Teacher stabbed to death by student in Leeds

No Pants · 28-04-2014 06:21PM

the_monkey wrote: »

it's this PC BULLSHÍT

Do you even know what PC stands for? I'll give you a hint; it's got nothing to do with not being able to defend yourself when someone tries to stab you.

There's a Stewart Lee video that explains what PC isn't much better than I can.

WinnyThePoo · 28-04-2014 06:36PM

So Sad. So Sad. What more can you say.

ryan101 · 28-04-2014 06:49PM

Meangadh wrote: »

I have to say that as a teacher, hearing this kind of thing terrifies me. I'm very lucky to teach in a lovely all girls secondary school where I would sincerely hope nothing like this would ever happen, but I suppose you never know.

I've taught in a few other schools though where I've had a number of male students I refused to ever work with one-on-one without another pupil or teacher present because I was genuinely a bit scared, or at the very least wary of them. And I can tell you now, a number of them were from well-off families, even some in a private school I taught in. Social background does not always have a part to play in deciding what kind of people commit this kind of thing.

My sympathies to this lady's family, friends, colleagues and students. I can't even begin to imagine the horror of having to deal with such an event in a school.

I wouldn't be able to do teaching for love nor money in this current society.

porsche959 · 28-04-2014 06:50PM

No Pants wrote: »

Do you even know what PC stands for? I'll give you a hint; it's got nothing to do with not being able to defend yourself when someone tries to stab you.

There's a Stewart Lee video that explains what PC isn't much better than I can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHLnf5H4soU

jamo2oo9 · 28-04-2014 06:53PM

"School will continue to operate whilst the investigation continues".

What the hell? A teacher just got murdered and you have the decency to keep the school running? Close the school and send the kids home for the week for christ sake. Everyone in that school experienced a serious traumatic incident. Nobody could be fit to learn or teach after that.

Other than that, it's awful on what happened and I hope the bastárd gets life for it.

roryc · 28-04-2014 06:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like she started picking on the wrong kid. She mustn't have known the decent kids from the animals. During my time the animals were left do whatever the hell they wanted. Heck in my school one teacher's son had a knife!

No doubt this will be seized upon teachers everywhere to empower themselves. No one deserves to be stabbed but the idea that the teachers are angels is also wrong. I came across many ****e, bullying teachers. I think the word is "lunatics"!

Going by some comments on Twitter it sounds like she may have tried to stop him stabbing another kid. But please, don't let that get in the way of your uneducated rant about how it was probably her own fault.

thimble · 28-04-2014 06:58PM

Good grief. When did schools get so dangerous? Nobody would have contemplated the possibility of such a thing when I was at school - and that's not so long ago.

Arbiter of Good Taste · 28-04-2014 07:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like she started picking on the wrong kid. She mustn't have known the decent kids from the animals. During my time the animals were left do whatever the hell they wanted. Heck in my school one teacher's son had a knife!

No doubt this will be seized upon teachers everywhere to empower themselves. No one deserves to be stabbed but the idea that the teachers are angels is also wrong. I came across many ****e, bullying teachers. I think the word is "lunatics"!

This makes me weep:(

No Pants · 28-04-2014 07:16PM

porsche959 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHLnf5H4soU

Actually, no. It's very good, but this is the one I was looking for.

28-04-2014 07:31PM

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

"School will continue to operate whilst the investigation continues".

What the hell? A teacher just got murdered and you have the decency to keep the school running? Close the school and send the kids home for the week for christ sake. Everyone in that school experienced a serious traumatic incident. Nobody could be fit to learn or teach after that.

Other than that, it's awful on what happened and I hope the bastárd gets life for it.

If this tragedy started out as one student trying to attack another, it may be safer to have all children in school where there will be a police presence and counselling service.

It's quite possible that tensions between different groups of kids could erupt again if they are at home and/or hanging out without supervision. Probably best to keep an eye on everything in the same place.

