Inmate dies in botched execution!

Sheeps · 30-04-2014 10:02AM

Tobyglen wrote: »

Mightn't be guilty. We all know what the US judicial system to like for imprisoning innocent people, particularly Oklahoma.

Of which crime?

newmug · 30-04-2014 10:03AM

Candie wrote: »

What he did was absolutely barbaric, and so was how he died.

Cue calls for all executions to be equally barbaric. Because that makes it all right.

Candie wrote: »

They could use Freedom Chopper as the brand name and run tv advertisments promoting it....

"The Freedom Chopper! Liberating Heads From Shoulders Since 2014"

It could work.

Or we could scrap the death penalty altogether and accept that 2 bad things don't add up to a good thing.

I thought that you were pro-barbarism?

Dravokivich · 30-04-2014 10:03AM

wrt40 wrote: »

Misleading headline. A botched execution would mean he lived.

Didn't read the sub header no?

his execution was halted because the lethal injection of three drugs failed to work properly.

The guy died of a heart attack. Not the execution.

SimonTemplar · 30-04-2014 10:03AM

Extremely difficult to have any sympathy for these monsters.

Guy:Incognito · 30-04-2014 10:04AM

Tobyglen wrote: »

Mightn't be guilty. We all know what the US judicial system to like for imprisoning innocent people, particularly Oklahoma.

http://kfor.com/2014/03/17/mother-says-she-is-ready-for-her-sons-execution-state-still-lacking-two-lethal-injection-drugs/

"Hollins said, “I do ask myself why. I’ve asked Clayton why, and he just hangs his head and cries.”

Nearly 15 years ago, Clayton Lockett admitted to shooting Neiman several times and burying her alive.

A jury sentenced him to death for that and 18 other violent crimes he says he committed that night.

To see court documents, click here.

“Did he deserve it? I think so,” said Hollins. “He did. He did, and he’s going to die for it. So, let’s do this thing. Let’s stop putting it off"

30-04-2014 10:04AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What about murderers/rapists/child abusers that reoffend?

How many bad things add up to a good thing? Presumably if your the victim of a serious repeat offender you'd be happy enough for them to just go back to jail for another 15 or 20 years then be out again?

No, but I'd be happy for them to live the rest of their lives in prison.

I don't think state-sponsored barbarity is justice for barbarity. Society should attempt to rise above acts of barbarity because they are wrong, not decide it's okay if it's 'my' side that commits that act of violence.

You can't teach a kid that the correct response to acts of violence are more acts of violence, and this situation is the same.

30-04-2014 10:06AM

newmug wrote: »

I thought that you were pro-barbarism?

Your sarcasm detector needs a new battery.

Tasden · 30-04-2014 10:06AM

I don't agree with the death penalty, i don't agree with anyone taking another persons life. Even if its eye for an eye or "justice". When I read about this on another site it left out what the mans crime was, just discussed the execution element. And it said he was writhing in pain while strapped to the table, I felt sorry for him, even knowing that he obviously committed a dreadful crime in order to be in that position in the first place. When I heard exactly why he was there I lost all sympathy for him but that doesn't mean its a good thing he died in such a way. If his crime was less barbaric people would probably be horrified by what he went through and rightly so.

ETA: just read article again, he killed a woman, another inmate was responsible for the rape, not that either crime is "better".

LeinsterDub · 30-04-2014 10:06AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentobarbital

They've run out of it . See the same article you linked too

comongethappy · 30-04-2014 10:08AM

What was wrong with hanging?
Or a bullet?

Doubtful anyone found survive a firing squad very long.

beach_walker · 30-04-2014 10:09AM

Prison officials pulled a curtain across the view of witnesses when it became apparent that something had gone wrong.

Do they still invite families of the victims to watch? Ugh c'mon, we're better than this

JimsAlterEgo · 30-04-2014 10:09AM

let the victims families decide if its appropriate, they are the ones to suffer most

dodderangler · 30-04-2014 10:09AM

branie wrote: »

This just shows why the death penalty is wrong

No just shows lethal injection is sh1t.
Bullet in the head is only way to go.

SpaceTime · 30-04-2014 10:10AM

The death penalty can't really be sanitised with terminology like "lethal injection" and so on.

Killing someone's a brutal act and it will always have the potential to end up with them in agony.

Considering that no EU country has the death penalty and all of them have a murder rate many, many times lower than the USA, it is quite clear that the death penalty isn't a deterrent either.

Some criminals may do utterly disgusting, stomach churning and utterly despicable things, but you have to be able to take the moral high ground as a society and not resort to just pure 'eye for an eye' vengeance.

You take them out of circulation, you put them away, you try to 'fix' them to some degree too. If you can't, you keep them out of harms way.

US society clearly has a few issues as they're over-reliant on jail, heavy handed policing and punishment.

If you develop a society that only stays 'safe' because of a threat of extreme state violence, then you'll find it just spirals into becoming more and more violent.

A healthy society will just keep going even when the police are removed from the equation because people actually trust each other.

30-04-2014 10:10AM

Sheeps wrote: »

"Lockett was sentenced to death for the 1999 shooting of a 19-year-old woman. Warner was convicted for the 1997 murder and rape of an 11-month-old girl."

