Tallaght pallet hut fire child murder case today.

El Weirdo · 02-11-2012 02:52PM

repsol wrote: »

What would you call them?

Do we have to call them anything at all? Even if we did, do you not think that "do-gooders" is a ridiculous label?

repsol wrote: »

Do you think the majority in Ireland are pro/anti death penalty?

I don't know. I'd like to think that most people could actually *think* about what they're calling for when they shout for the return of capital punishment. But then, what do the general public really know, eh? Look at how many people watch X-Factor and look at the idiots they vote into power at every election.

repsol wrote: »

What do you suggest we do with these animals?

Well I'm pretty sure that killing them just so people feel better about themselves is not the way.

OurLadyofKnock · 02-11-2012 02:53PM

repsol wrote: »

What would you call them? Do you think the majority in Ireland are pro/anti death penalty? What do you suggest we do with these animals? I am not proposing the death penalty for stealing or fraud. I am suggesting it for people who kill children,people who carry out premeditated murder,serial sex offenders and paedos.You might not like/agree with my views,but at least I am not afraid to speak out unlike others

Seems to me the poor are the ones who always get it - no different that non-capital murder cases. To me, this is the main argument against it. That it is nearly class based on who gets to live or die and lots of innocent people have been given the death penalty.

Too risky to have the death penalty - so count me out.

repsol · 02-11-2012 02:54PM

Dodge wrote: »

If the majority are pro death penalty, then why isn't it legal? The majority votes people in, doesn't it? If it was "overwhelmingly" supported by everyone but the minority do -gooders (as you suggest), why doesn't any political party put it on the agenda?

Did we get to vote on the subject?.I must have missed that.We only get to vote on treaties which are a waste of time because they just have another vote if they lose(Nice Treaty for example)

K.Flyer · 02-11-2012 02:58PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The only conspiracy i could see in this case is that the man in question was
***a grumpy old boll*x ***
that couldn't get his sleep with a few kids making noise in a make shift hut so he decided to take the law into his own hands and torch the place.

***
Not so... He was never far from trouble.

http://www.herald.ie/news/boost-for-gardai-as-drugs-trio-get-stiff-jail-terms-2816517.html

and

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-24924450.html

and

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/1996/1119/96111900028.html

Dodge · 02-11-2012 02:59PM

repsol wrote: »

Did we get to vote on the subject?.I must have missed that.We only get to vote on treaties which are a waste of time because they just have another vote if they lose(Nice Treaty for example)

You vote on everything at general election time. if it was as popular as you believe, a political party would propose it.

MagicSean · 02-11-2012 03:08PM

allibastor wrote: »

Why woudl you even do something so ****ed up as to burn a kids hut down with them in it. I just ****ing hate being a human sometimes, you know that. I firmly beleive some people just need to be put to death, **** all the "oh he must have his own trouble" lot, if a person makes a decision which ends in someones death, they should have the same inflicted on them.

Did he know there were kids in it?

allibastor · 02-11-2012 03:12PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Did he know there were kids in it?

Dont know, Didnt ask him, but the fact he went there once, ten went back to it would suggest it was not just a fleeting act, that he must have put some thought into the actual doing of it, so it would be fair to surmise that if he needed to out thought it to do the damage, would he not have thought to check the place before lighting a fire.

gurramok · 02-11-2012 03:25PM

K.Flyer wrote: »

***
Not so... He was never far from trouble.

http://www.herald.ie/news/boost-for-gardai-as-drugs-trio-get-stiff-jail-terms-2816517.html

and

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-24924450.html

and

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/1996/1119/96111900028.html

Jeez if that's the same fella, we really need a 3 strikes and your out policy.

K.Flyer · 02-11-2012 03:28PM

gurramok wrote: »

Jeez if that's the same fella, we really need a 3 strikes and your out policy.

It is the same person.

Ellis Dee · 02-11-2012 03:30PM

repsol wrote: »

Makes a good argument for bringing back the death penalty.I reckon if they had a vote today it would be voted in overwhelmingly.They won't have a vote because the do-gooder minority have too much say and make up a large portion of the media and politicians.How in the name of God were 2 kids aged 12 and 14 allowed out all night in a makeshift hut in a laneway?Terrible!

I gave you a "thanks" for that, because I couldn't find the "groan" button.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Odysseus · 02-11-2012 03:42PM

allibastor wrote: »

it was just the pointless comment of do we need more bad-dooers that had me say it.
and it is kind of getting to a point where it should be either or, people are doing horrific things and getting off with it cause some doctor from Foxrock says they must have had a bad upbringing and should not be accoutntable.

