Foreigners - Do they need to integrate?

Oranage2 · 25-04-2014 03:42PM #1

So my question is do foreigners need to integrate with the locals, learn the local language, adopt the local culture, traditions and customs etc?

In Ireland you see large communities of Asian, African and east Europeans who don't speak the language and usually just eat their own traditional food and socialize with their own kind.

Is this disrespectful of does it do no harm?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 25-04-2014 03:43PM

It's a free country, they can do what they like.

Elmo · 25-04-2014 03:44PM

It's important that they do both. It important that they can accept their new country as home and also be able to retain their own identity.

Potatoeman · 25-04-2014 03:48PM

Not integrating can cause issues as the community grows. The UK is having problems at the moment. You can't force integration though but things like having minimal education standards for entrants can improve the chances of it happening.

KingOfFairview · 25-04-2014 03:48PM

"Is it disrespectful that foreigners eat traditional food"?

No, it isn't.

bumper234 · 25-04-2014 03:50PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

So my question is do foreigners need to integrate with the locals, learn the local language, adopt the local culture, traditions and customs etc?

In Ireland you see large communities of Asian, African and east Europeans who don't speak the language and usually just eat their own traditional food and socialize with their own kind.

Is this disrespectful of does it do no harm?

You have just described 98% of Irish people who go abroad.

I am pie · 25-04-2014 03:51PM

KingOfFairview wrote: »

"Is it disrespectful that foreigners eat traditional food"?

No, it isn't.

bacon and cabbage or out with them! thank the lord some people turned up with more interesting food. speaking english is advantageous and should be a citizenship requirement, after that let them at it.

Kiith · 25-04-2014 03:52PM

I've always thought that if someone wants to work here, than they should have basic English.

Other than that, eating food they know and hanging around with people from back home is pretty common for any culture living away from home. We do it everywhere we go.

Alf. A. Male · 25-04-2014 03:55PM

I want to intergrate with the women. Other than that, let them do what they like so long as it's legal.

dissed doc · 25-04-2014 04:00PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

So my question is do foreigners need to integrate with the locals, learn the local language, adopt the local culture, traditions and customs etc?

In Ireland you see large communities of Asian, African and east Europeans who don't speak the language and usually just eat their own traditional food and socialize with their own kind.

Is this disrespectful of does it do no harm?

Ireland doesn't have a particularly strong culture or identity that is accessible or deep enough to require integration. It can be as difficult for someone in Galway to integrate into Dublin; at then, in North Dublin inner city? In southside Dalkey integration? Or someone from Tullamore developing a Cork accent, etc., etc. .

Integration needs to be defined, and not about who your friends are or what you eat. By and large it means IMO having a standard of the language (e.g., B1 level minimum) and also a course on the political system and democracy and "citizenship" or something. After that, free to do what you want at an individual level but not organising movement or groups that disrupt already existing communities (e.g., attempting to ghettoise an area like in the UK and France).

FTA69 · 25-04-2014 04:02PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

In Ireland you see large communities of Asian, African and east Europeans who usually just eat their own traditional food

They're right.

Irish food is sh*t.

Davarus Walrus · 25-04-2014 04:03PM

I'm hearing that some of the children in schools are at a disadvantage in schools from the very moment they start as they don't speak English at home. Educational disadvantage like that is a really bad start to give kids in life, and I'd fear for the consequences of letting it happen.

homemadecider · 25-04-2014 04:04PM

I think you're conflating "integrate" with "assimilate".

Lapin · 25-04-2014 04:06PM

I'm gonna get me some popcorn, kick back and watch this thread burn in a blaze of it's own crap.

Elmo · 25-04-2014 04:06PM

Lapin wrote: »

I'm gonna get me some popcorn, kick back and watch this thread burn in a blaze of it's own crap.

I may just stop following.

Outkast_IRE · 25-04-2014 04:07PM

Yes integration is very important, as an example look at the amount of Turkish Germany took in during the 70s/80s as workers and they put no effort into integrating them, now they are left with a significant population of whom some cant even speak German even though they were born there. They have their own little bars/restaurants and just don't mix, now a lot of them cant get work and its a big problem there.

