Season 4 Episode 4 "Oathkeeper": HAVE read the books

Burt Macklin · 29-04-2014 01:54PM

"Sometimes it is best to fight injustice with mercy" said the wisest Knight in the entire world.

"Nah, fcuk it, I want to make these people really hate me."

longhalloween · 29-04-2014 02:23PM

Burt Macklin wrote: »

"Sometimes it is best to fight injustice with mercy" said the wisest Knight in the entire world.

"Nah, fcuk it, I want to make these people really hate me."

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 29-04-2014 02:28PM

kellso81 wrote: »

Has there ever been confirmation that they'll be in the show. I remember hearing rumours Victarion and Euron being merged and having a less significant role? They had been introduced by this stage in the books, hadn't they? It's hard enough to remember the books without all the deviations in the show confusing things even further :P

I don't think they were introduced at this stage in the books. It will have to be soon though. I remember a lot of swash buckling adventures happening very quickly in the books with a lot of pirate chapters coming close together. I may be making that up though. Anyway key point, we want pirates.

Sleepy · 29-04-2014 02:43PM

I've always read them as being Vikings rather than Pirates...

Mickeroo · 29-04-2014 02:50PM

Yea I thought folks were on about Salladhor Saan.

bobbyg · 29-04-2014 03:48PM

Jon can't really be the one to save Bran can he? He would hardly save him then let him go north.

Also they still haven't introduced Mance's son, will that be this season.

29-04-2014 04:01PM

kellso81 wrote: »

Has there ever been confirmation that they'll be in the show. I remember hearing rumours Victarion and Euron being merged and having a less significant role? They had been introduced by this stage in the books, hadn't they? It's hard enough to remember the books without all the deviations in the show confusing things even further :P

no no no no no :mad: if they take victarion and euron im gona throw a hissy fit why must they take out so many great characters thank god i know we have the red viper at least

Duckworth_Luas · 29-04-2014 04:08PM

So Locke is going north of the Wall with Jon.

Both he and Karl made reference to losing body parts as payment for crimes committed. Locke however has yet to pay for his crimes.

Karl appears as big a psycho as it's possible to get in Westeros. Zero morals and hardly beyond mutilating a man. He's also appears anxious to keep the wolf fed.

What are the chances that he captures Locke, removes a body part and feeds it to the direwolves? A re-imagining of Vargo Hoat's fate in the books?

:eek: Have I been watching too much Game of Thrones?

Gbear · 29-04-2014 04:13PM

I don't really get how Locke could convince Jon he's from the Stormlands given that he'd know house Locke are sworn to the Dreadfort.
And that he's a northerner.

PopePalpatine · 29-04-2014 04:19PM

It's likely that Jon might not have been as well educated as the Stark children. IIRC there was a scene, either in season 1 or 2 where Bran was being taught the various houses of the North to prepare him to rule in Robb's place, and given that Jon won't get to rule Winterfell it might have been unnecessary to teach him.

Witcher · 29-04-2014 04:19PM

Gbear wrote: »

I don't really get how Locke could convince Jon he's from the Stormlands given that he'd know house Locke are sworn to the Dreadfort.
And that he's a northerner.

Locke isn't from a noble house, he's just a man at arms.

There's a House Locke in the books but it's not sworn to the Boltons.

December2012 · 29-04-2014 04:34PM

bopper wrote: »

Well if Penny didn't appear at Joffrey's wedding then we know she won't appear until next series. I think it makes sense that they wouldn't feature her in that episode because there was so much going on anyway, trying to introduce another character might have been a bit much, especially one who won't appear again for the whole series.

I think Penny was Robb Stark in the War of the Five Kings display. You never saw "his" head.

Gbear · 29-04-2014 04:57PM

Blay wrote: »

Locke isn't from a noble house, he's just a man at arms.

There's a House Locke in the books but it's not sworn to the Boltons.

Yeah. I was puzzled because it says on the wiki that House Locke is sworn to the Boltons but I assumed that meant they were their direct underlings. It just refers to the Boltons being the Overlords of the North.

They're actually from the same bracket as all the other noble houses.

