Atkins I feel very sick help

runawaybishop · 29-04-2014 03:07PM

ford2600 wrote: »

Try Dr Neville Wilson in leinster clinic in co Kildare for starters.

Try Volek Pinney Attia online for starters

Or Sweden

Sweden may become the first western nation to recommend a lower-carbohydrate, higher-fat diet as part of an effort to reduce the national prevalence of obesity, diabetes, and to improve markers of heart health. Following a literature review of 16,000 studies on diet and obesity, Swedish government advisors at the Council on Health Technology Assessment have suggested that a low-carb, high-fat diet may be the key to reversing obesity and obesity-related illnesses.

runawaybishop · 29-04-2014 03:08PM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

The balance would be specific to the person and their specific level of health and any issues. That's what dieticians are for!

No, the balance is very easily put in general terms. You are just speaking out of your hoop now.

ford2600 · 29-04-2014 03:22PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

No, the balance is very easily put in general terms. You are just speaking out of your hoop now.

I'm hitting unfollow, nutrition is an interesting debate when debating with informed open minded people even if from opposite view point.

You can never reach any agreement with dogma. Dogma is understandable given the extent to which lipid phobia has been pushed since the 1980's.
In early 80's Pinney was testing performance of long distance cyclists on a very high fat diet, less than 10% carbs, in which after 10 adaptation there was no loss of performance.

Some intrepid Dr locked himself into Bellevue hospital NY for 12 months in 1920's tp prove he could drive on 80% fat diet. His colleagues thought he would get scurvy or worse.

He emerged in perfect health. After yesrs living with Inuits he knew he was good to go.

Still my own gp tells me I can't cycle the distances I'm doing without high carb. Jaysus wept!

Frigga_92 · 29-04-2014 03:27PM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

The Inuits eat their diet due to the harsh environment and limited resources of their environment.

Does anybody really think that if they went to their Doctor in the morning their Doctor or Nutritionist would recommend an inuit or high fat diet instead of a balanced one?

Of course they wouldn't!

My G.P. is a BIG fan of low carb. She recommends it to all her patients. Her main problem with most average diets is that it contains a lot of bread and a lot of sugar and her main reason for recommending low carb is energy levels.
She is in a practice with 4 other doctors, all of whom also recommend a low carb diet for those wanting to lose weight.

Edit - just to clarify, when I say low carb I obviously mean high fat also.

WhyTheFace · 29-04-2014 03:41PM

26sdrawkcab wrote: »

My G.P. is a BIG fan of low carb. She recommends it to all her patients. Her main problem with most average diets is that it contains a lot of bread and a lot of sugar and her main reason for recommending low carb is energy levels.
She is in a practice with 4 other doctors, all of whom also recommend a low carb diet for those wanting to lose weight.

100% agreed with low carb. No carb is a different story!

whirlpool · 29-04-2014 03:53PM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

While this is somewhat true it is not correct.

It is not an addiction to carbs per se in the same way one becomes addicted to drugs or sugar.

Neither drugs or sugar are essential for normal bodily functions. Carbs play an important role as they are the fuel that drives the body.
You do not need to have been eating carbs in huge amounts to get those types of feeling on stopping them.
It would be similar to people feeling thirsty without water. Severe dehydration isn't a sign of you having an addiction to water, its a sign that the body is missing something essential to its normal function.

The body can't survive without water, it can survive without a high-carb-intake. Dehydration is an eventual result of taking away water, it is not a withdrawal side effect - and it eventually leads to death. Taking away a high-carb-intake does not lead to death. So I don't think you can equate water to a high-carb-intake.

A low amount of carbs is necessary for survival, but that's not what the OP is dealing with.

MaceFace · 29-04-2014 04:17PM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

100% agreed with low carb. No carb is a different story!

Ahhh... So what is low carb? How many grams per day?

whirlpool wrote: »

The body can't survive without water, it can survive without a high-carb-intake. Dehydration is an eventual result of taking away water, it is not a withdrawal side effect - and it eventually leads to death. Taking away a high-carb-intake does not lead to death. So I don't think you can equate water to a high-carb-intake.

A low amount of carbs is necessary for survival, but that's not what the OP is dealing with.

Carbs are NOT necessary for survival.

WhyTheFace · 29-04-2014 04:59PM

MaceFace wrote: »

Ahhh... So what is low carb? How many grams per day?

Carbs are NOT necessary for survival.

we have established they are not necessary. But a small amount are of great benefit from an energy perspective. And of course a small amount has zero negative impact on one's health.

Much less impact than a high fat diet in fact.

runawaybishop · 29-04-2014 05:02PM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

we have established they are not necessary. But a small amount are of great benefit from an energy perspective. And of course a small amount has zero negative impact on one's health.

Much less impact than a high fat diet in fact.

You were going so well until the last sentence. Remove it before we notice

Blacktie. · 29-04-2014 05:16PM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

we have established they are not necessary. But a small amount are of great benefit from an energy perspective. And of course a small amount has zero negative impact on one's health.

Much less impact than a high fat diet in fact.

Wait so we're talking low fat and low carb? Is this an ultra high protein diet?