I'm not a doctor and I'm not based in foxrock; however, I do spend a good bit of my time with people who break the law, ranging from mild to quite severe. I often have to write court reports [I dislike this part of my job, but only as it intrudes on the relationship I have with the client]. No body ever writes reports stating that a person is not accountable from what they did, we write various things but we do not say let a person off.

The nearest to that would be where a person is mentally unstable and they get locked away for both their own protection and the protection of the public. Most of the time we are asked by the courts about how a person engages in treatment, or a psychiatrist may be asked if the person if mentally capable of standing trial.

Writing reports for the courts do not equate wanting people not to be punished for their crimes.

gurramok · 02-11-2012 03:44PM

K.Flyer wrote: »

It is the same person.

Then

1995 - 3 yr sentence
1996 - 4 yr sentence
2001 - alleged offence
2011 - 14 yrs sentence
2012 - Arrested outside Dublin District court.

Did this guy go to jail at all? :eek:

Guy:Incognito · 02-11-2012 03:46PM

Is a condition of being in the EU not that we cant bring back the death penalty either way?

K.Flyer · 02-11-2012 03:53PM

gurramok wrote: »

Then

1995 - 3 yr sentence
1996 - 4 yr sentence
2001 - alleged offence
2011 - 14 yrs sentence
2012 - Arrested outside Dublin District court.

Did this guy go to jail at all? :eek:

Sure thats the Irish Judicial maths system

Typically..
4 years for one thing
3 years for another
Running concurrently
= 4 years sentance
= 3 years prison with 1 suspended
= out after 2. ??

gurramok · 02-11-2012 04:13PM

K.Flyer wrote: »

Sure thats the Irish Judicial maths system

Typically..
4 years for one thing
3 years for another
Running concurrently
= 4 years sentance
= 3 years prison with 1 suspended
= out after 2. ??

So if this fella received a consecutive sentence for his crimes, he would have been in jail in 2001 hence a child's death avoided.:mad:

charlemont · 02-11-2012 04:17PM

I'm shocked that a man of his age could do that to two defenceless children. Scum. I hope he gets a horrid time in prison.

MattHelders · 02-11-2012 04:19PM

Horrible, horrible thing to do. Disgusting

But I must question why a 12 year was sleeping in a field at 5 a.m?

eviltwin · 02-11-2012 04:22PM

MattHelders wrote: »

Horrible, horrible thing to do. Disgusting

But I must question why a 12 year was sleeping in a field at 5 a.m?

It was a well known haunt for local kids, they used it as a sort of club house. Afaik he had told his parents he was staying in a friends house and at the last minute decided to sleep in the hut. I read an interview with his mother years after his death and his family are just broken. I would say they regret not making him stay at home that night every single day. I really hope they finally get justice.

turbotomie · 13-03-2013 06:20PM

where the hut was located was a popular spot for kids in the area, the other boy had a very luck escape.
Allegedly, Dermot Griffin was using the lane way leading to the hut to deal drugs and set fire to the hut to try stop the kids using the lane as it was his 'spot'. Afaik he didn't realise there was kids in the hut, but if he wasn't such a scumbag he wouldn't have any business in the lane.

Dermot Griffins criminal life dates back to way before the 1995 incident posted here, i know for a fact that he has been in and out of prison since the early 1980's.

this is Dermots brother
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-charged-in-connection-with-fatal-stabbing-438660.html

Gatling · 13-03-2013 07:50PM

The hut was up against a local shop ,my brother lives near it ,the family won't allow the shop to reopen according to some and lays derelict

K.Flyer · 31-03-2013 04:49PM

Evening Herald 07/03/2013

07 March 2013 10:40 AM
A MAN will go on trial next year accused of killing an 11-year-old boy over a decade ago.
Dermot Griffin (53) of Ballyfermot Road, Ballyfermot, indicated at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court that he will plead not guilty to the manslaughter of Stephen Hughes Connors at Rossfield Avenue, Tallaght, on September 1, 2001.
The boy and his 14-year-old friend were sleeping in a wooden clubhouse when it caught fire at around 5am. Stephen was trapped inside, while his friend escaped.
Judge Mary Ellen Ring set a trial date of April 28.

K.Flyer · 30-04-2014 04:15PM

From the RTE News Web Site today..
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0430/614049-stephen-hughes-death-tallaght/?noredirection=true

The trial has begun of a 54-year-old man accused of the manslaughter of a 12-year-old boy in a fire in Dublin almost 13 years ago.

MonstaMash · 30-04-2014 04:22PM

anncoates wrote: »

Remember the case well. Hard to believe it was 11 years ago. For some reason, I thought it was in Killiinrden and not Brookfield.

It was neither, it was in Rossfield beside the old shop.

30-04-2014 04:26PM

As this is a case which is currently before the courts, we are prohibited from allowing discussion of same.

Tallaght pallet hut fire child murder case today.

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