Does The Queen Still Own Ireland?

RoboRat · 23-04-2014 10:10AM

In fairness to the OP, as perviously stated, UK landlords did own the land up to the 1980's but I remember my father telling me that there was a once off buy out given to them to terminate this.

Lapin · 23-04-2014 10:11AM

Cap ^^^ :eek:

Surely a Top Hat for Royal Ascot?

A racecourse incidently owned by the Queen !

Custardpi · 23-04-2014 10:27AM

Actually, come to think of it the country is so heavily in hock to various international investors it's quite possible that one of Her Maj's pension funds or whatever does own a large part of us.

The Backwards Man · 23-04-2014 12:09PM

topper75 wrote: »

She reputedly owns the foreshores up to the high tide marks on both Lough Foyle and Carlingford Lough, or at least believes she does. The Irish government believe otherwise. They agree not to pick at the sensitive political scab. I googled this with no satisfactory results. Anyone clued in?

Dunno about Carlingford, but neither of them are making big waves about the Foyle because they don't want to pay for cleaning it up.:pac:

Fratton Fred · 23-04-2014 02:56PM

topper75 wrote: »

She reputedly owns the foreshores up to the high tide marks on both Lough Foyle and Carlingford Lough, or at least believes she does. The Irish government believe otherwise. They agree not to pick at the sensitive political scab. I googled this with no satisfactory results. Anyone clued in?

Crown estates is not owned by the Queen, it is owned by the British Government.

topper75 · 23-04-2014 03:02PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Crown estates is not owned by the Queen, it is owned by the British Government.

Is that like one of those "Sinn Féin has no control over the IRA" type things?:pac:

Fratton Fred · 23-04-2014 03:06PM

topper75 wrote: »

Is that like one of those "Sinn Féin has no control over the IRA" type things?:pac:

Nope, completely different. The government took control of the Crown Estates 250 years ago in return for paying off some King's debt. The monarch is nominally in charge, but actual control and revenue goes to the government.

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-04-2014 03:08PM

You don't think we got our independence for free do you?:D

Ash.J.Williams · 23-04-2014 03:08PM

i hurd dat da queen she ownz like all da swans in Eire and if ya tuch 1 u cud be locked up in da tower of lundun

topper75 · 23-04-2014 03:12PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Nope, completely different. The government took control of the Crown Estates 250 years ago in return for paying off some King's debt. The monarch is nominally in charge, but actual control and revenue goes to the government.

Ah yeah - fair enough. Was just being a smartarse. Those George fellas sure could spend. The Carlingford and Foyle situations are amusing curiosities but we may yet see some incident that brings the anomaly to the fore. Who knows.

Richard · 23-04-2014 03:15PM

Lapin wrote: »

Yep.

I bought my house 8 years ago.

On the deeds it says I have to meet the Queen on Tuesday 16th of June 2105 after the last race at Royal Ascot and hand her back the keys.

Must remember to book the day off work.

She won't be looking her best that day.

Pinch Flat · 23-04-2014 03:22PM

OP might be referring to Ground Rent. Common here in houses sold in the 1970's.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/owning_a_home/home_owners/ground_rent.html

Still being debated up to fairly recently.

http://www.kildarestreet.com/sendebates/?id=2012-09-25a.182

We used to get a ground rent demand on our 3 bed semi from some letter marked the Duke / Baron of somewhere (possibly Lord Waterford), ignored it and it went away. Might become and issue if people try to sell the house.

On a separate matter, Carlingford and Lough Erne are still disputed by the British - they claim that the boundary of NI extends to the souther shores of both (not the centre line). Bit cheeky, given we gave up Articles 2 & 3 democratically.

Richard · 23-04-2014 03:30PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

On a separate matter, Carlingford and Lough Erne are still disputed by the British - they claim that the boundary of NI extends to the souther shores of both (not the centre line). Bit cheeky, given we gave up Articles 2 & 3 democratically.

This really should have been clarified in the GFA. The Irish government claim all of both loughs as well, although in practice, they seem to follow international protocols in using the median line.

I am pie · 23-04-2014 03:30PM

What internet connection would you like sir?

Well, I live under a bridge, no fixed phone line, might have to go with a dongle.

Grand.

Nemeses · 23-04-2014 03:33PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i hurd dat da queen she ownz like all da swans in Eire and if ya tuch 1 u cud be locked up in da tower of lundun

*Londen..

ugh..

wexandproud · 23-04-2014 04:00PM

[[She reputedly owns the foreshores up to the high tide marks on both Lough Foyle and Carlingford Lough, or at least believes she does. The Irish government believe otherwise. They agree not to pick at the sensitive political scab. I googled this with no satisfactory results. Anyone clued in]]

the crown estate claims up to high water mark in lough foyle and to this day it is a very contentious issue who has the legal right to licence the shellfish growers operating in the foyle. back in the day boats working anywhere in the lough were under constant monitoring by the royal navy, however in carlingford lough there is a defined border and our department controls the south , agriculture and rural development licence the north , also there used to be a patrol boat going up and down the lough north of the shipping channel to warrenpoint, i think this channel also defines the border if not it is very close to it

UCDCritic · 23-04-2014 05:03PM

Is it possible to find out who owns what building in Dublin?

For example, who owns the premises that McDonald's is located in and so fourth....

ScumLord · 23-04-2014 05:10PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

A lot of the boglands would still be owned by the landed gentry across the way with local farmers having turbary and grazing rights.

Bastards, they know well cows don't eat turf.

topper75 · 23-04-2014 05:11PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

On a separate matter, Carlingford and Lough Erne are still disputed by the British - they claim that the boundary of NI extends to the souther shores of both (not the centre line). Bit cheeky, given we gave up Articles 2 & 3 democratically.

