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Atkins I feel very sick help

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭WhyTheFace


    ford2600 wrote: »
    Ok what are the health implications of a high fat diet in the absence of high carbohydrate especially sugar?

    A diet disproportinately high in anything while lacking in others is not a balance diet. The healthiest diet is a balanced one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,541 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    A diet disproportinately high in anything while lacking in others is not a balance diet. The healthiest diet is a balanced one.

    There are plenty of people who eat what our society would say is a "diet disproportinately high in fat" and they are perfectly healthy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    A diet disproportinately high in anything while lacking in others is not a balance diet. The healthiest diet is a balanced one.

    According to who? Can you outline a healthy macro breakdown in percentages?

    @70% energy from fat what unhealthy outcomes can I expect?

    You say carbs are more efficient than fats? What do you mean?

    They are converted to useful energy more usefully? How is that if a calorie is a calorie?

    What is a balanced diet? Do you a diet in terms of macro breakdown which guarantees good nutrition for ALL? Please share


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭WhyTheFace


    There are plenty of people who eat what our society would say is a "diet disproportinately high in fat" and they are perfectly healthy.

    And there are many who are not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭WhyTheFace


    ford2600 wrote: »
    According to who? Can you outline a healthy macro breakdown in percentages?

    @70% energy from fat what unhealthy outcomes can I expect?

    You say carbs are more efficient than fats? What do you mean?

    They are converted to useful energy more usefully? How is that if a calorie is a calorie?

    Eat a well balanced, healthy diet including protein, fats, carbs, vitamins and minerals.

    High anything diets are not healthy long term. That's just common sense. There's no need for me to go digging up articles.

    If anyone here thinks a high fat diet is healthier than a balanced diet, then they are nuts!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭MaceFace


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    Eat a well balanced, healthy diet including protein, fats, carbs, vitamins and minerals.

    High anything diets are not healthy long term. That's just common sense. There's no need for me to go digging up articles.

    If anyone here thinks a high fat diet is healthier than a balanced diet, then they are nuts!

    Hmmm.....
    Not sure you really understand the subject you are preaching....

    You sound like a politician on TV - using all the buzz words but not actually saying anything, nor addressing the questions being asked.

    Simply put, carbs are NOT essential. Fats and Proteins are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭WhyTheFace


    MaceFace wrote: »
    Hmmm.....
    Not sure you really understand the subject you are preaching....

    You sound like a politician on TV - using all the buzz words but not actually saying anything, nor addressing the questions being asked.

    Simply put, carbs are NOT essential. Fats and Proteins are.

    Carbohydrates fuel the body. They give you the energy to function.

    Anyone who has in an anyway an active life or are in training for anything would not have the sustained energy levels from eating protein and fats alone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    Carbohydrates fuel the body. They give you the energy to function.

    Anyone who has in an anyway an active life or are in training for anything would not have the sustained energy levels from eating protein and fats alone.

    FFS read my original post on my cycling; I function better when only veg for carbs.

    So do lots of other. Carbs are not essential (the Japanese do well on them and many people do well with them in sparce amounts).

    Is my English simple and clear enough for you now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭WhyTheFace


    ford2600 wrote: »
    FFS read my original post on my cycling; I function better when only veg for carbs.

    So do lots of other. Carbs are not essential (the Japanese do well on them and many people do well with them in sparce amounts).

    Is my English simple and clear enough for you now?

    What's your definition of essential?

    No you won't die from having no carbs, but you won't be able to function at an optimal level without them. You will survive fine thou.

    It's not that hard really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    What's your definition of essential?

    No you won't die from having no carbs, but you won't be able to function at an optimal level without them. You will survive fine thou.

    It's not that hard really.

    I and many more function better (close to 200km) without food on bike. I'm leaner, have more energy and have halfed my triglycerides and increased my hdl to optimum. It is a better diet for me and many more, very active or not.

    Is it so hard to comprehend that different diets suit different people.

    Nutrition should be science not faith based.

    I won't ask anymore questions as you don't seem capable of answering them as they don't fit your "balanced diet" viewpoint for all

    High fat was the diet recommended for diabetics in early 20th century. It is nothing new


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,541 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    What's your definition of essential?

