new motorway? E55 million?

jimgoose · 02-05-2014 01:54PM

Infrastructure works. Good, modern infrastructure works good and modern. Proper high-quality motorways save time and money. If ten thousand cars and trucks use this every week, the time and money saving is huge. This is before the toll revenue is taken into account.

conorhal · 02-05-2014 01:54PM

the culture of deference wrote: »

Each hospital guarantee's a free infection too.

Well at least I can say that I'm getting something for nothing out of our free health sevice!

comongethappy · 02-05-2014 01:54PM

conorhal wrote: »

Come back to me on that when you're getting chemo in a corridor......

Yay! I've saved 20mins getting to the hospital so that I can spend 48hrs in a chair in A&E!

What is the point of any government spending then?
It can't all be on beds & cancer.

Tell us, how many billions would YOU spend on public health?

Davarus Walrus · 02-05-2014 01:55PM

As a Galwegian I approve of this investment. However I cannot help but feel it would have been more cost efficient and aesthetically pleasing to just bulldoze Claregalway, Gort and Ardrahan, rather than attempt to route the motorway around them.

My two cents.

jimgoose · 02-05-2014 02:05PM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

they'd do better spending it on public transport. the dart underground and metro north are desperately needed

To Hades on a rusty old CIE coal-wagon with Public sodding Transport. Two new flyovers here on the South Ring road in Cork save me ten minutes and about one Euro per day. Just a couple of bloody bridges. Imagine what bypassing a half-dozen or so Hardy Buck-ville towns in de Wesht will accomplish.

Riskymove · 02-05-2014 02:07PM

conorhal wrote: »

Come back to me on that when you're getting chemo in a corridor......

Yay! I've saved 20mins getting to the hospital so that I can spend 48hrs in a chair in A&E!

but it isn't an either/or argument

do you realise how much money goes into health?

anncoates · 02-05-2014 02:08PM

Whenever I feel momentary disquiet at the cost of infrastructural projects like motorways, I instantly console myself with the thought that I no longer have the plight of the unfortunates stuck in the succession of mini Golgothas like Borris on Ossory, Toomevara and Moneygall seared indelibly into my soul whenever driving West.

ImDave · 02-05-2014 02:11PM

Graces7 wrote: »

55 million! on a road when health service cuts are probably causing deaths and certainly suffering...

Money isn't the answer to everything. Sure, capital investment can do a lot of things in healthcare, but there is no point in throwing every cent the country has into a health service which has issues ranging far beyond monetary constraints, and ignoring the potential for regional economic investment and stimulus.

In 2011, Ireland spent $5,241 per capital in public health expenditure. The UK equivalent figure was $3,609 (Figures quoted in USD from report source). Suggests that money isn't the only answer to healthcare reform.

Arthur Beesley · 02-05-2014 02:13PM

Graces7 wrote: »

55 million! on a road when health service cuts are probably causing deaths and certainly suffering...

So should we spent ALL tax revenue on the heath service?

Karl Stein · 02-05-2014 02:18PM

But.. kittens..

jimgoose · 02-05-2014 02:18PM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

So should we spent ALL tax revenue on the heath service?

Of course not - one word: Monorail!! :cool:

SEPT 23 1989 · 02-05-2014 02:20PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

As a Galwegian I approve of this investment. However I cannot help but feel it would have been more cost efficient and aesthetically pleasing to just bulldoze Claregalway, Gort and Ardrahan, rather than attempt to route the motorway around them.

My two cents.

give the locals one week to leave or get bulldozed into the ground China style?

RikkFlair · 02-05-2014 02:21PM

Limerick-Cork motorway surely has to be next on the list, but it could be another 15 years before a sod is turned.

An abomination of a road at present.

jimgoose · 02-05-2014 02:22PM

RikkFlair wrote: »

Limerick-Cork motorway surely has to be next on the list, but it could be another 15 years before a sod is turned.

An abomination of a road at present.

Oh the M20 is great. The only problem is, it's currently five miles long and runs from Dooradoyle to just outside Patrickswell! :pac::pac::pac:

Santa Cruz · 02-05-2014 02:23PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Of course not - one word: Monorail!! :cool:

Claregalway isn't a monorail type of town. Monorail would be more suited to Shelbyville!

Davarus Walrus · 02-05-2014 02:24PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

give the locals one week to leave or get bulldozed into the ground China style?

