uncomfortable during the interview.


  • #41
    dixiefly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭dixiefly


    BMJD wrote: »
    Tubridy looked very uncomfortable during the interview.
    Yes, definitely.


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  • #42
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Just popping in to say, if anyone reading this thinks that corruption is or was exclusive to FF, just do a quick Google search for Fine Gael, Denis O'Brien and Siteserv.


  • #43
    Titzon Toast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast


    Didn't Liam Lawler "handle" the sale of our offshore gas to the Statoil group back in the day too?
    I wonder how much of a backhander he got for that?


  • #44
    That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Just popping in to say, if anyone reading this thinks that corruption is or was exclusive to FF, just do a quick Google search for Fine Gael, Denis O'Brien and Siteserv.

    I agree last night was a reminder of what FF was. FG were just as bad and it's only a matter of time before more dirty muck comes out in relation to FG.


  • #45
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    kneemos wrote: »
    He came from Britain where business is conducted properly and assumed it would work similarly here.

    Wish I could thank this twice.


  • #46
    sadie06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭sadie06


    Oh the horrible smugness of Flynn in that clip. What a despicable person!

    Tubridy was a disaster during this interview. He stumbled over words, making some questions indecipherable and even interrupted to correct at one stage, but he was wrong. I presume that given his FF connections, he knows that all eyes are on him when something of this nature is on the show, causing him to be even more foolish than he normally is.


  • #47
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,037 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    No doubt the government were and are gangsters but this guy was a developer who whatever way to look at it was paying a td 3.5k per month to facilitate his development and paid pee flynn 50k. Is he whiter than white?
    Also how did a tip off from Dublin to the UK revenue manage to bankrupt him if he was clean?
    No doubt, flynn and his cronies should be locked for life though.


  • #48
    That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy


    sadie06 wrote: »
    Oh the horrible smugness of Flynn in that clip. What a despicable person!

    He has some neck. I hope his balls catch fire.


  • #49
    Arthur Beesley
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    robbiezero wrote: »
    If Nelson Mandela (if he was alive), was running for Fianna Fail, I wouldn't vote for him.

    Nor would I.


  • #50
    Royal Legend
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    kneemos wrote: »
    He came from Britain where business is conducted properly and assumed it would work similarly here.

    That's not exactly true, the perception is that business is ethical in Britain, but not the reality, its a nice myth though. ;)


  • #51
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    mickdw wrote: »
    No doubt the government were and are gangsters but this guy was a developer who whatever way to look at it was paying a td 3.5k per month to facilitate his development and paid pee flynn 50k. Is he whiter than white?
    Also how did a tip off from Dublin to the UK revenue manage to bankrupt him if he was clean?
    No doubt, flynn and his cronies should be locked for life though.

    Yeah he wasn't clean. But neither was he elected. These guys were.


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  • #52
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Flynn's family own a farm and Haughey's family own an island. Lol.


  • #53
    upstairs for coffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭upstairs for coffee


    Is Tom Gilmartin's book worth reading or does he paint himself as an angel?


  • #54
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    When you see how scumbags like Lawlor and Flynn and all their ilk are allowed to still roam their streets, living their corrupt, bourgeois lifestyles at our expense, then you realize there is no such thing as real justice, and no wonder there is apathy amongst the general public.

    When a party comes in and promises real reform and promises changes at the top, starting with snakes like Lawlor, at the very least stripping them of any payment made by the state, then reforming the law so that ****ers like him can actually face retribution when revealed for the frauds they really are, then we may live in hope.

    We live in a society where ombudsman are allowed to compile reports to save face and keep up appearances but then told to forget about, their reports frustrated, the whole thing a charade.

    Look up the Frank Fahey Lost at Sea case, which the opposition brought up then, but have conveniently said nothing about since. If there was any desire to change things they would of reformed the system which allowed FF to thrive, that would make people like Neary and those who he facilitated face consequences, but there clearly isn't, so what's the point.

    When you look at the amount of politicians who had vested interests in the property market then it can come as no surprise the lack of appetite to actually stop the madness that FF drove the country to, unchecked.

    It's all a sham really.


  • #55
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    mickdw wrote: »
    No doubt the government were and are gangsters but this guy was a developer who whatever way to look at it was paying a td 3.5k per month to facilitate his development and paid pee flynn 50k. Is he whiter than white?
    Also how did a tip off from Dublin to the UK revenue umanage to bankrupt him if he was clean?
    No doubt, flynn and his cronies should be locked for life though.

    Cost of doing business.
    If you go to corrupt countries such as Russia or wherever you take it for granted that payoffs will be necessary,you have to work the local system.I don't think we should be doing this kind of thing.


  • #56
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,037 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Yeah he wasn't clean. But neither was he elected. These guys were.

    Yes. That is the critical point and I agree with you.


  • #57
    Billy86
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    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    When you see how scumbags like Lawlor and Flynn and all their ilk are allowed to still roam their streets, living their corrupt, bourgeois lifestyles at our expense, then you realize there is no such thing as real justice, and no wonder there is apathy amongst the general public.

    When a party comes in and promises real reform and promises changes at the top, starting with snakes like Lawlor, at the very least stripping them of any payment made by the state, then reforming the law so that ****ers like him can actually face retribution when revealed for the frauds they really are, then we may live in hope.
    If Liam Lawlor were walking the streets today, I personally would be petrified!


  • #58
    JuliusCaesar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,886 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    Billy86 wrote: »
    If Liam Lawlor were walking the streets today, I personally would be petrified!

    I am petrified, given the standard of politicians, and the forgetfulness of the voting public.

    The sleeveens won't be long coming out as soon as the spotlight is off them. The deeds they have done haven't been undone. There's been a lack of any real punishment, and anyone who was done was just a sacrifice to appease the public and the media. You can be sure the fallboys will be rewarded in private later.


  • #59
    thebaz
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Dont forget to vote FF in the upcoming locals/Europeans!!!

    This is what I find most disturbing - for all the anger here and elsewhere - Fianna Fail are once again pushing to be the biggest party on our land - this, after only one term out of office - when they finally bust the country with there ethos of Greed and Corruption. If Fianna Fail are ever elected again, it really is the case we get the politicians we deserve


  • #60
    FrStone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭FrStone


    Boombastic wrote: »
    The apathy towards fraud and white collar corruption in this country is unreal.

    'Sure everyone else is doing it, what's the problem, you begrudger? You can jail someone of that 'standing''

    There will never be tough sentences towards white collar crime here in Ireland. There just isn't the appetite for it from the voting public.

    Tribunals find politicians guilty of all sorts and the next time they go for election they top the poll!


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  • #61
    ShagNastii
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Dont forget to vote FF in the upcoming locals/Europeans!!!

    I'm very a-political but it will break my heart if FF get anywhere near power again. After the boom (heck even during it) the party was exposed as being filled with utter scum and was corrupt throughout. The party deserved/deserves to die. The stuff most did (and still do) for themselves and to the country showed nothing but contempt for the people.

    Michael Martin would try make you believe FF only came about in the last few years. But it's still the same backpatting A holes.


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