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The Hazards of Belief

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  • #4922
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Bellatori wrote: »
    JPII (that supporter and very close friend of Benny the paedo protector) already has one miracle to his name. He only needs two and he becomes a saint.. In the old days before he changed the rule this would have counted against him as it is clearly God saying a big thumbs down. So are they going to insist of a 2 goal lead or are they going to ignore this own goal?

    My guess is the latter. Well why not...? They made Caligula a god!

    Wait, can you elaborate on the bit that I've bolded?

    I wonder if he'll become an unofficial patron saint of paedophiles on the run.


  • #4923
    Bellatori
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭Bellatori


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Wait, can you elaborate on the bit that I've bolded?

    I wonder if he'll become an unofficial patron saint of paedophiles on the run.

    My understanding is that JPII changed the rules for beatification. At one time there was a devil's advocate mainly to prevent spurious claims and also the number of certified miracles was greater.

    The whole thing is in this article. I am somewhat limited in the way I can suggest links!

    vatileaks.com/_blog/Vati_Leaks/post/How_Pope_John_Paul_II_organized_his_own_sainthood/

    you will need to add the www.

    "The question to be answered is this; ‘If John Paul II had not abolished the office of Devil’s advocate, would he have ever been beatified?’ The answer is NO and the reasons are revealed in ‘Pope John Paul II’s Dark Secrets’, an upcoming book"


  • #4924
    Bellatori
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭Bellatori


    Today JPII becomes a fast track saint - apparently Pope Francis waived the need for a second miracle. This is the main story on Radio 4, in the UK, program Sunday. Fetch me a bucket.

    Well at least paedophiles have someone to pray to for intercession. I wonder if Pope Benny will be put in charge of the records and filing system in Heaven when he gets there... ? That should see them sorted then. I doubt the UN secretariat for children are going to get in...

    Apparently the Vatican justification for JPII is that Saints aren't perfect he was just very Holy. It sort of puts the Vatican view of paedophile priests into perspective. It is just like a slight case of bad breath. They simply needed to use better toothpaste.


  • #4925
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Bellatori wrote: »
    Today JPII becomes a fast track saint - apparently Pope Francis waived the need for a second miracle. This is the main story on Radio 4, in the UK, program Sunday. Fetch me a bucket.

    Apparently they waived the need for the first as well..


  • #4926
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    It is interesting though that they are downgrading the miracle requirement. The whole idea of a "certified miracle" is getting a bit outdated nowadays, even laughable. In medieval times, a scroll handwritten and sealed with hot wax by an important rich guy wearing a big hat was really something. Nowadays, not so much. People want explanations, and reasons for things.

    I notice they are emphasizing that these ex-popes were "really good people" and that's why they deserve to be saints (as if there weren't millions of other really good people in the world) They don't dwell too much on the actual miracles, whereas back in the old days, the miracles would have been the main event.

    In a few decades, mainstream religion will probably just say that the miracles were metaphors. Like Noah's ark.


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  • #4927
    Bellatori
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭Bellatori


    Gbear wrote: »
    Apparently they waived the need for the first as well..

    What I heard on the radio this morning was that a woman was believed to have had a potentially life threatening brain disorder. She kept a picture of JPII above the TV and somehow it told her that she was cured. She rushed to the priest and lo and behold she did not have a life threatening brain disorder. Its a miracle.

    The important sentences that I noted in the broadcast were

    was believed to have had

    and also

    potentially life threatening.

    So there you go. And now he's a saint. You have to laugh...


  • #4928
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Will Sunday be called off?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27145931

    John Paul II crucifix crushes man in northern Italy

    I guess it was a "miracle" that nobody else died in the "accident"?


  • #4929
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Bellatori wrote: »
    What I heard on the radio this morning was that a woman was believed to have had a potentially life threatening brain disorder. She kept a picture of JPII above the TV and somehow it told her that she was cured. She rushed to the priest and lo and behold she did not have a life threatening brain disorder. Its a miracle.

    When I first heard about the Patron St. of Paedophiles being beatified (last step before priesthood), the "miracle" being used to jusitify it was straight out of Pat Robertson's 700 Club TV show "curings", i.e. a nun in southern Italy (no other identificiations) was cured of cancer of the colon (IIRC) because she prayed to Karol. So basically they know they've nothing to go on, and are just making **** up now.


  • #4930
    pauldla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭pauldla


    Not that cracked.com is the most reputable source of information on the internet, but I thought that this might make an interesting addition to the Hazards.


    5 Insane Lessons from My Christian Fundamentalist Childhood

    The Quiverfull Movement, eh? Do I remember Robert Graves making a joke in Goodbye to All That about the Hebrew quiver only holding six arrows?


  • #4931
    Bellatori
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭Bellatori


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    When I first heard about the Patron St. of Paedophiles being beatified (last step before priesthood), the "miracle" being used to jusitify it was straight out of Pat Robertson's 700 Club TV show "curings", i.e. a nun in southern Italy (no other identificiations) was cured of cancer of the colon (IIRC) because she prayed to Karol. So basically they know they've nothing to go on, and are just making **** up now.