WhyTheFace · 29-04-2014 05:19PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

Wait so we're talking low fat and low carb? Is this an ultra high protein diet?

Am I the only one with a nutrition background on this thread?

Blacktie. · 29-04-2014 05:21PM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

Am I the only one with a nutrition background on this thread?

Enlighten us

MaceFace · 29-04-2014 06:09PM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

Am I the only one with a nutrition background on this thread?

Not as

as I am...

gctest50 · 29-04-2014 06:15PM

I don't think taking a selfie outside the supermarket counts as a background ?

runawaybishop · 29-04-2014 11:09PM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

Am I the only one with a nutrition background on this thread?

I can safely say that i am a nutritionist :pac:

meijin · 01-05-2014 08:59PM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

Am I the only one with a nutrition background on this thread?

Guys, seriously, it's all trolling. Why trying to convince him?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

WhyTheFace · 01-05-2014 09:52PM

meijin wrote: »

Guys, seriously, it's all trolling. Why trying to convince him?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

The only statement I have made throughout the whole thread it that a balanced diet (i.e. one containing carbs,protein and fats) is better than one without carbohydrates and high in fat.

How is that trolling?

Blacktie. · 02-05-2014 05:56AM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

The only statement I have made

That's why

WhyTheFace · 02-05-2014 06:00AM

Blacktie. wrote: »

That's why

Is it enough to be called a troll though?

A balanced diet is better than one without and carbs but high in fat.That's just common sense.

foxtrot101 · 02-05-2014 06:50AM

Robert Atkins weighed 18-and-a-half stone when he died.

ford2600 · 02-05-2014 08:42AM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

Is it enough to be called a troll though?

A balanced diet is better than one without and carbs but high in fat.That's just common sense.

LCHF. The "L" stands for "Low". It's a different word to "no".

WhyTheFace · 02-05-2014 09:03AM

ford2600 wrote: »

LCHF. The "L" stands for "Low". It's a different word to "no".

Nobody ever mentioned low. Just a load of waffle about inuits and no carbs whatsoever

MaceFace · 02-05-2014 09:53AM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

Nobody ever mentioned low. Just a load of waffle about inuits and no carbs whatsoever

Oh my... is there really a need to go through this all again.
Simply put, carbs are NOT necessary. You can survive on ZERO carbs quite happily.

In reality though it is almost impossible to avoid some residual, no matter how hard you try.

So rather than the nonsense about balanced diets and carbs for health benefits, can you be specific about how many carbs are required for whatever the persons goals?

WhyTheFace · 02-05-2014 10:25AM

MaceFace wrote: »

Oh my... is there really a need to go through this all again.
Simply put, carbs are NOT necessary. You can survive on ZERO carbs quite happily.

In reality though it is almost impossible to avoid some residual, no matter how hard you try.

So rather than the nonsense about balanced diets and carbs for health benefits, can you be specific about how many carbs are required for whatever the persons goals?

Again, nobody said you couldn't survive on zero carbs. But the best diet to have should incorporate some carbs, the exact amount is debatable. Without some level of carbs, the main source of fuel to drive the body, the diet is incomplete.

You can survive without washing yourself too, doesn't mean you should.

Blacktie. · 02-05-2014 10:28AM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

Again, nobody said you couldn't survive on zero carbs. But the best diet to have should incorporate some carbs, the exact amount is debatable. Without some level of carbs, the main source of fuel to drive the body, the diet is incomplete.

You can survive without washing yourself too, doesn't mean you should.

And we've repeatedly stated the main source of fuel just switches to fat. It's called going ketogenic.

ford2600 · 02-05-2014 10:34AM

On Wednesday, I had a coffee with butter/cocunut fat for breakfast at 6am.

I ate nothing for rest of day. At 7pm I got on bike for 1.5hrs of medium to high intensity workout.

Wasn't hungry all day. How do I do that on a "balanced" diet?

Some people perform better on a HFLC diet is that hard to understand

MaceFace · 02-05-2014 10:54AM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

Again, nobody said you couldn't survive on zero carbs. But the best diet to have should incorporate some carbs, the exact amount is debatable. Without some level of carbs, the main source of fuel to drive the body, the diet is incomplete.

You can survive without washing yourself too, doesn't mean you should.

Get off the fence and give a number.

WhyTheFace · 02-05-2014 10:58AM

ford2600 wrote: »

On Wednesday, I had a coffee with butter/cocunut fat for breakfast at 6am.

I ate nothing for rest of day. At 7pm I got on bike for 1.5hrs of medium to high intensity workout.

Wasn't hungry all day. How do I do that on a "balanced" diet?

Some people perform better on a HFLC diet is that hard to understand

That is absolutely ridiculous to eat nothing all day. No matter how much butter you eat for breakfast

ford2600 · 02-05-2014 11:03AM

WhyTheFace wrote: »

That is absolutely ridiculous to eat nothing all day. No matter how much butter you eat for breakfast

A teaspoon of each

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about

WhyTheFace · 02-05-2014 11:06AM

ford2600 wrote: »

A teaspoon of each

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about

This coming from someone who eats butter instead of fruit, veg, protein etc. throughout the day.

SOunds like a sound diet you got there.

Atkins I feel very sick help

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