Season 4; Episode 4: 'Oathkeeper'; *Have NOT* Read the Books

Am I the only one who seems some kind of a correlation between the Walkers lair and the hole the wolf got trapped in. It could be possible they live under the ice...in some kind of an underworld, where they have been 'asleep' for the last 100 or so years and then they will rise fully when winter comes.

Just for reference for whoever was saying we saw the Walkers marching on the wall, we did not. We saw them and the wights attack the fists of the first men, which is a fair bit away from the wall.

Sudden Valley wrote: »

did he not also cut off Jaime's hand too. I couldn't place him while watching the episode so at least makes more sense now. Thanks.

Thought it was good enough episode- progressed most of the plots and revealed more about the conspiracy and white walkers so definitely not a filler episode for me.

I could see the awkwardness in the Margaery and young king's bedroom scene- must have been hard for the young actor playing that scene!

id say something was hard alright

I assume Summer can't be dead or Bran would have had some way of knowing?

Also confused about the whole Wight/Walker thing. Is it the case that the Walkers 'magic' aura in the North is making the corpses reanimate as Wights? And if so do the Walkers control the Wights?

Or are they separate creatures completely?

Good episode all in all, looks like some storylines are going to come together finally, e.g. Jon and Bran.

I'm still confused as to how the poison got from the necklace into Joffrey's cup?? Anyone care to explain it?

Great episode again.

I'm not getting the hate for the Danaery's storyline. She's is gradually taking over an entire realm (it's a realm isn't it?), building an army and now, crucifying the masters. I quite enjoyed the stealth mission in to the slave quarters and watching the slaves struggle to fight for themselves. It all goes to show what a powerful icon Danaery's is becoming. I'm happy with how her character is progressing. That said, I think this should be it as far as freeing cities goes unless they are going to show something different.

I found myself really warming to Jamie again. Himself and Tyrion are great on screen together and there were lots of nice nods to events in previous seasons here. Those scenes when Brienne were awesome. I don't think he realised he loved her until that moment she was leaving. Great scene. And Pod!! Looking forward to the adventures of Brienne and Pod.

The Bran storyline is the weak one for me. Glad they got caught.... even if it was by those evil rapists. Hopefully Jon won't be far behind and we'll get some nice progression on the "north of the wall" plot. I suspect, Jon will abandon Castle Black to help Bran on his bigger quest.... after sussing out Locke and putting a sword through him.

Speaking of "north of the wall". White Walkers! Yay! So, there seems to be two classes of them. There's the ones we've seen already. Old and a bit haggard looking and now, we've seen a second type youthful, more "high born". I imagine they are the ones running the whole show. The two don't seem to interact given the scene we saw at the end. Very interesting insight anyway. Hope it doesn't take another season before we see any more of them

pickarooney wrote: »

Gillen's acting is the worst thing about this, and every other series he's been in. I don't understand how he's not on the dole. Like a plank he is. Stiff Littlefinger.

I think he's actually so bad that he's good, if you know what I mean. He is trying so hard to act devious and sneaky that it's gone full circle past being crap and straight back round to being good! TBH any scene with him and Varys/Tyrion lit up the show and I certainly hope there is more of that in store. It's not his fault he's stuck with dull as dishwater Sansa.

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention. Screw you showrunners! That "rape em till their dead" scene in the camp with women being brutally raped all around as that evil fcuker drank out of a skull was the final straw for my wife. She has now sworn off the show. Not that I blame her, it was a vile scene, probably as bad as anything shown before. Really wish the showrunners would stop trying to outdo themselves. We get it, Westeros is full of evil and danger, particularly for women. You don't have to shove it so violently in our faces.

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Yeah, that episode could nearly have done with a trigger warning, it was so over the top with the rape stuff. Like, was it really necessary to have a man visibly brutally raping a woman in the background while yer man is going on about "raping them til they're dead"? I mean, we get it. They're rapists. It doesn't need to be so heavy handed. Can't help but feel like some of that stuff is included deliberately by HBO just to fill their nudity quota and to be provocative. The objectifaction of women on the show continues to irk me.

In fairness, watching it in real time on Sky Atlantic, they did give a warning before it returned to that scene from the ad break. It did seem particularly more graphic both in terms of language and imagery than usual and probably did the right thing issuing a fore-warning.