Changes TV3 should make.

Mr Pseudonym · 11-04-2014 12:11AM

Jason_ wrote: »

People have suggested that Tv3 snap up Home and away, how much would that cost ? Would rte let it go so easily? It doesn't really pull in big numbers on rte2 anymore.

I think it's their most popular regular programme: Aertel Ratings.

iseegirls · 11-04-2014 12:37AM

Jason_ wrote: »

People have suggested that Tv3 snap up Home and away, how much would that cost ? Would rte let it go so easily? It doesn't really pull in big numbers on rte2 anymore.

It did used to pull in a far larger number before though.
If TV3 were to go for Home And Away, then they'd need to air it as close to possible after Australia airs it. There is no need for such a long break now, and from wiki, they were 27 episodes behind last year.

EdmondShiels3 · 11-04-2014 12:40PM

I think there is a reason we are that far behind and channel 5 are only a few episodes ahead of us. A lot of people are watch on youtube now so that is where the viewers for Home and away have gone and it is not as good as it use to be.

Fred Swanson · 11-04-2014 07:12PM

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kn · 11-04-2014 10:16PM

VB at 11pm is just too late for many people who watch/listen to current affairs.

irishfeen · 12-04-2014 04:26PM

Taking into account Elmo's News presenters I think something like this on a weekday would work very well and would be a real alternative to soap filled RTÉ and TV3. No major changes in programming (Except the introduction of Kids programmings) but a reorganistation down to one single HD channel and the removal of repeating shows over and over again.

07:00 Ireland AM
10:00 3 Kids: The Den – (Studio based show with classic/new homegrown shows)
12:00 3News: w/ Sybil Mulchay and Elaine Crowley.
12:30 Xpose.
13:00 Come Dine with Me.
13:30 Judge Judy
14:00 The Jeremy Kyle Show
15:00 The Chase
16:00 The Cube
17:00 Friends
17:30 The Lie
18:00 That 70’s Show
18:30 The Big Bang Theory
19:00 3 News: w/ Anton Savage and Collette Fitzpatrick
19:30 Modern Family
20:30 The Middle
21:30 American Dad
22:00 Tonight With Vincent Browne
23:00 Conan
00:00 Family Guy
00:30 The Cleveland Show

Elmo · 12-04-2014 04:43PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Taking into account Elmo's News presenters I think something like this on a weekday would work very well and would be a real alternative to soap filled RTÉ and TV3. No major changes in programming (Except the introduction of Kids programmings) but a reorganistation down to one single HD channel and the removal of repeating shows over and over again.

You've reduce all my news

Midday is like Xpose, largely pointless that's why I thought of putting 2 female presenters on the news and you'd not have to put up with the continued oh women aren't represented blah blah blah. (IMO: Women should be insulted by the way TV3 represent them on both shows).

The 5 to 7 news gives TV3 a lead into news before Six:One, not just a minute :rolleyes:

I can't see TV3 going after children's TV.

Prime Time shows like That 70’s Show, The Big Bang Theory, Modern Family, The Middle, American Dad, Conan and Family Guy won't get the type of audience that TV3 want/need.

No offence to Current Affairs lovers but UTV are going to have a CA programme and both RTÉ and TV3 have four each week (VB, Prime Time and TWIP). I think there is too much News and Current Affairs on Irish TV.

Elmo · 13-04-2014 06:44PM

Two articles on TV3 in the Sindo one by D. McRedmond.

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/ireland-is-the-new-hub-for-tv-formats-30180127.html

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/battle-stations-30177009.html

Sam Russell · 13-04-2014 07:23PM

The second article, above, starts:

Perhaps its greatest achievement was getting on air and staying there for one and a half decades with minimal help from the TV licence payer.

They obviously are unaware of the €80 million loan owed to the taxpayer which is parked at zero interest and basically written off. TV3 have also been able to buy back €60 m at a discount, again at the expense of the taxpayer.

The TV Licence payer was obviously not a taxpayer if they were not involved in the bail-out.

Mind you, it is in the Indo .......

Elmo · 15-04-2014 01:50PM

They have no plans to close 3e 23 RWC games to be put on the channel with 20 on TV3.

irishfeen · 15-04-2014 09:02PM

Elmo wrote: »

You've reduce all my news

Midday is like Xpose, largely pointless that's why I thought of putting 2 female presenters on the news and you'd not have to put up with the continued oh women aren't represented blah blah blah. (IMO: Women should be insulted by the way TV3 represent them on both shows).