I'd give them longer than a week. Give them time to from a 'commiteeee' first and the obligatory photo in the Connacht Tribune of a group of concerned locals standing around holding placards.

Then bulldoze them.

Santa Cruz · 02-05-2014 02:24PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

give the locals one week to leave or get bulldozed into the ground China style?

Give them a week but move in after three days. A bit of collateral damage but no great loss

jimgoose · 02-05-2014 02:27PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

I'd give them longer than a week. Give them time to from a 'commiteeee' first and the obligatory photo in the Connacht Tribune of a group of concerned locals standing around holding placards.

Then bulldoze them.

Now that's Kroompst!!

petes · 02-05-2014 02:27PM

Why would you create a thread on a discussion forum and then not discuss it when people have different opinions that yours...oh wait..

Roads are good mmkay!

Barely There · 02-05-2014 02:53PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Infrastructure works. Good, modern infrastructure works good and modern. Proper high-quality motorways save time and money. If ten thousand cars and trucks use this every week, the time and money saving is huge. This is before the toll revenue is taken into account.

There won't be any - it's not tolled.

jimgoose · 02-05-2014 03:12PM

Barely There wrote: »

There won't be any - it's not tolled.

Sure where would you get the likes of it! :cool:

danniemcq · 02-05-2014 03:14PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Sure where would you get the likes of it! :cool:

Galway area

AllGunsBlazing · 02-05-2014 03:17PM

Much needed imo. The road network in Ireland is decades behind where it should be for a western European country

topper75 · 02-05-2014 03:19PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

As a Galwegian I approve of this investment. However I cannot help but feel it would have been more cost efficient and aesthetically pleasing to just bulldoze Claregalway, Gort and Ardrahan, rather than attempt to route the motorway around them.

My two cents.

Gort is bypassed for years now. How much of a Galwegian are you?

aidan24326 · 02-05-2014 03:47PM

ImDave wrote: »

In 2011, Ireland spent $5,241 per capital in public health expenditure. The UK equivalent figure was $3,609 (Figures quoted in USD from report source). Suggests that money isn't the only answer to healthcare reform.

Exactly. People always like to bring it back to healthcare and 'how many hospital beds could we get for that!' but money isn't the only issue with the health service. We already throw billions at it. Value for money, or the lack of it, is the key thing there.

At least this project will generate badly-needed jobs, especially in a sector that was wiped out by the recession. For once this is a case of the government spending money on something that is actually useful, but let's hope that if 550M is the agreed figure that they stick to that, and it isn't allowed to bleed money like other public works projects where it was a case of just keep throwing cheques at it.

5live · 02-05-2014 03:59PM

awec wrote: »

There is none.

Healthcare is a financial black hole. No matter how much money you throw at it will never be enough. Healthcare also happens to be one of those things people think about emotionally rather than objectively.

You have to draw a line somewhere.

Ah come on!!!

Will you get out of here, you with your common sense.

There's no room for that round here:p

Naux · 02-05-2014 04:04PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

As a Galwegian I approve of this investment. However I cannot help but feel it would have been more cost efficient and aesthetically pleasing to just bulldoze Claregalway, Gort and Ardrahan, rather than attempt to route the motorway around them.

My two cents.

The new motorway road will be miles away from Claregalway...................closer to Athenry:eek:

Gort is already bypassed.

Where have you been?????

topper75 · 02-05-2014 04:05PM

aidan24326 wrote: »

Let's hope that if 550M is the agreed figure that they stick to that, and it isn't allowed to bleed money like other public works projects where it was a case of just keep throwing cheques at it.

Won't happen.

Not because current coalition are savvy proponents of fiscal rectitude. But because the silly money simply isn't there. And even if it was, our Troika pals would be over again like Bishop Len Brennan in a seething cape-flowing rage.

Adamantium · 02-05-2014 04:06PM

I'm a fan of limited government, because it makes logical sense

For all the shaming and satire of politicians and the like on the roads (he fixed the roads), it's one of the only things they should be doing, that nobody else would do.

Adamantium · 02-05-2014 04:09PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

I'd give them longer than a week. Give them time to from a 'commiteeee' first and the obligatory photo in the Connacht Tribune of a group of concerned locals standing around holding placards.

Then bulldoze them.

Like this (do we actually have tanks?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFzeNAHEhU

new motorway? E55 million?

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