RIP

ryan101 · 28-04-2014 08:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like she started picking on the wrong kid. She mustn't have known the decent kids from the animals. During my time the animals were left do whatever the hell they wanted. Heck in my school one teacher's son had a knife!

No doubt this will be seized upon teachers everywhere to empower themselves. No one deserves to be stabbed but the idea that the teachers are angels is also wrong. I came across many ****e, bullying teachers. I think the word is "lunatics"!

Sounds like something the person who murdered her would come up with

May she rest in peace, poor woman.

byhookorbycrook · 28-04-2014 09:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like she started picking on the wrong kid. She mustn't have known the decent kids from the animals. During my time the animals were left do whatever the hell they wanted. Heck in my school one teacher's son had a knife!

No doubt this will be seized upon teachers everywhere to empower themselves. No one deserves to be stabbed but the idea that the teachers are angels is also wrong. I came across many ****e, bullying teachers. I think the word is "lunatics"!

Wow, classy.

Shakespeare's Sister · 28-04-2014 10:30PM

roryc wrote: »

Pretty sure nothing like this has ever happened in Ireland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27193638

There were times it seemed possible in my school!

wetdarknight2 · 28-04-2014 10:32PM

very sad

roryc · 28-04-2014 11:07PM

This article sheds some new light on it. Not the 'social benefits' kid most would have expected. Stabbed several times in the back and neck, seems like he has a few screws loose to do that to a 61 year old female school teacher.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10794504/Leeds-teacher-murder-boy-15-in-custody-after-Anne-Maguire-stabbed-to-death.html

"The boy in custody comes from a middle-class family in the Halton area of Leeds. His mother is a human resources director and his father is a civil servant. "

ryan101 · 28-04-2014 11:18PM

roryc wrote: »

This article sheds some new light on it. Not the 'social benefits' kid most would have expected. Stabbed several times in the back and neck, seems like he has a few screws loose to do that to a 61 year old female school teacher.

"The boy in custody comes from a middle-class family in the Halton area of Leeds. His mother is a human resources director and his father is a civil servant. "

His mother is a HR director. No wonder he stabbed someone. Mitigating circumstances, if ever there was any.

Stheno · 28-04-2014 11:20PM

roryc wrote: »

This article sheds some new light on it. Not the 'social benefits' kid most would have expected. Stabbed several times in the back and neck, seems like he has a few screws loose to do that to a 61 year old female school teacher.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10794504/Leeds-teacher-murder-boy-15-in-custody-after-Anne-Maguire-stabbed-to-death.html

"The boy in custody comes from a middle-class family in the Halton area of Leeds. His mother is a human resources director and his father is a civil servant. "

His parents had recently split up, I'd half wonder given the profile of the murdered lady, if she hadn't tried to help him, and he just cracked if that makes any sense?

Olive8585 · 29-04-2014 12:16AM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

I'm not even sure where tackling this issue could begin. I come from what is considered quite a rough place (southern Italy) and there were indeed more than a bunch of "up to no good" characters in the schools I attended.
Bullying was the order of the day, some guys (and girls too) seemed to simply go to school to pick up a different fight each day and possession of switchblade knives was definitely not unheard of.

And yet while there were brawls and vandalizing, events of a comparable gravity to the Leeds' ones were extremely rare, mostly because even the most pig-headed, p1sscup of a child/teenager knew they'd be in a cr@pload of trouble, should they do something THAT stupid.

Today, the entitled shower of cnuts that these parents are would defend their sociopath scum of a child, no matter what. Stay tuned for the description of this 15 years old pile of fecal matter as a "quiet guy" and "loving child" start to surface, if they don't go full blown into the "poor troubled child" sob story, I kid you not. The fact that he's 15 also means there are chances he'll just walk and keep wasting precious oxygen that could be devoted to better and more relevant uses - firing up a barbecue, for example.

