Inmate dies in botched execution!

Pherekydes

Seriously, what did they expect?

Oklahoma inmate dies after 'botched' lethal injection

Uriel.

Pherekydes wrote: »

Seriously, what did they expect?

Oklahoma inmate dies after 'botched' lethal injection

Who?

branie

This just shows why the death penalty is wrong

Collie D

Pherekydes wrote: »

Seriously, what did they expect?

Oklahoma inmate dies after 'botched' lethal injection

I suppose the obvious answer is that it wasn't exactly "botched" if he still died.

I'm usually anti-death penalty and this would be one of the reasons why but those two guys committed some pretty horrendous crimes. This guy buried his victim alive according to RTE website. I must be getting more right wing in my old age.

newmug

Whatever your views on capital punishment are, this lethal injection bullsh1t is just barbaric. All thats needed is an anaesthetic overdose. Either that or a firing squad.

Sheeps

"Lockett was sentenced to death for the 1999 shooting of a 19-year-old woman. Warner was convicted for the 1997 murder and rape of an 11-month-old girl."

I'm pro botched death penalty.

GalwayGuy2

Sounds painful. And jesus christ that was a disturbing reading what they did.

But, and I'm actually on the fence about the death penalty, da fudge is this:

The state maintains the law is necessary to protect the suppliers from legal action and harassment.

It's just...how in the world does that make sense?

Pherekydes

Collie D wrote: »

I suppose the obvious answer is that it wasn't exactly "botched" if he still died.

I'm usually anti-death penalty and this would be one of the reasons why but those two guys committed some pretty horrendous crimes. This guy buried his victim alive according to RTE website. I must be getting more right wing in my old age.

Yeah, I wasn't discussing the rights or wrongs of the death penalty, just the silliness of the article headline and the irony behind it.

Guy:Incognito

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

It's just...how in the world does that make sense?

Companies that supply the drugs would be targets for loonies. Much like how people have been attacked for working in abortion clinics.

Uriel.

Is this the kind of thing that can go wrong with (legal) euthanasia?

What he did was absolutely barbaric, and so was how he died.

Cue calls for all executions to be equally barbaric. Because that makes it all right.

Guy:Incognito

Candie wrote: »

What he did was absolutely barbaric, and so was how he died.

Cue calls for all executions to be equally barbaric. Because that makes it all right.

I would have thought those who believe in things like Karma or higher powers would see this as him having some justice meted out to him on the way out?


Anyhoo, a bit of suffering never hurt anyone.:)

GalwayGuy2

I would have thought those who believe in things like Karma or higher powers would see this as him having some justice meted out to him on the way out?


Anyhoo, a bit of suffering never hurt anyone.

Well, unless their heart stops from the pain :P

harvester of sorrow

Sheeps wrote: »

"Lockett was sentenced to death for the 1999 shooting of a 19-year-old woman. Warner was convicted for the 1997 murder and rape of an 11-month-old girl."

Leave the ***** suffer.

Guy:Incognito

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I would have thought those who believe in things like Karma or higher powers would see this as him having some justice meted out to him on the way out?


Anyhoo, a bit of suffering never hurt anyone.:)

I don't subscribe to the just world hypothesis, too many bad things happen to good people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation

"Nitrogen asphyxiation has been suggested as a more humane way to carry out capital punishment, but so far this use of inert gas has not been attempted by any country, state or territory."

Guy:Incognito

They could always just leave lengths of rope lying around and let nature take its course.......

Custardpi

If they're going to have capital punishment at all, why not have something quick & relatively painless, no need to add even more barbarity to the process. The guillotine would be best in this respect, over in a split second. If they were averse to the idea of using something French to dispatch people they could call it a "freedom chopper" or something like that.

mcko

One of the few things I like about the US is the way they punish rather than rehabilitate. For what he did his death was to good.

Custardpi

Custardpi wrote: »

If they're going to have capital punishment at all, why not have something quick & relatively painless, no need to add even more barbarity to the process. The guillotine would be best in this respect, over in a split second. If they were averse to the idea of using something French to dispatch people they could call it a "freedom chopper" or something like that.

They could use Freedom Chopper as the brand name and run tv advertisments promoting it....

"The Freedom Chopper! Liberating Heads From Shoulders Since 2014"

It could work.

Or we could scrap the death penalty altogether and accept that 2 bad things don't add up to a good thing.

