Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

bumper234 · 23-04-2014 08:03AM

Licence application has gone in.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/entertainment/garth-brooks-promoters-apply-for-licence-628557.html

Organisers of the Garth Brooks concerts have finally submitted a planning application for the gigs.

The five sold-out concerts are due to take place at Croke Park in July.

According to the Herald, the promoters Aiken sent in an event licence application to Dublin City Council on April 17.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-04-2014 08:33AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Licence application has gone in.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/entertainment/garth-brooks-promoters-apply-for-licence-628557.html

How long does it take before it's approved or rejected usually? Even roughly?

bumper234 · 23-04-2014 08:35AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

How long does it take before it's approved or rejected usually? Even roughly?

According to the Herald, the promoters Aiken sent in an event licence application to Dublin City Council on April 17.

That means that interested parties including locals protesting about the concerts have until May 21 to make submissions.

Not sure how long after the submission deadline until licence granted/refused.

OldGoat · 28-04-2014 10:51AM

Still no sign of the application on the Councils website.

http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPCRITERIA.display

Smidge · 28-04-2014 02:30PM

When will they need to have submitted it by?

Mal-Adjusted · 28-04-2014 02:38PM

Am I the only one who thinks it's daft to have concerts advertised on t.v. and tickets already sold for to only now be applying for permission to hold them? What happens if, in theory, permission is rejected, does the organizer have to reimburse everyone who bought a ticket?

bumper234 · 28-04-2014 02:42PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks it's daft to have concerts advertised on t.v. and tickets already sold for to only now be applying for permission to hold them? What happens if, in theory, permission is rejected, does the organizer have to reimburse everyone who bought a ticket?

Basically, Yes.

OldGoat · 28-04-2014 03:14PM

Tickets were sold "subject to license". It's common practice when permission is assumed will go with out a hitch. However in this case the promoters are trying to modify a previous grant of permission by holding events on more than the 3 permissible occasions.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-04-2014 03:57PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks it's daft to have concerts advertised on t.v. and tickets already sold for to only now be applying for permission to hold them? What happens if, in theory, permission is rejected, does the organizer have to reimburse everyone who bought a ticket?

If you work for the promoter and thought it was daft, then yes - you'd be the only one. Outside of the promoter, though, everyone does. Even taking into account OldGoat's post below, about being subject to license, as....

OldGoat wrote: »

Tickets were sold "subject to license". It's common practice when permission is assumed will go with out a hitch. However in this case the promoters are trying to modify a previous grant of permission by holding events on more than the 3 permissible occasions.

... this is hardly a situation where it can be assumed that permission would be granted withotu a hitch.

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 29-04-2014 10:46AM

More tickets going on sale on Friday. Pack em in lads!

mrsbyrne · 29-04-2014 05:18PM

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

More tickets going on sale on Friday. Pack em in lads!

Anyone who buys a ticket now must have been living under a rock for the last 3 months

bumper234 · 29-04-2014 06:03PM

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

More tickets going on sale on Friday. Pack em in lads!

All the more people to disappoint.

29-04-2014 06:18PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Anyone who buys a ticket now must have been living under a rock for the last 3 months

Why?

bumper234 wrote: »

All the more people to disappoint.

I think it's a pretty clear indication that all concerts will be going ahead as planned (as expected all along by most).

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-04-2014 06:18PM

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

More tickets going on sale on Friday. Pack em in lads!

They must have been guaranteed permission and been told before any official announcement.

circular flexing · 29-04-2014 06:22PM

The license will be granted, but with conditions.

The license won't be refused, because if they did refuse it, it would mean the end of outdoor concerts in Dublin city because no promoter would run the risk of having a license application rejected. At the end of the day, concerts like this generate a lot of money for the local economy and it's in a city's best interests to allow them to go ahead as best as possible.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-04-2014 06:32PM

circular flexing wrote: »

The license will be granted, but with conditions.

The license won't be refused, because if they did refuse it, it would mean the end of outdoor concerts in Dublin city because no promoter would run the risk of having a license application rejected. At the end of the day, concerts like this generate a lot of money for the local economy and it's in a city's best interests to allow them to go ahead as best as possible.

... Then why sign up to the original agreement?

Would be interesting to see what the 'conditions' are.

circular flexing · 29-04-2014 06:41PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

... Then why sign up to the original agreement?

Would be interesting to see what the 'conditions' are.

I would seriously doubt that the agreement has any legal standing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-04-2014 06:47PM

circular flexing wrote: »

I would seriously doubt that the agreement has any legal standing.

Agree, but again: why agree to it?

chinguetti · 29-04-2014 06:58PM

circular flexing wrote: »

I would seriously doubt that the agreement has any legal standing.

A signed agreement between both parties that they entered into freely with copies held by both sides - if thats not an agreement that has no legal standing, well then most contracts in the country are wrong.

If the agreement doesn't exist, why did Peter McKenna stand up at a meeting a couple of months ago and said that they were ignoring the agreement as times had changed (I'm paraphrasing from memory)?

And no, I haven't seen the contract but I've spoken to 3 different people who have and I doubt they are all lying. Everyone knows that they won't cancel the contracts as there would be major problems as any event sells tickets prior to getting a licence so no one would take the chance.