He could be from house Locke. If he was one of the lesser sons it's not inconceivable that he'd take up service in a house just up the road.
Lord, Castellan and the likes are the only titles up north, by and large. You wouldn't expect him to be a "Ser".

Although he probably ruled that out that in this episode when he referred to Thorne as highborn, which would imply Locke isn't.

PopePalpatine wrote: »

It's likely that Jon might not have been as well educated as the Stark children. IIRC there was a scene, either in season 1 or 2 where Bran was being taught the various houses of the North to prepare him to rule in Robb's place, and given that Jon won't get to rule Winterfell it might have been unnecessary to teach him.

The suggestion from Jon's flashbacks is that they did everything together because they were the same age.

I'd say Jon sat in on all the lessons Robb had, just the same as they learned how to fight together.

I can't imagine Ned would want to exclude him and, unlike the girls, it doesn't seem like Cat had much influence in raising the boys.

mrkite77 · 29-04-2014 06:56PM

Noopti wrote: »

Public apology.... :rolleyes:

He owes Theon Greyjoy a pubic apology.

RobbingBandit · 29-04-2014 07:25PM

longhalloween wrote: »

HAIL HYDRA!

Take out Targaryen and put in Greyjoy if you wanna go Hailing Hydra.

30-04-2014 01:02AM

Noopti wrote: »

http://m.imgur.com/a/2DtPH

This does a good job at explaining it. Although it could easily be construed from it that Margaery is involved, based on the subsequent scenes in the latest episode it is obvious she wasn't. She just innocently placed the cup on her Grandmothers table, giving her the perfect opportunity to place the poison. Even if she hadn't placed the cup there - it is a wedding feast. They would all get drunker and drunker and of course there would be plenty of opportunities to place the poison in his cup at some stage. The Queen of Thorns is a wily auld woman.

That doesn't explain shìt, the only way she could have put the strangler in is if she got up and moved 5 feet. People seem to have convinced themselves that the cup was placed in front of Olenna but at the time the camera lingered on her when Marge put it down it was on the bride and grooms table. Would have been very obvious to a lot of people if not any at the high table what happened if Olenna was to put it in at that time. What if Margaery had then drank the wine? It doesn't make sense to me, probably just more bad direction though.

Rosy Posy · 30-04-2014 05:56AM

celica00 wrote: »

that's embarrassing now but I read the book ages ago and forgot how Slynt is involved? Im just not good with names ha

Janos Slynt was commander of the City Watch at KL (the gold cloaks). Ned asked Littlefinger to buy their support for when he revealed that Joffery was not Roberts son and deposed him, but he was counter bribed with a Lordship (and Harrenhall in the books, not sure if it went down like that in the tv show) by the Lannisters and so ended up capturing Ned instead. If Slynt and Littlefinger had kept their word to Ned then Joffery would have been deposed, Ned would have taken the throne for Stannis and kept his head. Slynt's desire for a lordship effectively cost Ned his head. Afaik Jon Snow doesn't know this. In the book Tyrion sends Slynt to the wall, I'm not entirely sure why but he's definitely loyal to Cersei.

Daith · 30-04-2014 07:31AM

Liam O wrote: »

That doesn't explain shìt, the only way she could have put the strangler in is if she got up and moved 5 feet. People seem to have convinced themselves that the cup was placed in front of Olenna but at the time the camera lingered on her when Marge put it down it was on the bride and grooms table. Would have been very obvious to a lot of people if not any at the high table what happened if Olenna was to put it in at that time.

They were all a bit distracted at the time. Maybe Olenna shuffled up to get a closer look at the commotion and shuffled back. Or she's an excellent thrower. Does it matter?

Liam O wrote: »

What if Margaery had then drank the wine?

Why would she drink from the Kings cup?

Liam O wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to me, probably just more bad direction though.

It's essentially what happened in the books though. It makes more sense than Aegon (if that who he really is) being alive.

GerB40 · 30-04-2014 08:14AM

longhalloween wrote: »

Someone said in a previous thread he was going to get romantic with Dany too.

Dany and Missandei? Grey Worm you slút... He has nayra bollóx i.e he's been neutered, how could he have these feelings towards the two girls? If he had hormones an shít I'd understand, they're both rides after all.