    No you won't die from having no carbs, but you won't be able to function at an optimal level without them. You will survive fine thou.

    It's not that hard really.

    Entire races of people thrive on a diet high in fat and protein and low carbs.

    Traditional Inuit diets derive approximately 50% of their calories from fat, 30-35% from protein and 15-20% of their calories from carbohydrates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Entire races of people thrive on a diet high in fat and protein and low carbs.

    Traditional Inuit diets derive approximately 50% of their calories from fat, 30-35% from protein and 15-20% of their calories from carbohydrates.

    From what I've read closer to 70 20 10.

    Carbs very scare in the far north, especially outside of late summer autumn


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭WhyTheFace


    Entire races of people thrive on a diet high in fat and protein and low carbs.

    Traditional Inuit diets derive approximately 50% of their calories from fat, 30-35% from protein and 15-20% of their calories from carbohydrates.

    They have adopted over time to their environments. Not too much land to cultivate wheat and potatoes.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    ford2600 wrote: »
    From what I've read closer to 70 20 10.

    Carbs very scare in the far north, especially outside of late summer autumn
    I remember a travel program in siberia where they talked to farmers working in the harshest environment. Their diet was based on fatty meat, and it was mentioned that it was essential to them because of the energy needed to survive in that climate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,541 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    They have adopted over time to their environments. Not too much land to cultivate wheat and potatoes.

    So you agree that high fat can be fine? How long does it take to adapt, can i do it in 10 days maybe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    They have adopted over time to their environments. Not too much land to cultivate wheat and potatoes.

    They're still the same species that follows all the same rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭WhyTheFace


    So you agree that high fat can be fine? How long does it take to adapt, can i do it in 10 days maybe?

    No it's not fine but you can survive on it if you had to.

    There is nothing better than a balance diet and that includes carbs.

    Nobody ever said you'd die if you didn't have carbs etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,541 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    No it's not fine but you can survive on it if you had to.

    There is nothing better than a balance diet and that includes carbs.

    Nobody ever said you'd die if you didn't have carbs etc.

    Not only can they survive but they can thrive. A balanced diet doesn't have to include carbs, we don't actually need them at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Oryx wrote: »
    I remember a travel program in siberia where they talked to farmers working in the harshest environment. Their diet was based on fatty meat, and it was mentioned that it was essential to them because of the energy needed to survive in that climate.

    Fats could even be higher up to 80 from memory.
    Their monounsaturated fat mainly came frame one fish which visited coastal waters once a year for a week.

    What ever about arguing against Inuits as an exreme evolutionary side road, native African tribes and now wipped out Native American maybe a window into our past


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Frigga_92


    Just going to weigh in here.

    I posted in the nutrition and diet forum about 3 months ago looking for some advice on weight loss. I am very limited physically due to injuries sustained in a motorbike crash so I was looking for a diet based weight loss solution. I know weight loss is generally 80% diet but for me it had to be 100% diet as there are days when I have difficulty walking, let alone any other physical exercise.
    On the recommendation of a poster here recommending a low carb diet and a friend recommending the book, The Idiotproof Diet, I decided to try out a low carb diet.
    I started on 9th February and I have lost almost 15kg since then :cool: I was 106.9kg when I started and I am now 92kg.

    For the first few weeks I actually couldn't believe the numbers on the scales flying down. Even now, I still can't believe that they're still going down.
    I was away for a short break to Paris for just under a week over Easter and in that time I wasn't sticking to the low carb eating, I had some croissants, pain au chocolat etc. but when I returned home, I weighed the same as I did before I left.

    My body has completely changed. The way my body works has completely changed. I seem able to process carbs better than I could before. My body uses them up and gets rid of them and my mind doesn't go into a carb coma and wanting all the carbs.
    I feel like I've sort of trained my body to use what I am putting into it better.

    I didn't have a terrible carbless flu. I didn't get what some people go through, I was lucky because I have read some stories online about how bad it can be.
    It takes a lot of determination and willpower. It's only when you stop eating something that you realise how much of it there is around you :rolleyes:
    Sandwiches are so convenient. I work in a very small town and there are 2 sit-in lunch places in the town, a salad is twice the price of a sandwich and a plate of chips. You have to be prepared, if you are not prepared, you can't just run to the shop and get a roll.