The 5 to 7 news gives TV3 a lead into news before Six:One, not just a minute :rolleyes:

I can't see TV3 going after children's TV.

Prime Time shows like That 70’s Show, The Big Bang Theory, Modern Family, The Middle, American Dad, Conan and Family Guy won't get the type of audience that TV3 want/need.

No offence to Current Affairs lovers but UTV are going to have a CA programme and both RTÉ and TV3 have four each week (VB, Prime Time and TWIP). I think there is too much News and Current Affairs on Irish TV.

We can work on re-introducing your news Elmo

.. What audience TV3 want/need is the big question... they have lost Coronation Street and Emmerdale and RTÉ have retained Eastenders and the other BBC content so initially at least TV3 can expect to be pushed to 3rd position in the ratings behind RTÉ One and UTVI .. the prime time programmes which I set out would be of a standard to offer a real alternative and would help TV3 to rebuild their schedule over time and more importantly keep the station broadcasting.

I think they need to cover all age groups including kids, TV3 had inquired about launching a kids channel so they have considered it at least and would allow them fulfill their PSB requirements while rebuilding their homegrown prime time schedule.

Onthe3rdDay · 15-04-2014 10:32PM

Elmo wrote: »

You've reduce all my news

No offence to Current Affairs lovers but UTV are going to have a CA programme and both RTÉ and TV3 have four each week (VB, Prime Time and TWIP). I think there is too much News and Current Affairs on Irish TV.

You might think that but you have to give the people what they want. RTE One would never work in the UK because of it's high levels of current affiars in Prime time. Local Radio stations in this Country have to provide 20% news and current affairs, Outside of Dublin most put out almost 40%.

As far as I'm concerned TV3 have lost the housewives market now that the soaps have gone to UTVI. RTE at that time are also showing shows that are more geared to a non current affairs Market.

What I would do if I were TV3 would be to counter schedule to everyone else. Those that watch news are less likely to be interested in Soaps (especially males 25-55) So an evening would look something like this.

6.00 Comedy Hour (Big Bang Theory etc)
7.00 One of the quizzes in development (hopefully they'll have a decent one by this time next year.
7.30 Main Evening News.
8.00 Vincent Browne/Other Current Affairs.
9.00 US/ Aus Series
10.00 US/Aus Series
11.00 Comedy
11.30 Late News
11.45 Conan.

Both RTE 1 and UTVI will have Entertainment on 7-9pm in general, TV3 will have News and Current affairs

From 9-11 RTE1 and 10-11 on UTV there will be news and current affairs. At that stage TV3 will then have switched to entertainment.

However, I fully expect the following Schedule.

5.45 News
6.00 Xpose
6.30 TV3 Quiz
7.00 TV3 Doc on Travellers
8.00 Customs Patrol double Bill
9.00 Nightly Film
11.00 Vincent Browne. (and if they can get away with it, US import instead)

Thomas D · 15-04-2014 10:34PM

irishfeen wrote: »

TV3 might just be too far gone and in too much debt to survive but a complete change in approach is needed to have any chance - if I was running TV3 I would over a short period of time;

- Combine TV3/3e down to one single channel/schedule maybe with a change in name to start afresh.

- Launch TV3 HD as soon as possible to launch on all platforms.

- Negotiate with UTVI over leasing EPG slot 105 for say a 10 year period of time and ensure a constant supply of funding.

- For Champions League/Europa Lg coverage next season (in HD), end studio analysis and TV3 commentary and use international feed.

- Bring Vincent Browne forward to 10-11pm incorporated with a main evening news bulletin @10pm with Conan/another US talk show from 11-12pm and Family Guy and American Dad into the early hours of the morning.

- Expand the News & Current affairs department (not decimate it) with live updates on the hour every hour including the ability to break away from normal programming for major Breaking News events.

- Two new half hour news bulletins @ 12/7pm.

- Try and get Hollyoaks and Home & Away in particular along with the new TV3 soap to cover that audience.

- Concentrate efforts on prime time television (after 12/1pm)

- Get rid of Xpose at 6pm and reschedule it to before 3pm.

- Get rid of Judge Judy at 04.30pm to before 3pm.

- Use the BAI's Sound and Vision fund much more to make new Irish homegrown content.

- Look seriously into new co-productions with the BBC/ITV akin to what RTÉ does very regularly.

That's seriously impressive advice. You'd pay a consultant to hear a lot worse.

BuzzG · 15-04-2014 10:40PM

+1 very well thought out indeed.

Elmo · 15-04-2014 10:51PM

The problem of combining TV3/3e programming is that you actually dilute the numbers watching.