The question that really will decide all this is will the RA have the money to fight this in court.

And I'm not a member of any RA but I live in the area around Croke Park.

OldGoat · 30-04-2014 10:42AM

circular flexing wrote: »

The license will be granted, but with conditions.

The license won't be refused, because if they did refuse it, it would mean the end of outdoor concerts in Dublin city because no promoter would run the risk of having a license application rejected. At the end of the day, concerts like this generate a lot of money for the local economy and it's in a city's best interests to allow them to go ahead as best as possible.

That is just your wishful thinking.

There is a precedent for planning permission being refused for altering the original conditions of An Bord Pleanala Planning Permission Register Reference No. 0238/92 (the original permission that stipulates only 3 extra events per annum).

To believe that "lot of money for the local economy" is the pivot on which the permission will be granted is naive at best.

As of this morning I can still find no reference to an application for planning to the Council for "Croke Park" or "Pairc an Chrocaigh Teoranta" therefore no observations (objections or support) can have been placed.

circular flexing · 30-04-2014 11:11AM

OldGoat wrote: »

That is just your wishful thinking.

There is a precedent for planning permission being refused for altering the original conditions of An Bord Pleanala Planning Permission Register Reference No. 0238/92 (the original permission that stipulates only 3 extra events per annum).

I can't find that particular decision, but does it preclude Croke Park from applying for permission from extra events outside of that planning permission?My understanding is that only 3 events can be held under that permission and any extra can be applied for as needed. It does not prevent Croke Park from having more than 3.

OldGoat · 30-04-2014 11:18AM

Yep, exactly. Three events is a given and any more need to be applied for. Residents in the area have no say for the first 3 events but they can object and subsequent applications.

Santa Cruz · 30-04-2014 11:27AM

chinguetti wrote: »

A signed agreement between both parties that they entered into freely with copies held by both sides - if thats not an agreement that has no legal standing, well then most contracts in the country are wrong.

If the agreement doesn't exist, why did Peter McKenna stand up at a meeting a couple of months ago and said that they were ignoring the agreement as times had changed (I'm paraphrasing from memory)?

And no, I haven't seen the contract but I've spoken to 3 different people who have and I doubt they are all lying. Everyone knows that they won't cancel the contracts as there would be major problems as any event sells tickets prior to getting a licence so no one would take the chance.

The question that really will decide all this is will the RA have the money to fight this in court.

And I'm not a member of any RA but I live in the area around Croke Park.

Not every resident in the Croke Park area is against the concerts. Ask any of the taxi drivers/street traders etc. living in the area and they welcome the business

bumper234 · 30-04-2014 11:37AM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Not every resident in the Croke Park area is against the concerts. Ask any of the taxi drivers/street traders etc. living in the area and they welcome the business

My friend (taxi driver) lives in Ballybough and is dreading it because of the disruption it causes him and his family.

Macy0161 · 30-04-2014 11:37AM

circular flexing wrote: »

The license won't be refused, because if they did refuse it, it would mean the end of outdoor concerts in Dublin city because no promoter would run the risk of having a license application rejected.

No it wouldn't - Croke Park could have 3, Lansdowne Road could have 3, OPW could apply for the Park etc.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-04-2014 11:40AM

OldGoat wrote: »

Yep, exactly. Three events is a given and any more need to be applied for. Residents in the area have no say for the first 3 events but they can object and subsequent applications.

If that's the case, then the residents are insane for agreeing. Should surely have seen that more coming?

chinguetti · 30-04-2014 11:49AM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Not every resident in the Croke Park area is against the concerts. Ask any of the taxi drivers/street traders etc. living in the area and they welcome the business

Where do I say I'm against the concerts? I'm not too bothered actually about the concerts as I'm far enough away from the venue to have my life largely unaffected.

What i do think is that Croke Park/GAA have tried to do a quick one and ignored a signed agreement.

JRant · 30-04-2014 11:53AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

If that's the case, then the residents are insane for agreeing. Should surely have seen that more coming?

AFAIK it's the same type of agreement as the Aviva stadium have to adhere to. The difference being the Aviva know the residents will gladly drag them through the courts if they tried to pull this bullcrap on them.

The residents around CP must surely know that this is the only way to deal with them now. Diplomacy and mutual agreements have failed utterly thanks to CP disgraceful attitude.

end of the road · 30-04-2014 02:12PM

JRant wrote: »

the Aviva know the residents will gladly drag them through the courts if they tried to pull this bullcrap on them.

i'd doubt it, the celtic tiger is over even for this lot

JRant wrote: »

The residents around CP must surely know that this is the only way to deal with them now.

as long as the tax payer isn't giving them legal aid and they aren't taking money from their childrens mouths to pay for it

bumper234 · 30-04-2014 02:14PM

end of the road wrote: »

i'd doubt it, the celtic tiger is over even for this lot

as long as the tax payer isn't giving them legal aid and they aren't taking money from their childrens mouths to pay for it

Like the garty fans who are taking money from their childrens mouths so the can buy tickets, travel to Dublin and drink all night :rolleyes:

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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