Two men fight on the Tube

_Redzer_ · 01-05-2014 12:05PM

Completely deserved. Don't start what you can't finish.

If somebody starred punching me and then tried to go for my balls of course I'd be angry and I'd give him back everything he gave. He learned his lesson, don't start picking fights with people. More often then not it'll end up with your ass getting kicked.

Dan_Solo · 01-05-2014 12:15PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

If somebody starred punching me and then tried to go for my balls of course I'd be angry and I'd give him back everything he gave. He learned his lesson, don't start picking fights with people. More often then not it'll end up with your ass getting kicked.

The pity is that this isn't really true. The guy who kicks it all off usually comes out on top in my experience.

Jake Rugby Walrus666 · 01-05-2014 12:19PM

cabledude wrote: »

You used the plural of protagonist. That was incorrect. There was only one protagonist here. The old guy.

By protagonists I'm referring to the two involved in the fight. I wasn't trying to imply one or the other was the instigator. I'd have a fear that if I took part in the blame game, who's right who's wrong, which side I'm on that yourself and others are at I might die of boredom. I don't want to die.

Agricola · 01-05-2014 12:19PM

Fatality. If anyone was goin to break out the chop suey I thought t'id be the aul lad.

_Redzer_ · 01-05-2014 12:22PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

The pity is that this isn't really true. The guy who kicks it all off usually comes out on top in my experience.

You're probably right.
I haven't been in a huge amount of fights or witnessed a massive amount either, but from them, and just my own experience, the lad who started got his ass handed to him by the other lad when it was just one on one, not a pack of lads starting on one guy.

robinph · 01-05-2014 12:34PM

Young lad is just trying to hold the old fella back at the start, then gets up to put his stuff away as they are coming into the station presumably get off the train and away from crazy old bloke.

Old bloke then starts the punches, young fella still doesn't respond, old bloke still at it with punching him, old bloke then gets hit.

Only bit that is OTT from the young fella is the last knee. Everything else I think he handled himself well and entirely appropriately considering what was going on.

RDM_83 again · 01-05-2014 12:39PM

These responses all seem way too sensible and I am struggling to build up my outrage, try to picture the old man as woman with a weight problem and this thread should get a little more interesting :P

Allyall · 01-05-2014 12:42PM

It's in a lot of News reports. Looks like the young lad was pushing the Newspaper back into the old guys face before the video starts.

Looks to me that the only reason the young guy appears so calm, is because the old guys punches were the equivelant of a Three year olds.
He could've and should've laughed it off, the ridiculousness of it, and walked away.
To throw a couple of seriously solid punches and follow them up with a knee to the head. Fcuckin Scumbag.

Daily Rag
Metro
Evening Standard

(EDIT: - If it hadn't been in so many papers stating he was hospitalised, I was thinking it was fake, or some sort of Psychology experiment aimed at the Internet.)

cletus van damme · 01-05-2014 12:52PM

893bet wrote: »

Last kick wasnt needed. Very excessive.

Swanner wrote: »

He's an old man. Walk away with your conscience in tact. Albeit with a sore pair of gonads.

get over yourself , he was old enough to know what he was doing.

anybody who critizes the young man is a fool

He handled himself perfectly - defended himself and incapacited his attacker.

If he'd repeatedly kicking the old man in the head you'd have a point.
he walked away once the threat was neutralised.

if you've ever being subject to a street attack you'll won't be having a go at the young man

I Heart Internet · 01-05-2014 12:53PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Let not forget a woman killed a man in China by attacking him in the genitals.

Huh!? I always suspected a blow to the lads could kill, but why have we not heard more of this?

I Heart Internet · 01-05-2014 12:54PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

He handled himself perfectly - defended himself and incapacited his attacker.................

..................and then knee-ed him in the face.

Aidric · 01-05-2014 12:55PM

Agricola wrote: »

Fatality. If anyone was goin to break out the chop suey I thought t'id be the aul lad.

Should have went for a babality imo.

Allyall · 01-05-2014 12:56PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

get over yourself , he was old enough to know what he was doing.

anybody who critizes the young man is a fool

He handled himself perfectly - defended himself and incapacited his attacker.

If he'd repeatedly kicking the old man in the head you'd have a point.
he walked away once the threat was neutralised.

if you've ever being subject to a street attack you'll won't be having a go at the young man

Mr. T?

In what video did you see the old man as a "threat" that need "neutralising"?

Also, hardly a "Street Attack" and definitely didn't need the knee in the head after the 6th punch.. Pathetic more than anything .

Ray Palmer · 01-05-2014 12:57PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Huh!? I always suspected a blow to the lads could kill, but why have we not heard more of this?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/woman-faces-stiff-penalty-squeezing-man-testicles-death-article-1.1325879

What is interesting about the old man in the video is he has been arrested for common assault. It appears the police are happy that the video shows him in the wrong.

ballsymchugh · 01-05-2014 01:02PM

is it just me, or is the older man dressed like Cartman?

_Redzer_ · 01-05-2014 01:04PM

Allyall wrote: »

Mr. T?

In what video did you see the old man as a "threat" that need "neutralising"?

Also, hardly a "Street Attack" and definitely didn't need the knee in the head after the 6th punch.. Pathetic more than anything .