If you go back to 1998 when TV3 started their schedule was filled with US programming and a few UK imports from Channel 5 and the BBC.

TV3 grew from 3% to 7% by the time that Granada took a share in the company. The type of programming changed. But TV3 only saw a minor increase to 10% by 2004 it was at 14% and then it dropped back to 11% by 2013.

IMO in 2015 TV3 will see their audience fall back to 2001 levels if they decided on a similar most popular US content schedule. A channel like TV3 needs a variety of programming it can just have a strip schedule in Prime Time, other wise it becomes nothing more than another 3E.

TV3 isn't a youth channel, this is something that TV3 have failed to understand. Over the last 15 years they needed to work at increasing their mainstream audiences they didn't do this. The made a few in roads to producing some prime time programmes, but the best ones were largely paid for by the Licence Fee, while at the same time they increase their Daytime output, purely to be able to say that 50% of their content was Irish.

Prime Time goes from 6pm to 11pm. All Irish channels should focus on these hours. With a variety of new and repeatable programmes.

3e on the other hand is just simply a cheap TV channel that can earn some money, but if it continues the way it does its audience will move to other better services like E4.

Though it makes no sense to put RWC on 3E, unless you have clashing games.

irishfeen · 15-04-2014 11:08PM

Elmo wrote: »

The problem of combining TV3/3e programming is that you actually dilute the numbers watching.

If you go back to 1998 when TV3 started their schedule was filled with US programming and a few UK imports from Channel 5 and the BBC.

TV3 grew from 3% to 7% by the time that Granada took a share in the company. The type of programming changed. But TV3 only saw a minor increase to 10% by 2004 it was at 14% and then it dropped back to 11% by 2013.

IMO in 2015 TV3 will see their audience fall back to 2001 levels if they decided on a similar most popular US content schedule. A channel like TV3 needs a variety of programming it can just have a strip schedule in Prime Time, other wise it becomes nothing more than another 3E.

TV3 isn't a youth channel, this is something that TV3 have failed to understand. Over the last 15 years they needed to work at increasing their mainstream audiences they didn't do this. The made a few in roads to producing some prime time programmes, but the best ones were largely paid for by the Licence Fee, while at the same time they increase their Daytime output, purely to be able to say that 50% of their content was Irish.

Prime Time goes from 6pm to 11pm. All Irish channels should focus on these hours. With a variety of new and repeatable programmes.

3e on the other hand is just simply a cheap TV channel that can earn some money, but if it continues the way it does its audience will move to other better services like E4.

Though it makes no sense to put RWC on 3E, unless you have clashing games.

You see for me you are exactly explaining in one way why there is a need for 3e to be abolished - you call it a "cheap TV channel" ... is there any worse statement you could make of a PSB's second channel.

A cheap channel makes the entire brand cheap, looks bad for advertisers and in the long term does no good.. IMO they have the resources and content for one decent TV station (just about) - diluting the audience wouldn't be a factor because a strong primary station with a decent alternative schedule will increase audience not push them away.

irishfeen · 15-04-2014 11:12PM

Thomas D wrote: »

That's seriously impressive advice. You'd pay a consultant to hear a lot worse.

Thanks but seriously these are things are beyond simple both to think of and to implement ... Every thing I set out would improve the TV3 brand, for the bosses at TV3 to continue on their current path is to me beyond belief and will IMO lead to the closure of the station in the long run.

They need fresh thinkers and a complete change in attitude - firstly blaming RTÉ should be outlawed inside TV3 ... RTÉ are what TV3 needs to aim for - an institution in Irish broadcasting.

Onthe3rdDay · 15-04-2014 11:34PM

irishfeen wrote: »

They need fresh thinkers and a complete change in attitude - firstly blaming RTÉ should be outlawed inside TV3 ... RTÉ are what TV3 needs to aim for - an institution in Irish broadcasting.

I agree with some of your sheduling Ideas and I disagree with others, but you appear to put some thought into the process, something that TV3 doesn't appear to do. It's basically a blame game for them, everything and everyone else is wrong and they plus one or two of their apologists (Irish Times would be one) seem to be stuck in a constant cycle of blame.

It would be a financial mistake to close 3e. If they put a proper schedule on 3e they could easily spruce up the station and increase viewership. Every other broadcasting organization is setting up extra stations to defend their viewing figures. TV3 with just the one station would be very exposed.

Elmo · 15-04-2014 11:46PM

irishfeen wrote: »

You see for me you are exactly explaining in one way why there is a need for 3e to be abolished - you call it a "cheap TV channel" ... is there any worse statement you could make of a PSB's second channel.