I'm pro botched death penalty.

Just to add that the one that died in the botched one referenced in the article wasn't the one that murdered and raped an 11-month-old girl. I hope whatever happened to that guy was much worse than the one referenced. Something akin to what happened in the Green Mile, when the sponge wasn't soaked.

GalwayGuy2 · 30-04-2014 10:10AM

No, but I'd be happy for them to live the rest of their lives in prison.

I have no idea how that isn't seen as cruel?

I'd love a study into the mental well being of lifers. It'd be interesting.

newmug · 30-04-2014 10:10AM

Candie wrote: »

Your sarcasm detector needs a new battery.

I think my brain needs coffee! I'm sorry, I just thought you were one of the pro-"choice", pro-abortion crowd. Apologies! Time to put the kettle on methinks.

Guy:Incognito · 30-04-2014 10:11AM

beach_walker wrote: »

Do they still invite families of the victims to watch? Ugh c'mon, we're better than this

Why? Some people want to see the person that inflicted pain and suffering on their daughter die.

Just because some people think the death penalty is barbaric doesn't make it so. What if a large amount of people think locking someone in a cell for 70 years is barbaric, should we stoop locking people up altogether?If anything, locking someone up for decades and slowing watching them die while trying to keep them alive for as long as possible to prolong their suffering is much worse.

suicide_circus · 30-04-2014 10:12AM

Heard pat kenny talking to yer mans lawyer the other day. Pat was making the point that vets can put down animals painlessly and quickly; two injections, one to knock them out and then one to stop the heart - this is done all over the world countless times - why can't this process be done for humans?

Sheeps · 30-04-2014 10:12AM

I'm not pro capital punishment, but seriously, **** this guy.

Guy:Incognito · 30-04-2014 10:13AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Heard pat kenny talking to yer mans lawyer the other day. Pat was making the point that vets can put down animals painlessly two injections, you to knock them out and then one to stop the heart - this is done all over the world countless times - why can't this process be done for humans?

Because people interfere and do things like campaigning for drug companies not to supply drugs.

GalwayGuy2 · 30-04-2014 10:16AM

Because people interfere and do things like campaigning for drug companies not to supply drugs.

That is kind of funny(in a not very haha way). People taking the moral high ground to stop the death penalty are putting untold inmates through agony.

Mr. CooL ICE · 30-04-2014 10:17AM

Regardless of this incident, I am generally pro death penalty.

There, I said it.

SpaceTime · 30-04-2014 10:19AM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

That is kind of funny(in a not very haha way). People taking the moral high ground to stop the death penalty are putting untold inmates through agony.

In the case of those companies, it was European (Danish I think) drugs companies who basically did not want their products being used off-label for killing people. That's quite a reasonable position to take.

beach_walker · 30-04-2014 10:21AM

Why? Some people want to see the person that inflicted pain and suffering on their daughter die.

I'm sure they do. Hell, I might want to given the circumstances. But society really shouldn't accommodate this. It's one step away from public hangings, with a baying mob viewing the proceedings.

Custardpi · 30-04-2014 10:21AM

You'd wonder why, amongst all the death penalty supporters there, they couldn't find one Walter White character who could just mix up a batch of the necessary chemicals himself.

suicide_circus · 30-04-2014 10:24AM

in Belarus the prisoner is told that all appeals have been rejected, brought into a room, blinfolded and then bullet behind the ear - all in two minutes or less. That's how I'd rather go I have to say.

Hitchens · 30-04-2014 10:28AM

Is it too early for popcorn? :pac:

Dravokivich · 30-04-2014 10:30AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

in Belarus the prisoner is told that all appeals have been rejected, brought into a room, blinfolded and then bullet behind the ear - all in two minutes or less. That's how I'd rather go I have to say.

Suicide Circus, all appeals have been rejected. Now if you'll just walk this way...

:pac:

Capt'n Midnight · 30-04-2014 10:36AM

mcko wrote: »

One of the few things I like about the US is the way they punish rather than rehabilitate. For what he did his death was to good.

Yeah because the death penalty and longer sentences have reduced crime dramatically. :rolleyes:

Recent EU ruling is that the UK is allowed to give people whole life sentences, because the Secretary of State could allow release a prisoner in exceptional circumstances.

Lock him up and throw away the key. It's actually cheaper than all the legal appeals and they just give prisoners visits to court.

As for rehabilitation
What about the one million people incarcerated for non-violent drug offences ?

At this stage 1 in 36 Hispanics and 1 in 15 Black males over 18 are in prison.

If you are a black male there is a one in three chance you will go to prison at some stage. Because punishing works

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/drug-war-mass-incarceration_n_3034310.html

http://rt.com/usa/life-prison-without-parole-694/ it's RT so probably some spin

“This doesn't make sense to me,” she said. “I know people who have killed people, and they get a lesser sentence. That doesn't make sense to me right there. You can take a life and get 15 or 16 years. He takes a jacket worth $159 and will stay in jail forever. He didn't kill the jacket!”

Inmate dies in botched execution!

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