WTF? He stabbed his teacher to death. I'm sure he was a very troubled child with mental health issues. It has been reported that he was on anti-depressants and was a loner. Similar to the profile of many of the kids who have committed American school massacres - white, middle class, misunderstood, depressed male. I don't know why people automatically assumed the kid was from a family on benefits or a gang member. Sounds like he just snapped.

Dub Ste · 29-04-2014 09:03AM

I grew up in Leeds and went to Corpus Christi.

I remember Mrs Maguire,she was a lovely person and a very very good teacher.

This is shocking news.

R.I.P Mrs Maguire

H3llR4iser · 30-04-2014 03:16PM

Olive8585 wrote: »

WTF? He stabbed his teacher to death. I'm sure he was a very troubled child with mental health issues. It has been reported that he was on anti-depressants and was a loner. Similar to the profile of many of the kids who have committed American school massacres - white, middle class, misunderstood, depressed male. I don't know why people automatically assumed the kid was from a family on benefits or a gang member. Sounds like he just snapped.

Of course, if he's mentally ill we should cut him some slack. Afterall, he "only" stabbed a teacher to the death, it's not like he murdered somebody.

That's exactly the kind of cancerous attitude I'm talking about.

happyviolet · 30-04-2014 03:32PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Anyone who seriously thinks a teacher would be fired for defending themselves against a knife attack from a student are obviously talking complete and utter shíte.

Not sure if he got fired, but this story reminds me about an interview from Liam Neeson, who talked about how he used to be a teacher and one day when he was telling a 15 year old student off for disrupting the class, the kid pulled out a knife on him. Liam's reaction was to punch him, because he said he felt threatened and it was a immediate reaction, but then he was the one who got reprimanded for punching a student, even though he could have ended up being killed.

Olive8585 · 30-04-2014 08:18PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Of course, if he's mentally ill we should cut him some slack. Afterall, he "only" stabbed a teacher to the death, it's not like he murdered somebody.

That's exactly the kind of cancerous attitude I'm talking about.

No, YOUR attitude is cancerous. Do you actually understand the concept of 'mentally ill'? This isn't some badly brought up scrote who thinks he can do whatever he wants, it sounds like a case of a very troubled young man who had already had psychological intervention and unfortunately snapped one day. Of course it's not OK that he killed the woman, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what you're on about. I live in London, I see schoolkids who are in gangs and carry knives all the time. This isn't the same thing at all. This is a middle class kid who by all accounts was very quiet, well-behaved and high-achieving and has now ruined his own life as well as his family's and the teacher's family's. The story comes in the same week as a woman who stabbed her three disabled children to death because she just couldn't cope anymore. I suppose you think we should just lock her up and throw away the key too?

Sala · 30-04-2014 09:24PM

Poor woman was due to retire in September after 40 years. Probably had their plans ready of what to do in retirement, god bless her poor husband and kids.

Shakespeare's Sister · 30-04-2014 11:40PM

I know very severe mental illness can occasionally cause people to do terrible things, but this lad being depressed and a loner doesn't mean he was a victim and not a bad person. And being middle-class and well brought up certainly doesn't guarantee a person will be decent, even if they have a better head-start than many others.
Kids in gangs with knives in London likely have sh1t backgrounds with little stability and values and who's to say some of them don't have mental illnesses? Still responsible for their actions though.

Olive8585 · 01-05-2014 12:50AM

Magaggie wrote: »

I know very severe mental illness can occasionally cause people to do terrible things, but this lad being depressed and a loner doesn't mean he wasn't a victim and not a bad person. And being middle-class and well brought up certainly doesn't guarantee a person will be decent, even if they have a better heard-start than many others.
Kids in gangs with knives in London likely have sh1t backgrounds with little stability and values and who's to say some of them don't have mental illnesses? Still responsible for their actions though.