You end up just giving that ad revenue to other companies outside the state like Sky.

Though I agree with what you saying. I would rather see much more focus by all channels on quality TV without the need to think that the need more channels to achieve some kind of choice.

Mr Pseudonym · 16-04-2014 02:04AM

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

It would be a financial mistake to close 3e. If they put a proper schedule on 3e they could easily spruce up the station and increase viewership. Every other broadcasting organization is setting up extra stations to defend their viewing figures. TV3 with just the one station would be very exposed.

Elmo wrote: »

You end up just giving that ad revenue to other companies outside the state like Sky.

I agree with the above. 3e plays a lot of repeats and cheap imports. Also, a lot of the US stuff they buy comes in packages: quality packaged with less popular content - 3e allows them to keep the dodgy stuff off their main schedule. So, it's a cheap channel that allows them to get maximum value out of their content, while picking up low-level ad revenue.

That is obviously to say nothing of the effect on "the brand". But, there is financial sense to retaining 3e.

Mr Pseudonym · 16-04-2014 03:19AM

Add this to your schedules: a Saturday night entertainment show to rival Brenda O'Connor's on RTE. I hope it won't rely on getting good guests, because, if LLS struggles, imagine how TV3 will do!

irishfeen · 16-04-2014 07:13PM

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

I agree with some of your sheduling Ideas and I disagree with others, but you appear to put some thought into the process, something that TV3 doesn't appear to do. It's basically a blame game for them, everything and everyone else is wrong and they plus one or two of their apologists (Irish Times would be one) seem to be stuck in a constant cycle of blame.

It would be a financial mistake to close 3e. If they put a proper schedule on 3e they could easily spruce up the station and increase viewership. Every other broadcasting organization is setting up extra stations to defend their viewing figures. TV3 with just the one station would be very exposed.

You see after January 1st TV3 will lose some massive ITV shows ... you say "put a proper schedule" but being brutally honest they won't hardly be able to come up with a quality schedule with one channel don't mind two - as I said I would enter negotiations with UTV to lease out EPG 105 and either pushing 3e to 115-120 or closing the station altogether.... getting one channel right should be their main focus.

Onthe3rdDay · 16-04-2014 07:34PM

irishfeen wrote: »

You see after January 1st TV3 will lose some massive ITV shows ... you say "put a proper schedule" but being brutally honest they won't hardly be able to come up with a quality schedule with one channel don't mind two - as I said I would enter negotiations with UTV to lease out EPG 105 and either pushing 3e to 115-120 or closing the station altogether.... getting one channel right should be their main focus.

Indeed they will lose most of their shows, but there are plenty more to buy out there that are of a decent quality. With good promotion and clever purchases they could easily have an excellent line up on both stations with bought in programmes from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. You can also get Irish rights for a load of decent programmes that are made in America and that haven't a high profile on this side of the world. The shows mightn't be known but that's why you have a marketing team.

If they did close 3e you could easily see another competitor enter the Market. They made one huge mistake not renewing the soaps, as it left UTV enter the market properly. If 3e closed you could see someone else take a chance, there's always vanity money around for TV projects. And who knows, done correctly they could become the 4 biggest station in the Market. TV3 could find itself in 5th!!!

I don't think 3e have the right to lease out their 105 EPG slot. It's not the same as commercially owned slots further up the EPG. It's not TV3's to barter. I would presume SKY and the BAI would discuss what happens to it if 3e was to close.

Obviously that does mean that TV3 have to go out and buy some programmes. Now that the loss making soaps are gone

that shouldn't be a problem.

irishfeen · 16-04-2014 07:41PM

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

Indeed they will lose most of their shows, but there are plenty more to buy out there that are of a decent quality. With good promotion and clever purchases they could easily have an excellent line up on both stations with bought in programmes from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. You can also get Irish rights for a load of decent programmes that are made in America and that haven't a high profile on this side of the world. The shows mightn't be known but that's why you have a marketing team.

If they did close 3e you could easily see another competitor enter the Market. They made one huge mistake not renewing the soaps, as it left UTV enter the market properly. If 3e closed you could see someone else take a chance, there's always vanity money around for TV projects. And who knows, done correctly they could become the 4 biggest station in the Market. TV3 could find itself in 5th!!!

I don't think 3e have the right to lease out their 105 EPG slot. It's not the same as commercially owned slots further up the EPG. It's not TV3's to barter. I would presume SKY and the BAI would discuss what happens to it if 3e was to close.