    I know they were cod stats but I did post a back of the fag packet calculation that showed, on average, somewhere in the world c. 50 RCCs will recover spontaneously from cancer. The rate will be exactly the same as the rest of us. Rarely but sometimes the home team wins one. 'It is a miracle'. Well I suppose it is on the same basis that sometimes a non-league club beats someone in the premier league. Rare.. yes, a miracle... I suppose... an act of God... hardly.


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  • #4932
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Bellatori wrote: »
    Rare.. yes, a miracle... I suppose... an act of God... hardly.

    It's not even a miracle, because a miracle means the suspension of natural laws to ensure an event happening. Spontaneous remission from cancer is a perfectly natural, albeit highly unlikely, occurence.


  • #4933
    Bellatori
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭Bellatori


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    It's not even a miracle, because a miracle means the suspension of natural laws to ensure an event happening. Spontaneous remission from cancer is a perfectly natural, albeit highly unlikely, occurence.

    True... the odds are, so I believe, about 1:60k for remission so definitely I would keep taking the chemo and radio...

    because JPII is now the patron saint of child abusers on the run will he be depicted wearing a pair of Spaedos?!


  • #4934
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Scientific Womens Health advice, complete with medical terminology
    http://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/clueless-actress-alicia-silverstone-advises-women-to-ditch-tampons-30224439.html


  • #4935
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Nodin wrote: »
    Scientific Womens Health advice, complete with medical terminology
    http://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/clueless-actress-alicia-silverstone-advises-women-to-ditch-tampons-30224439.html

    Chichi ????! No Alicia, just no. Go away.


  • #4936
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,591 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    This just shows how much disrespect people from a religion of peace and love have for other faiths

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/04/28/palin-to-the-gallery/

    In a speech at an NRA (National Rifle Association) event yesterday, one-time vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin (not Tina Fey) said with regard to America’s enemies:
    “If I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptise terrorists.”


  • #4937
    SebBerkovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭SebBerkovich


    At this point, Palin's just some crazy person that equally crazy people used to listen to. Sooner we all just ignore her trolling the better the world will be i think.


  • #4938
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Obliq wrote: »
    Chichi ????! No Alicia, just no. Go away.

    That was, I have to say, a new one on me. Obviously I need at least a basic medical dictionary.


  • #4939
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Nodin wrote: »
    That was, I have to say, a new one on me. Obviously I need at least a basic medical dictionary.

    When you get one, look up hoo-ha as well, will you? Was planning on telling her to stick it up one or the other, but am not sure which is the correct term for the job.....


  • #4940
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Obliq wrote: »
    When you get one, look up hoo-ha as well, will you? Was planning on telling her to stick it up one or the other, but am not sure which is the correct term for the job.....

    Yes, though I guarantee nothing. This is Knowledge Not Meant For Man. Or women, so it seems.


  • #4941
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    SebBerkovich wrote: »
    At this point, Palin's just some crazy person that equally crazy people used to listen to. Sooner we all just ignore her trolling the better the world will be i think.

    The problem is that those equally crazy people aren't going anywhere fast, thanks to der Reichsminister für Volksaufklarung und Propaganda Murdoch.


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  • #4942
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Islamic fundamentalists appear to have tried to take control of a number of schools in Birmingham:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-26482599

    Concerns about islamicization of UK schools were first raised almost twenty years ago and have been rejected by one of the alleged ringleaders.

    Is this four-page letter, or the 72-page document available anywhere?


  • #4943
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    More a positive and a little late and apologies if already mentioned. The IMO overwhelmingly rejected a motion to remove fluoridation from water. Damn sheeple. :mad:


  • #4944
    obplayer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭obplayer


    Turtwig wrote: »
    More a positive and a little late and apologies if already mentioned. The IMO overwhelmingly rejected a motion to remove fluoridation from water. Damn sheeple. :mad:

    Genuinely curious, what is your opposition to fluoridation?


  • #4945
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,441 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    obplayer wrote: »
    Genuinely curious, what is your opposition to fluoridation?

    You might want to check the old sarcasm meter!

    :D


  • #4946
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    obplayer wrote: »
    Genuinely curious, what is your opposition to fluoridation?

    It's not diluted enough to be effective.


  • #4947
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,539 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It's not diluted enough to be effective.
    Aw0s3G6CAAIZG8B.jpg:large


  • #4948
    obplayer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭obplayer


    endacl wrote: »
    You might want to check the old sarcasm meter!

    :D

    Oops...


  • #4949
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It's not diluted enough to be effective.

    Oh yeah, as any fule kno, flouride needs to be diluted in a solution of 300C at least before it becomes effective. Sure, any stoned hippy will tell you that.


  • #4950
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    An Irish engineer dates a US fundamentalist. Things do not go very well.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90194828


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  • #4951
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,591 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    robindch wrote: »
    An Irish engineer dates a US fundamentalist. Things do not go very well.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90194828

    thats pretty messed up


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