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People with Irish surnames - but no evidence of Irishness

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  • #32
    Pinch Flat
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    Olive8585 wrote: »
    What the hell business is it of yours, OP?

    You've fairly new here, so I'll go easy one you. Anyway, here goes.

    covered off somewhere in here. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057199789. Unless you're a mod, don't tell me what I can / can't post please.
    Olive8585 wrote: »
    Perhaps that's the name his parents gave him, and even if it isn't, so what? Not liking GAA and supporting an English football team means you're not 'Irish' now?

    I would find this as peculiar as someone who's say Italian, but follows the Bundesliga religiously. Anyway not a football fan, so don't see the attraction personally of following English football (or other national leagues for that matter).
    Olive8585 wrote: »
    Perhaps it just means that your colleague isn't a narrow-minded, prejudiced bigot? I fail to see what having an Irish name has to do with GAA or football. You sound like an irritating busybody.

    refer to my OP.
    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Keep it civil please!


  • #33
    I Heart Internet
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    o1s1n wrote: »
    Yeah I've come across this a lot. I find it very odd. Not sure if it's patronizing 'oh they'll never be able to pronounce my name, silly westerner' or if the opposite and they're just so accommodating that they're willing to change their name to make our life easier.

    Either way, I'm not a fan of it and would rather call folks by their actual name.

    I think it's the latter - they're trying to be accomodating and, perhaps, like the thought of having a name like a western celeb or something. It maybe makes things easier for them in western companies, etc.

    But, I agree, would prefer to use someones' real name - but if it's what they want!


  • #34
    o1s1n
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    Master of the Universe


    Pinch Flat wrote: »

    I would find this as peculiar as someone who's say Italian, but follows the Bundesliga religiously. Anyway not a football fan, so don't see the attraction personally of following English football (or other national leagues for that matter).

    refer to my OP.

    So if an Italian follows the Bundesliga I take it they'll need to find a German translation of their name?

    Or will eating lots of pasta mean they can retain their original Italian name?


  • #35
    MJ23
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    Lots of the ladies in RTE have those long unpronounceable Irish names.
    Why is that?


  • #36
    I Heart Internet
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    Globalisation and multi-culturalism are good things OP.

    You no longer need to stand guard at the gates of Gaeldom.


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  • #37
    Pinch Flat
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    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    OP, can you clarify what the problem is again please?

    I don't have any problem per se, in fact I've said I totally supported it. Perhaps I'll change my user name to liomóg cothrom and carry on. Just asked other people opinion of it.
    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    At least we know he doesn't support Chelsea. Given that Chelsea are unlikely to be playing Chelsea.

    TBH, I'd have to check. I was using Chelsea as an example, could be Liverpool, Man United, Acrington Stanley


  • #38
    sheesh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭sheesh


    OP you do realise that the person probably did not choose their second name. probably their parents are huge irish language fans and this is why this person

    lots of football supporters refer to themselves and the team they support as us. it is not a big deal.

    alot of irish people support an english or scottish team. alot of irish people will look askance at you if you say you do not follow the football.


    I'm sorry OP, it is you, not them


  • #39
    rainbowdrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭rainbowdrop


    http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2012/03/26/all-my-facebook-friends-think-im-really-cultured-now-says-guy-who-translated-name-to-irish/


  • #40
    Alf. A. Male
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    Arthur Beesley wrote: »

    At least we know he doesn't support Chelsea. Given that Chelsea are unlikely to be playing Chelsea.

    Be a horrendous traffic jam, buses parked everywhere.


  • #41
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    It's amazing he racism some Irish people have for their own language and surnames, most people have no idea of their real surname, and are still using the surname the former occupiers gave their family . . . sad really that they attack anyone who has kept their origional family surname, i.e. the Irish one. You don't see the Polish or any other nationality etc. feeling they have to apologise for their non english surname. Very sad really.


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  • #42
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    I have an Irish name. It's the only name by which I have ever been known.

    That does not entitle anybody to make presumptions about my preferences in sport, or what music and dance I like, or the language in which I choose to communicate, or (most particularly) my political beliefs.

    It happens that I am not greatly interested in Gaelic games or Irish dance music (but I don't feel a need to hate them); you are unlikely to hear me speak Irish because I avoid imposing it on people who might not be comfortable with it; I am not a nationalist.

    But I am nothing other than Irish.

    And my name is my name. It is part of my identity. Nobody has a right to tell me to change it.

    To be fair, nobody (at least within my earshot) has made adverse comment on my name since my long-ago teenage years.


  • #43
    Pinch Flat
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    sheesh wrote: »
    OP you do realise that the person probably did not choose their second name. probably their parents are huge irish language fans and this is why this person

    No, there's been no Irish spoken in the house (I checked), so brought up speaking English. Fella hasn't a word of it. Family were reffered to as say Connolly and the father just changed the surname (presumably his own by deed pole?) over night.
    sheesh wrote: »
    I'm sorry OP, it is you, not them

    Perhaps it is, we're all different I suppose.


  • #44
    Claw Hammer
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    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    s(annoyingly, refers to the team in the 3rd person i.e. we're away to Chelsea this weekend, we're buying so and so, etc.) !

    That is the 1st person. Maybe he is not so bad after all!