If someone started punching me and I held them back, but they persisted and then started going for some low blows, you can bet they're gonna get a box back from me. He's not some victim.

I'd like to see you in a situation where someone started punching you without cause. Would it be harmless and not a threat then, or would you just laugh it off and walk away?

I Heart Internet · 01-05-2014 01:04PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/woman-faces-stiff-penalty-squeezing-man-testicles-death-article-1.1325879

Shudder

cletus van damme · 01-05-2014 01:09PM

Allyall wrote: »

Mr. T?

If I was as cool or tough as Mr. T I wouldn't be here talking to you

Allyall wrote: »

In what video did you see the old man as a "threat" that need "neutralising"?

yes. yes I do. the digs to the ball bag was the clincher for me.
a dig to the nuts can easily drop somebody and that opens up a world of danger for the guy on the ground.

Allyall wrote: »

Also, hardly a "Street Attack" and definitely didn't need the knee in the head after the 6th punch.. Pathetic more than anything .

whatever. He attacked a man on the tube. He deserves it.

I Heart Internet wrote: »

..................and then knee-ed him in the face.

you'd have a point if it was repeated but it was a singular.
Guy isn't going to attack him now.
Up till the knee the older guy was still a threat.

Dan_Solo · 01-05-2014 01:14PM

Allyall wrote: »

He could've and should've laughed it off, the ridiculousness of it, and walked away.

You laugh off repeated punches in the nuts from strangers on the street? Sure!

Vision of Disorder · 01-05-2014 01:16PM

It's hard to be too conclusive in my internet judgement without seeing the very start but from what is there to be viewed the older guy is completely and wholly in the wrong. The notion that it's fine to react violently to somebody because you're old, mentally unstable or, as one poster suggested, drunk is ludicrous.

The young guy had his ipad out, I don't believe he was looking for conflict, it doesn't make much sense. He initially just tries to fend the old guy off, tries to put his ipad away, possibly to facilitate restraining his attacker (it's more likely than the lazy assumption that the older man is mentally ill), gets punched in the balls, loses his cool and lashes out. The knee looked excessive because it was so effective but to be fair to him, he stepped back as soon as that was done because, I'd presume, a) he was probably a little taken aback by how things had escalated and b) the fight that he seems not to have started was finished.

I Heart Internet · 01-05-2014 01:17PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

Up till the knee the older guy was still a threat.

The six punches, lack of hat or glasses and seated position tell a different story.

Vision of Disorder · 01-05-2014 01:18PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

The six punches, lack of hat or glasses and seated position tell a different story.

How does removing a hat make somebody more or less of a threat?

kryogen · 01-05-2014 01:20PM

Don't mind him hitting back, but the knee in the end when the guy was pretty much subdued anyway was a bit over the top, however, he did take a few smacks before responding and a punch to the sack is enough to make anyone see red and lose control momentarily

Morale of the story? Don't be acting the tit and starting on people if you don't wanna get a bit back, maybe more then you can handle

Dozen Wicked Words · 01-05-2014 01:23PM

Something was clearly going on before it came to blows, why would someone be recording them otherwise.

Allyall · 01-05-2014 01:24PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

you'd have a point if it was repeated but it was a singular.
Guy isn't going to attack him now.
Up till the knee the older guy was still a threat.

The 6 punches before the knee were repeated.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You laugh off repeated punches in the nuts from strangers on the street? Sure!

There was one punch that may have got his nuts, and another that was down lower than his knee.
The old guy is standing answering the guy across from him when the young guy blindsides him, and then continues with a flurry of another 5 punches.

That should have been enough.

There was no need for the knee to the face.

The old guy may be deranged, The young guy may be his neighbour/Son/Transexual Daughter. We didn't see the start of the incident, but we did see the end. And imo, the younger guy could have stopped after the 6 punches.

Dan_Solo · 01-05-2014 01:26PM

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Something was clearly going on before it came to blows, why would someone be recording them otherwise.

On the tube loads of people have their phones out messing all the way through the journey. Would only take a second to go to video record TBH.

Dan_Solo · 01-05-2014 01:27PM

Allyall wrote: »

The old guy may be deranged, The young guy may be his neighbour/Son/Transexual Daughter.

Wha?

punisher5112 · 01-05-2014 01:28PM

I had something similar happen in Dublin city.
Now it was in the street but alcoholic was going around throwing digs now he wouldn't have been able to punch his way out of a paper bag.

I found it quite funny as he would try get people walking by who were too busy to see him and the reactions was funny

Allyall · 01-05-2014 01:29PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Wha?

I just meant we have no idea what went on before.

The few crap slaps I saw from the old man, would not have me risking paralysing him/killing him/breaking his neck etc.. also resulting with me spending a long time in prison.

Fries-With-That · 01-05-2014 01:30PM

I would love to know what was going on before the old man started throwing punches.

If you look at the first image before clicking play he has a pen in his hand and is clearly on the crossword page of his paper.

We don't know what caused the reaction from the old man it could well have been instigated by the younger guy...we don't have all the information to hand.

Whatever was going on was enough to alert cam guy that something was going to kick off as he had time to get phone out and start recording.

Two men fight on the Tube

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