I never said being middle-class guaranteed you would be decent. My point was actually almost the opposite. I said bringing social welfare and all that sh1t into a thread about this incident is ridiculous. I think some posters had a kneejerk reaction along the lines of 'a stabbing in England? Must be those benefit scroungers/chavs/feral kids/whatever'. Sounds like a kid from a decent family who just snapped for whatever reason. Stuff like this has ALWAYS happened. I read at least a couple of stories a year about people being stabbed to death in London by a random nutter. Perhaps people should be questioning the quality of mental health care in England rather than bleating about 'entitled' teenagers. Entitled teenagers whine about not having enough pocket money or the latest runners, they don't stab their teacher to death for sh1ts and giggles.

Shakespeare's Sister · 01-05-2014 10:26PM

Yeh fair points. There *is* an issue in the UK with getting very severely mentally ill people the care they need. Same in this country.

No Pants · 02-05-2014 11:31AM

Magaggie wrote: »

Yeh fair points. There *is* an issue in the UK with getting very severely mentally ill people the care they need.

They call it "Care in the community" but it's really just sending them hope to their family, if they have one, and hoping that they can cope.

H3llR4iser · 02-05-2014 12:48PM

Olive8585 wrote: »

No, YOUR attitude is cancerous. Do you actually understand the concept of 'mentally ill'? This isn't some badly brought up scrote who thinks he can do whatever he wants, it sounds like a case of a very troubled young man who had already had psychological intervention and unfortunately snapped one day. Of course it's not OK that he killed the woman, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what you're on about. I live in London, I see schoolkids who are in gangs and carry knives all the time. This isn't the same thing at all. This is a middle class kid who by all accounts was very quiet, well-behaved and high-achieving and has now ruined his own life as well as his family's and the teacher's family's. The story comes in the same week as a woman who stabbed her three disabled children to death because she just couldn't cope anymore. I suppose you think we should just lock her up and throw away the key too?

Olive8585 wrote: »

I never said being middle-class guaranteed you would be decent. My point was actually almost the opposite. I said bringing social welfare and all that sh1t into a thread about this incident is ridiculous. I think some posters had a kneejerk reaction along the lines of 'a stabbing in England? Must be those benefit scroungers/chavs/feral kids/whatever'. Sounds like a kid from a decent family who just snapped for whatever reason. Stuff like this has ALWAYS happened. I read at least a couple of stories a year about people being stabbed to death in London by a random nutter. Perhaps people should be questioning the quality of mental health care in England rather than bleating about 'entitled' teenagers. Entitled teenagers whine about not having enough pocket money or the latest runners, they don't stab their teacher to death for sh1ts and giggles.

So again, what do you propose to do with these people? A hug, a pat on their shoulders and a prize because they are "victims"? I guess the real victims, those laying six feed under now, were just "unfortunate casualties" necessary for some nutter's "mental health" struggles.

"Snapping" is no justification at all, murder is murder - and it should make no difference who commits it. There might be mitigating factors, sure enough, but generic "mental illness" shouldn't be one: there are countless people affected by very deep ailments, yet only an handful of them do commit murder. It's not like somebody can't be an assh0le just because he/she has some trouble.

Kinzig · 02-05-2014 12:52PM

I went to school in the sixties and seventies, if we fell foul off a teacher due to our misbehaviour then not only did we get the tawse!..we also got severely reprimanded when our parents found out..double whammy!!

We had respect enough for our teachers back then because we knew our place which wasnt a bad thing looking back, however nowadays is a different kettle of fish, my daughter is involved in teaching and some of the stories I hear about police attending to incidents on a daily basis, atrocious behaviour both from the pupils and their parents when they turn up to defend wee johnnie or mary are truly disturbing!!

The respect culture between young people and their elders is crumbling, kids nowadays shout about their rights when challenged on anti social behaviour..even the police are practically powerless to deal with them..society has created a monster and that poor lady fell foul of it!!!:mad:

AlanS181824 · 02-05-2014 02:32PM

Absolutely terrible may she RIP.

Teacher stabbed to death by student in Leeds

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