Pherekydes

Custardpi wrote: »

If they're going to have capital punishment at all, why not have something quick & relatively painless, no need to add even more barbarity to the process. The guillotine would be best in this respect, over in a split second. If they were averse to the idea of using something French to dispatch people they could call it a "freedom chopper" or something like that.

But the blade might be blunt and then the poor fecker might die in the botched attempt and the company who supplied the blade might be sued because somebody died in an execution but not in the way intended...

LeinsterDub

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Sounds painful. And jesus christ that was a disturbing reading what they did.

But, and I'm actually on the fence about the death penalty, da fudge is this:



It's just...how in the world does that make sense?

Because they drugs they are making are illegal/not approved by the FDA in the US .

Ash.J.Williams

They have some serious sentences in the states....think i'd rather die then get one.

Custardpi

Pherekydes wrote: »

But the blade might be blunt and then the poor fecker might die in the botched attempt and the company who supplied the blade might be sued because somebody died in an execution but not in the way intended...

That pretty much never happened in the French case. They always tested the blade on the day of the execution & sharpened it if necessary. The inmate's lawyers would just have to make sure that this was done. And yes, no capital punishment would obviously better but there's parts of the US where the old frontier mentality is still present & where European attitudes to crime & punishment are decades away so that's not going to happen.

wrt40

Misleading headline. A botched execution would mean he lived.

Ash.J.Williams

+1 for the freedom chopper

homerjay2005

branie wrote: »

This just shows why the death penalty is wrong

i would love the death penalty here for serious crimes like they committed, what they both did was simply barbaric.

Guy:Incognito

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Because they drugs they are making are illegal/not approved by the FDA in the US .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentobarbital

Tobyglen

Sheeps wrote: »

"Lockett was sentenced to death for the 1999 shooting of a 19-year-old woman. Warner was convicted for the 1997 murder and rape of an 11-month-old girl."

I'm pro botched death penalty.

Mightn't be guilty. We all know what the US judicial system to like for imprisoning innocent people, particularly Oklahoma.

osarusan

Collie D wrote: »

I'm usually anti-death penalty and this would be one of the reasons why but those two guys committed some pretty horrendous crimes.

I don't really think that you can be 'usually anti-death penalty.' You either agree with it as a principle or you don't.

If you think that the barbarity of these crimes means that these two deserve it, doesn't that mean that you are pro-death penalty, but only when crimes are particularly barbaric?

Guy:Incognito

Candie wrote: »

Or we could scrap the death penalty altogether and accept that 2 bad things don't add up to a good thing.

What about murderers/rapists/child abusers that reoffend?

How many bad things add up to a good thing? Presumably if your the victim of a serious repeat offender you'd be happy enough for them to just go back to jail for another 15 or 20 years then be out again?

Sheeps

Tobyglen wrote: »

Mightn't be guilty. We all know what the US judicial system to like for imprisoning innocent people, particularly Oklahoma.

Of which crime?

newmug

Candie wrote: »

What he did was absolutely barbaric, and so was how he died.

Cue calls for all executions to be equally barbaric. Because that makes it all right.

Candie wrote: »

They could use Freedom Chopper as the brand name and run tv advertisments promoting it....

"The Freedom Chopper! Liberating Heads From Shoulders Since 2014"

It could work.

Or we could scrap the death penalty altogether and accept that 2 bad things don't add up to a good thing.

I thought that you were pro-barbarism?

Dravokivich

wrt40 wrote: »

Misleading headline. A botched execution would mean he lived.

Didn't read the sub header no?

his execution was halted because the lethal injection of three drugs failed to work properly.

The guy died of a heart attack. Not the execution.

SimonTemplar

Extremely difficult to have any sympathy for these monsters.

Guy:Incognito

Tobyglen wrote: »

Mightn't be guilty. We all know what the US judicial system to like for imprisoning innocent people, particularly Oklahoma.

http://kfor.com/2014/03/17/mother-says-she-is-ready-for-her-sons-execution-state-still-lacking-two-lethal-injection-drugs/

"Hollins said, “I do ask myself why. I’ve asked Clayton why, and he just hangs his head and cries.”

Nearly 15 years ago, Clayton Lockett admitted to shooting Neiman several times and burying her alive.

A jury sentenced him to death for that and 18 other violent crimes he says he committed that night.

To see court documents, click here.

“Did he deserve it? I think so,” said Hollins. “He did. He did, and he’s going to die for it. So, let’s do this thing. Let’s stop putting it off"

Guy:Incognito

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What about murderers/rapists/child abusers that reoffend?