The Turkish who have integrated are getting along fine for the most part. There is a real hate for those who haven't integrated though, it would be something like the way a lot of people here feel about a the travelling community.

MS.ing · 25-04-2014 04:11PM

they can do what they like as long as they dont try influence culture unless they are the majority here. they can **** right off with wearing burkas or whatever that full dress potential nutcase in disguise uniform is called.

KingOfFairview · 25-04-2014 04:13PM

MS.ing wrote: »

they can do what they like as long as they dont try influence culture unless they are the majority here. they can **** right off with wearing burkas or whatever that full dress potential nutcase in disguise uniform is called.

This post is full of coherent win.

Philo Beddoe · 25-04-2014 04:13PM

They should integrate into the community and learn the language, but for their own benefit, not because it's disrespectful to ours not to do so. I have no problem with the Somali couple downstairs not speaking much English, but I think it would benefit them to learn. Their kids do speak English, however. It's a situation repeated all over the world, first generation immigrants usually find it more difficult to integrate than their children.

Karl Stein · 25-04-2014 04:34PM

homemadecider wrote: »

assimilate

Something we tried to do with Travellers and made an almighty balls of.

MrWard · 25-04-2014 04:44PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Something we tried to do with Travellers and made an almighty balls of.

It seems that we are not doing too well at integration either.

MORE THAN HALF of Ireland’s new citizens believe their new status has not lead to greater integration.The survey by the Immigrant Council of Ireland together with academics of UCD found that 86 per cent of our new citizens have completed third level education while over 80 per cent are working.

Edit: Cant link to the full piece.

KingOfFairview · 25-04-2014 04:45PM

Does OP have an anecdote about a family of blacks living 20 to a room keeping him up all night long playing bongo drums next door? Cause the OP seems like the sort of person who has an anecdote about a family of blacks living 20 to a room keeping him up all night long playing bongo drums next door.

eisenberg1 · 25-04-2014 04:47PM

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

They should integrate into the community and learn the language, but for their own benefit, not because it's disrespectful to ours not to do so. I have no problem with the Somali couple downstairs not speaking much English, but I think it would benefit them to learn. Their kids do speak English, however. It's a situation repeated all over the world, first generation immigrants usually find it more difficult to integrate than their children.

You gotta learn the lingo, and especially English ( which will stand to you wherever you go) and where better to learn it than the way what we do speak it here:D

FTA69 · 25-04-2014 04:58PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

I'm hearing that some of the children in schools are at a disadvantage in schools from the very moment they start as they don't speak English at home. Educational disadvantage like that is a really bad start to give kids in life, and I'd fear for the consequences of letting it happen.

Yet the highest performing pupils in the UK are Nigerians and Chinese.

MrWard · 25-04-2014 05:00PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Yet the highest performing pupils in the UK are Nigerians and Chinese.

Citation needed.

Seaneh · 25-04-2014 05:02PM

bumper234 wrote: »

You have just described 98% of Irish people who go abroad.

The vast majority of Irish emigrants move to one of 5 English speaking countries.

MS.ing · 25-04-2014 05:06PM

Seaneh wrote: »

The vast majority of Irish emergents move to one of 5 English speaking countries.

where are they emerging from?

Boom__Boom · 25-04-2014 05:09PM

Seaneh wrote: »

The vast majority of Irish emigrants move to one of 5 English speaking countries.

emergents ????

:pac::pac::pac:

MrWard · 25-04-2014 05:09PM

MS.ing wrote: »

where are they emerging from?

In the last five years it's the U.K., Australia, Canada, America, New Zealand. In that order. All English speaking, I do believe.

FTA69 · 25-04-2014 05:11PM

MrWard wrote: »

Citation needed.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/22/white-british-children-outperformed-by-minorities

Boom__Boom · 25-04-2014 05:12PM

MS.ing wrote: »

where are they emerging from?

Emerging from the womb of Mother Ireland to spread around the world.

Foreigners - Do they need to integrate?

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