Rosy Posy · 30-04-2014 08:29AM

GerB40 wrote: »

Dany and Missandei? Grey Worm you slút... He has nayra bollóx i.e he's been neutered, how could he have these feelings towards the two girls? If he had hormones an shít I'd understand, they're both rides after all.

I agree that it's a ludicrous and pointless plot line, especially when they've dropped so many legitimate threads from the books, but in the book some of the unsullied were visiting prostitutes for cuddles- just cause they've got no junk doesn't mean they don't have feelings (there's the bones of a nirvana lyric in there somewhere

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celica00 · 30-04-2014 08:59AM

Rosy Posy wrote: »

Janos Slynt was commander of the City Watch at KL (the gold cloaks). Ned asked Littlefinger to buy their support for when he revealed that Joffery was not Roberts son and deposed him, but he was counter bribed with a Lordship (and Harrenhall in the books, not sure if it went down like that in the tv show) by the Lannisters and so ended up capturing Ned instead. If Slynt and Littlefinger had kept their word to Ned then Joffery would have been deposed, Ned would have taken the throne for Stannis and kept his head. Slynt's desire for a lordship effectively cost Ned his head. Afaik Jon Snow doesn't know this. In the book Tyrion sends Slynt to the wall, I'm not entirely sure why but he's definitely loyal to Cersei.

Alright, I simply forgot that Slynt is the commander of the City watch, the rest I remember, thanks!

Morag · 30-04-2014 09:18AM

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/04/29/game-of-thrones-spoilers-hbo-white-walker-nights-king/

Seems we saw the Night King.

ThunbergsAreGo · 30-04-2014 09:24AM

bobbyg wrote: »

Jon can't really be the one to save Bran can he? He would hardly save him then let him go north.

Also they still haven't introduced Mance's son, will that be this season.

Reckon itll be "Coldhands"

username123 · 30-04-2014 09:38AM

Morag wrote: »

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/04/29/game-of-thrones-spoilers-hbo-white-walker-nights-king/

Seems we saw the Night King.

Yes, Ive seen this floating about the internet, Ive also seen explanations from George himself stating that the people who write the episode synopsis are not necessarily book readers and will use various wiki's to get character names etc, so it may have been a blunder, or it may not.

Noopti · 30-04-2014 10:08AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Reckon itll be "Coldhands"

I think so too. I reckon Jon and his band will come across the aftermath to be honest

Mr Freeze · 30-04-2014 10:11AM

Noopti wrote: »

I think so too. I reckon Jon and his band will come across the aftermath to be honest

Just something I saw in the trailer, will spoiler it in case people purposely avoid trailers.

It shows Jon and co in combat with the Mutineers at Crasters, but that still doesn't rule out Cold Hands appearing

But as far as I know, Coldhands hasn't even been cast, or maybe its secret/surprise, same as Lady Stoneheart.

longhalloween · 30-04-2014 10:14AM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

But as far as I know, Coldhands hasn't even been cast, or maybe its secret/surprise, same as Lady Stoneheart.

Benjen Stark has been cast, so maybe he'll make an appearance, though most likely it'll be an extra in a big black cloak with no visible face.

Mr Freeze · 30-04-2014 10:14AM

longhalloween wrote: »

Benjen Stark has been cast, so maybe he'll make an appearance, though most likely it'll be an extra in a big black cloak with no visible face.

Ah, but Benjen isn't Coldhands!

Graham_B18C · 30-04-2014 10:18AM

Can someone tell me, the Night Knight or King or whoever he is, how does anyone know to call him that or know who he is? I never even noticed a crown (I assumed they were horns). From what I remember he was never mentioned in the books?

A Neurotic · 30-04-2014 10:22AM

Graham_B18C wrote: »

Can someone tell me, the Night Knight or King or whoever he is, how does anyone know to call him that or know who he is? I never even noticed a crown (I assumed they were horns). From what I remember he was never mentioned in the books?

The official HBO plot synopsis initially named him the Night's King but was quickly changed to "A Walker". Old Nan tells Bran the story of the Night's King in the books.

Season 4 Episode 4 "Oathkeeper": *HAVE* read the books

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Season 4 Episode 4 "Oathkeeper": HAVE read the books