Nope - Lough Erne is entirely enclosed by Co. Fermanagh. Are you on about Foyle perchance?

Donkey Oaty · 23-04-2014 05:16PM

UCDCritic wrote: »

Is it possible to find out who owns what building in Dublin?

For example, who owns the premises that McDonald's is located in and so fourth....

Public info, as far as I know.

See here.

Son Of A Vidic · 23-04-2014 05:17PM

UCDCritic wrote: »

Does The Queen Still Own Ireland.

Well Freddie and the boys did play a legendary concert at Slane. But I'm pretty certain they didn't own the place, or anywhere else for that matter.

losthorizon · 23-04-2014 05:36PM

UCDCritic wrote: »

Someone once told me that although we gained our political indepdance the queen and others still owned the land.

Any truth to this?

Take for example the issue with rental outlets and how the rent can only ever go up, why is that the case? It sounds completely unfair, like the deal a colonial power would make.

I also heard that when you buy a house you're really only renting it for 99 years and after that time it goes back to the queen.

Please don't give me a lot of stick for this post if it's completely wrong.

You can easily check here if she owns land. (Or indeed the boundaries of what you own)

Some minor royals definitely still own land in Ireland like the Duke of Devonshire - Prince Charles often stays with them.

http://www.prai.ie/eng/landdirect_ie/About_landdirect_ie/

Pinch Flat · 23-04-2014 07:09PM

topper75 wrote: »

Nope - Lough Erne is entirely enclosed by Co. Fermanagh. Are you on about Foyle perchance?

Yep, looks like it - same sort of scenario as Carlingford, in that it forms the border between the UK & Ireland.

dxhound2005 · 23-04-2014 07:13PM

topper75 wrote: »

Nope - Lough Erne is entirely enclosed by Co. Fermanagh. Are you on about Foyle perchance?

Upper Lough Erne isn't.

Red Nissan · 23-04-2014 07:28PM

Everything you say has validity. It is not nation wide though, it is very territorial.

Blarney village in Cork for instance is owned by an English Lord. If you like you might search for village green fair cancelled in Blarney and you'll find evidence for your summations.

If you don't want to search, I can synopsize, Blarney Village grew up on the grounds of an ancient Irish King, the King of Munster and his throndom seat in Blarney Castle.

Later an English King gave the grounds to a family for their services to said English Crown, there are a lot of these in Ireland still. Jump into the 21st Century and we have the current family owners of the village and grounds, the village green was seen as free space and was even thought to be public, however, it turns out to be owned by the Blarney Castle Estate and they refused permission for a village fair, which had been taking place there for several years already, but was flatly refused by the current Lord.

That's a nutshell, the details are more rewarding if you are interested.

Pinch Flat · 23-04-2014 07:46PM

Duke of Devonshire (a relation of Prince Charles) still owns lots of land in Waterford (Lismore) and Cork. I think that was the fella who used to send us the odd 'ground rent' demand.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2585

Good website at NUIG - records a lot of the big land owners here from colonial time.

goose2005 · 23-04-2014 07:59PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

we even have the ridicolus situation of the duke/what ever he/she is that owns Lismore castle owns the blackwater....the only river in the world that is owned

The Earl of Shaftesbury owns all of Lough Neagh as well.

Karl Stein wrote: »

Peregrine Andrew Mornington Cavendish, the 12th Duke of Devonshire 'owns' a stretch of the Blackwater River in Munster and charges anglers for the pleasure of fishing 'his' river.

Why is that so monstrous, though? What differentiates it from a farmer who 'owns' 1,000 acres of land and charges other people rent to graze cattle on it?

tomwaterford · 23-04-2014 10:54PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

The clue is in the name - Royal National Lifeboat Institution - and I doubt whether the old man was press-ganged into signing up as a volunteer. But, hey let's burn everything English but their coal. :rolleyes:

but do you not thinks its a bit thick England running Irelands liftboats...how is that right for anyone involved????

goose2005 wrote: »

The Earl of Shaftesbury owns all of Lough Neagh as well.

Why is that so monstrous, though? What differentiates it from a farmer who 'owns' 1,000 acres of land and charges other people rent to graze cattle on it?

emm....because he's charging people to fish wild fish....its not like he put the fish there:rolleyes::rolleyes:....its all irrelevant anyway as the charge is routinely ignored

Red Nissan · 23-04-2014 11:21PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

on a side note....surly its about time Ireland ran its own lifeboats as well....I was at a funeral of an old man last year who was a volunteer lifeboat man in Dunmore and he got a medal years ago for bravery and had to go the queen to receive it....he always said he was proud to get it...but resented going to England for it even 50 odd years later:eek:

WE DO. We run the Irish Coastguard service rib inshore vessels, we also PAY [extra specially] for a Canadian Company to run our SAR Helicopters.

On a Personal Note, I'd actually prefer to PAY the RNLI for a SAR Helicopter service too, TBH.

The CHC do a great job, it is exactly that, a professional service, I've sent €100 to the RNLI and I don't even fish.

tomwaterford · 23-04-2014 11:31PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

WE DO. We run the Irish Coastguard service rib inshore vessels, we also PAY [extra specially] for a Canadian Company to run our SAR Helicopters.

On a Personal Note, I'd actually prefer to PAY the RNLI for a SAR Helicopter service too, TBH.

The CHC do a great job, it is exactly that, a professional service, I've sent €100 to the RNLI and I don't even fish.

AFAIK its the English that pay for the lifeboats around Ireland....this is a relic of some treaty back in the 1920s (could treaty of independence)

its just about time irland shld run its own services IMO
(not like id turn them away if I was stuck at sea:pac:)

Does The Queen Still Own Ireland?

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