  • #45
    SEPT 23 1989
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    MJ23 wrote: »
    Lots of the ladies in RTE have those long unpronounceable Irish names.
    Why is that?

    they were bred in the Gale Tock


  • #46
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    As a person with an Anglicised name that no one can pronounce or spell I often think I should just change it back to its Irish form.


  • #47
    ryan101
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    Elmo wrote: »
    As a person with an Anglicised name that no one can pronounce or spell I often think I should just change it back to its Irish form.

    I see little point in keeping the name the occupier forced your family to use.
    You don't see other nationalities feeling they have to apologise for using their non english surnames.


  • #48
    Pinch Flat
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    ryan101 wrote: »
    It's amazing he racism some Irish people have for their own language and surnames, most people have no idea of their real surname, and are still using the surname the former occupiers gave their family . . . sad really.

    No, I don't agree it's racism. I have an avid interest in the Irish language, I can probably understand it better and speak a few more words than I left school 25 years ago. Total joke how it was taught here and I've made real efforts to improve.

    Bear in mind also that a lot of names were simplified (and corrupted my own mother's maiden name included) to ease passage to the US.

    As a matter of fact, I have researched my own surname extensively, where it came from and have the Irish translation off the top of my head including its meaning. I just don't feel the compulsion to have it changed back to the Irish translation.


  • #49
    Olive8585
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    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    You've fairly new here, so I'll go easy one you. Anyway, here goes.

    covered off somewhere in here. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057199789. Unless you're a mod, don't tell me what I can / can't post please.



    I would find this as peculiar as someone who's say Italian, but follows the Bundesliga religiously. Anyway not a football fan, so don't see the attraction personally of following English football (or other national leagues for that matter).



    refer to my OP.

    Yep, you can post what you like and likewise, people can tell you what they think of it. An Italian following the Bundesliga isn't the slightest bit strange to me either. You seem very obsessed with putting people into boxes, OP.

    'Your name is X so you should like Y'
    'You come from X country, so you should support Y football team'

    It comes across as incredibly narrow-minded.

    There's nothing wrong or even strange about someone with an Irish name not liking GAA. It's not an all or nothing thing.


  • #50
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    ryan101 wrote: »
    It's amazing he racism some Irish people have for their own language and surnames, most people have no idea of their real surname, and are still using the surname the former occupiers gave their family . . . sad really that they attack anyone who has kept their origional family surname, i.e. the Irish one. You don't see the Polish or any other nationality etc. feeling they have to apologise for their non english surname. Very sad really.

    Racism? Really?


  • #51
    Pinch Flat
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    Olive8585 wrote: »
    It comes across as incredibly narrow-minded.

    Ah, the stock response - the narrow minded trump card. You have no idea who I am. I am actually very open minded having travelled extensively and lived in a few countries.


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  • #52
    Elmo
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    Olive8585 wrote: »
    'Your name is X so you should like Y'
    'You come from X country, so you should support Y football team'

    I always think it is funny in terms of soccer how the Irish have to support the English just to be good sports (oh and mature), yet we never ask if we will support Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland or even the better team.


  • #53
    ryan101
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    Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »
    Racism? Really?

    Yep, that's what complaining about someone's Irish surname is, dress it up any way you want.
    When are you going to start ranting about Polish surnames for example not being converted to an English surname ?


  • #54
    topper75
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    Anois, seo dhaoibh an nuacht... le Maoltraolacháineachach MacMaolchaochnáchasaighdaigh....

    Táimid sa bhaile inniu in aghaidh City.

    B'shin agaibh an nuacht á léamh ag Maoltraolacháineachach MacMaolchaochnáchasaighdaigh.


  • #55
    Pinch Flat
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    ryan101 wrote: »
    Yep, that's what complaining about someone's Irish surname is, dress it up any way you want.
    When are you going to start ranting about Polish surnames for example not being converted to an English surname ?

    You're reading waaaay to much into it.


  • #56
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    ryan101 wrote: »
    Yep, that's what complaining about someone's Irish surname is, dress it up any way you want.
    When are you going to start ranting about Polish surnames for example not being converted to an English surname ?

    Funny I when I was in school during role call one of the Girls had a NIC placed in front of an obviously Russian name lol


  • #57
    ryan101
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    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    You're reading waaaay to much into it.

    So why all the complaints about someone using their Irish surname, i.e. their real surname ?


  • #58
    Olive8585
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 360 ✭✭Olive8585


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Ah, the stock response - the narrow minded trump card. You have no idea who I am. I am actually very open minded having travelled extensively and lived in a few countries.

    If you're so open-minded then why do you insist on putting people into boxes like that?


  • #59
    Pinch Flat
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    ryan101 wrote: »
    So why all the complaints about someone using their Irish surname, i.e. their real surname ?

    relax. I'm asking for people's opinion on it, not suggesting lit pitch forks and have them run out of town.


  • #60
    Claw Hammer
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    Elmo wrote: »
    Funny I when I was in school during role call one of the Girls had a NIC placed in front of an obviously Russian name lol

    What role was she playing?


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  • #61
    ryan101
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    Elmo wrote: »
    Funny I when I was in school during role call one of the Girls had a NIC placed in front of an obviously Russian name lol

    Funny when I was at school one didn't, rofl


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