How many bad things add up to a good thing? Presumably if your the victim of a serious repeat offender you'd be happy enough for them to just go back to jail for another 15 or 20 years then be out again?

No, but I'd be happy for them to live the rest of their lives in prison.

I don't think state-sponsored barbarity is justice for barbarity. Society should attempt to rise above acts of barbarity because they are wrong, not decide it's okay if it's 'my' side that commits that act of violence.

You can't teach a kid that the correct response to acts of violence are more acts of violence, and this situation is the same.

newmug

newmug wrote: »

I thought that you were pro-barbarism?

Your sarcasm detector needs a new battery.

Tasden

I don't agree with the death penalty, i don't agree with anyone taking another persons life. Even if its eye for an eye or "justice". When I read about this on another site it left out what the mans crime was, just discussed the execution element. And it said he was writhing in pain while strapped to the table, I felt sorry for him, even knowing that he obviously committed a dreadful crime in order to be in that position in the first place. When I heard exactly why he was there I lost all sympathy for him but that doesn't mean its a good thing he died in such a way. If his crime was less barbaric people would probably be horrified by what he went through and rightly so.

ETA: just read article again, he killed a woman, another inmate was responsible for the rape, not that either crime is "better".

LeinsterDub

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentobarbital

They've run out of it . See the same article you linked too

comongethappy

What was wrong with hanging?
Or a bullet?

Doubtful anyone found survive a firing squad very long.

beach_walker

Prison officials pulled a curtain across the view of witnesses when it became apparent that something had gone wrong.

Do they still invite families of the victims to watch? Ugh c'mon, we're better than this

JimsAlterEgo

let the victims families decide if its appropriate, they are the ones to suffer most

dodderangler

branie wrote: »

This just shows why the death penalty is wrong

No just shows lethal injection is sh1t.
Bullet in the head is only way to go.

SpaceTime

The death penalty can't really be sanitised with terminology like "lethal injection" and so on.

Killing someone's a brutal act and it will always have the potential to end up with them in agony.

Considering that no EU country has the death penalty and all of them have a murder rate many, many times lower than the USA, it is quite clear that the death penalty isn't a deterrent either.

Some criminals may do utterly disgusting, stomach churning and utterly despicable things, but you have to be able to take the moral high ground as a society and not resort to just pure 'eye for an eye' vengeance.

You take them out of circulation, you put them away, you try to 'fix' them to some degree too. If you can't, you keep them out of harms way.

US society clearly has a few issues as they're over-reliant on jail, heavy handed policing and punishment.

If you develop a society that only stays 'safe' because of a threat of extreme state violence, then you'll find it just spirals into becoming more and more violent.

A healthy society will just keep going even when the police are removed from the equation because people actually trust each other.

Sheeps

Sheeps wrote: »

"Lockett was sentenced to death for the 1999 shooting of a 19-year-old woman. Warner was convicted for the 1997 murder and rape of an 11-month-old girl."

I'm pro botched death penalty.

Just to add that the one that died in the botched one referenced in the article wasn't the one that murdered and raped an 11-month-old girl. I hope whatever happened to that guy was much worse than the one referenced. Something akin to what happened in the Green Mile, when the sponge wasn't soaked.

GalwayGuy2

No, but I'd be happy for them to live the rest of their lives in prison.

I have no idea how that isn't seen as cruel?

I'd love a study into the mental well being of lifers. It'd be interesting.

newmug

Candie wrote: »

Your sarcasm detector needs a new battery.

I think my brain needs coffee! I'm sorry, I just thought you were one of the pro-"choice", pro-abortion crowd. Apologies! Time to put the kettle on methinks.

Guy:Incognito

beach_walker wrote: »

Do they still invite families of the victims to watch? Ugh c'mon, we're better than this

Why? Some people want to see the person that inflicted pain and suffering on their daughter die.

Just because some people think the death penalty is barbaric doesn't make it so. What if a large amount of people think locking someone in a cell for 70 years is barbaric, should we stoop locking people up altogether?If anything, locking someone up for decades and slowing watching them die while trying to keep them alive for as long as possible to prolong their suffering is much worse.

suicide_circus

Heard pat kenny talking to yer mans lawyer the other day. Pat was making the point that vets can put down animals painlessly and quickly; two injections, one to knock them out and then one to stop the heart - this is done all over the world countless times - why can't this process be done for humans?

Sheeps

I'm not pro capital punishment, but seriously, **** this guy.