    I've had meals that contain carbs since I started. Not a lot but every now and then you find yourself in a situation where you can't stick to your guns 100% and I just return to normal straight away. Before I started this if I had any setback with whatever diet I was on that would be it for the week and I would binge away and start again on Monday, whereas now, I don't let stuff like that put an end to things and I make sure to get back to my normal way of eating (low carb) as soon as I possibly can.
    I am very happy to continue this way of eating for the foreseeable future.

    My shopping bill is lower than it used to be by about €20 and my fridge is fuller because almost everything I eat now is fresh food. I am more experimental with my food now and eager to try new things. I have eaten foods since I started this that I never ate before.
    I try to just eat real food as much as possible.

    I am no expert, this is just my experience and it has been great.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    No it's not fine but you can survive on it if you had to.

    There is nothing better than a balance diet and that includes carbs.

    Nobody ever said you'd die if you didn't have carbs etc.

    You're not backing up anything you say you just keep rehashing the same thing about a "balanced" diet. Also keep in mind what you consider balanced and other people consider balanced can be completely different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭WhyTheFace


    Blacktie. wrote: »
    You're not backing up anything you say you just keep rehashing the same thing about a "balanced" diet. Also keep in mind what you consider balanced and other people consider balanced can be completely different.

    My definition of a balanced diet is what any educated health care professional or dietician would consider to be one.

    i.e. contains a balance of carbs, fats, protein etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    My definition of a balanced diet is what any educated health care professional or dietician would consider to be one.

    i.e. contains a balance of carbs, fats, protein etc.

    Your definition of a balanced diet is what's been force fed to the general public for the last 30+ years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,541 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    My definition of a balanced diet is what any educated health care professional or dietician would consider to be one.

    i.e. contains a balance of carbs, fats, protein etc.

    Any healthcare professional would say that the Inuit diet, amongst others, is healthy. Carbs are not required, not for health, not for balance, not for surviving, not for thriving.

    What balance of carbs/protein/fat should people eat?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭MaceFace


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    My definition of a balanced diet is what any educated health care professional or dietician would consider to be one.

    i.e. contains a balance of carbs, fats, protein etc.

    You're funny :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭WhyTheFace


    Any healthcare professional would say that the Inuit diet, amongst others, is healthy. Carbs are not required, not for health, not for balance, not for surviving, not for thriving.

    What balance of carbs/protein/fat should people eat?

    The Inuits eat their diet due to the harsh environment and limited resources of their environment.

    Does anybody really think that if they went to their Doctor in the morning their Doctor or Nutritionist would recommend an inuit or high fat diet instead of a balanced one?

    Of course they wouldn't!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,541 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    The Inuits eat their diet due to the harsh environment and limited resources of their environment.

    Does anybody really think that if they went to their Doctor in the morning their Doctor or Nutritionist would recommend an inuit or high fat diet instead of a balanced one?

    Of course they wouldn't!

    Why would they not? Ketogenic diets are often used for a variety of reasons, from specific health reasons to satiety to lifestyle.

    What balance of carbs/protein/fat should people eat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    The Inuits eat their diet due to the harsh environment and limited resources of their environment.

    Does anybody really think that if they went to their Doctor in the morning their Doctor or Nutritionist would recommend an inuit or high fat diet instead of a balanced one?

    Of course they wouldn't!

    Yeah doctors aren't dieticians. It forms a very small part of their education.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    WhyTheFace wrote: »
    The Inuits eat their diet due to the harsh environment and limited resources of their environment.

    Does anybody really think that if they went to their Doctor in the morning their Doctor or Nutritionist would recommend an inuit or high fat diet instead of a balanced one?

    Of course they wouldn't!

    Try Dr Neville Wilson in leinster clinic in co Kildare for starters.

    Try Volek Pinney Attia online for starters


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭WhyTheFace


    Why would they not? Ketogenic diets are often used for a variety of reasons, from specific health reasons to satiety to lifestyle.

    What balance of carbs/protein/fat should people eat?

    The balance would be specific to the person and their specific level of health and any issues. That's what dieticians are for!


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