Obviously that does mean that TV3 have to go out and buy some programmes. Now that the loss making soaps are gone that shouldn't be a problem.

I think the EPG slots are Sky's baby and i'm very sure they would prefer UTVI in 105 then 3e ... I fully agree with you that they could buy quality programming and transform both channels but the fact is they are broke to the ropes... if they can't purchase new rights between now and January 1st what kind of schedule would work in drawing viewers on both TV3 and 3e? ... I honestly can't see how you could fill the schedules of both effectively without more of the same old s.hite.

Onthe3rdDay · 16-04-2014 07:52PM

irishfeen wrote: »

I think the EPG slots are Sky's baby and i'm very sure they would prefer UTVI in 105 then 3e ... I fully agree with you that they could buy quality programming and transform both channels but the fact is they are broke to the ropes... if they can't purchase new rights between now and January 1st what kind of schedule would work in drawing viewers on both TV3 and 3e? ... I honestly can't see how you could fill the schedules of both effectively without more of the same old s.hite.

It's only filled with the same old excrement because TV3 have chosen to show the same old shows over and over again. I agree with you that they are broke to the ropes, there's still a real chance that we'll be watching rugby elsewhere in 2015.

However, they have saved millions from the soaps so they say. It doesn't cost that much to buy decent drama from elsewhere if the will and the ability is there. 3 Million+ would have gone a very long way in international markets buying Drama that was a year or two old, but had not been seen here.

The Cush · 16-04-2014 09:20PM

irishfeen wrote: »

I think the EPG slots are Sky's baby and i'm very sure they would prefer UTVI in 105 then 3e ...

105 is a PSB slot and UTVi isn't a PSB channel so they won't be getting 105.

https://corporate.sky.com/file.axd?pointerid=5c857aa08dae4ece9c83bf84f55f17ce

Elmo · 16-04-2014 09:29PM

The Cush wrote: »

105 is a PSB slot and UTVi isn't a PSB channel so they won't be getting 105.

https://corporate.sky.com/file.axd?pointerid=5c857aa08dae4ece9c83bf84f55f17ce

Wait a company not regulated in Ireland is a self-regulator.

Sky can just turn around and say that 3e isn't a traditional PSB, its much more like E4 (A government owned PBS) that resides on channel 136. On the other hand UTV while not technically a PBS in ROI it's sister channel in NI is a PBS and it looks like it will provide more PBS than 3E currently does.

I think that RTÉ 1 +1 will move on UPC, with UTV taking that place.

OR UTV decide to be Channel 10

10 Saorview, 110 UPC, 110 Sky

The Cush · 16-04-2014 10:32PM

Elmo wrote: »

Sky can just turn around and say that 3e isn't a traditional PSB,

Sky defers to what the regulator here regulates as a PSB

Listing of public service channels

In this section, “public service channels” are those channels identified as such in accordance with section 310 of the Communications Act 2003, or, in the case of channels licensed by the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland, those channels which are regulated in an equivalent or similar manner in Ireland.

When allocating listings to public service channels, Sky seeks to give such channels an appropriate degree of prominence.

Elmo wrote: »

OR UTV decide to be Channel 10

10 Saorview, 110 UPC, 110 Sky

Saorview LCN 10 is too far down the epg, probably on the next page of most receivers and after the vacant LCN 9

Elmo · 16-04-2014 10:56PM

The Cush wrote: »

Sky defers to what the regulator here regulates as a PSB

Saorview LCN 10 is too far down the epg, probably on the next page of most receivers and after the vacant LCN 9

Aren't sky nice, though I assume their Opt-out advertising defers to OfCom

And there are so many channels on Soarview for that to really make the difference.

Also post the BAI EPG guidelines as outlined in the Broadcasting Act 2009, I'd be interested in reading them.

irishfeen · 16-04-2014 11:03PM

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

It's only filled with the same old excrement because TV3 have chosen to show the same old shows over and over again. I agree with you that they are broke to the ropes, there's still a real chance that we'll be watching rugby elsewhere in 2015.

However, they have saved millions from the soaps so they say. It doesn't cost that much to buy decent drama from elsewhere if the will and the ability is there. 3 Million+ would have gone a very long way in international markets buying Drama that was a year or two old, but had not been seen here.

I really don't understand why TV3 didn't reach an agreement with AMC in the states - they are churning out some excellent stuff lately but apart from that sky and the other Irish/British channels have the best of the stuff sown up... there is of course an awful amount of stuff made in the states but realistically the vast majority is utter s.hite and what we get here for the most part is the hand picked best of it.

Changes TV3 should make.

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