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still no grá for peaceful protests yet??

  • 16-04-2014 07:22PM
    #1
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭


    seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

    this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!


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  • #2
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    renegademaster wrote: »
    this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

    Yes it could have.

    What other form of justice do we have except a trial in a courtroom?

    No amount of placards and protests matter to a jury, they're only supposed to consider the evidence.

    Whelan and McAteer could still go to jail though.


  • #3
    MS.ing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 680 ✭✭✭MS.ing


    nimby


  • #4
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Justice was done? Or do you mean extra-judicial "justice" of the sort that's worthy of your username?


  • #5
    irishguitarlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭irishguitarlad


    Getting people on the streets does nothing


  • #6
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Yes it could have.

    What other form of justice do we have except a trial in a courtroom?

    well maybe it could have but would you agree we'd have had more of a chance of a proper trial if people had shown they gave a $hit


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  • #7
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    renegademaster wrote: »
    well maybe it could have but would you agree we'd have had more of a chance of a proper trial if people had shown they gave a $hit

    No.

    It was a proper trial.

    We're not happy with the result but it was still a proper trial.


  • #8
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    renegademaster wrote: »
    well maybe it could have but would you agree we'd have had more of a chance of a proper trial if people had shown they gave a $hit

    What's wrong with the trial he was given?


  • #9
    MS.ing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 680 ✭✭✭MS.ing


    renegademaster wrote: »
    well maybe it could have but would you agree we'd have had more of a chance of a proper trial if people had shown they gave a $hit

    yes, because propper trials are conducted, when people are shown to be giving a ****, nothing at all to do with lawyers doing the best they can for their client


  • #10
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    renegademaster wrote: »
    seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

    ... or you could start yet another thread about it.


  • #11
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    MS.ing wrote: »
    yes, because propper trials are conducted, when people are shown to be giving a ****, nothing at all to do with lawyers doing the best they can for their client

    The People need better Lawyers. :) Ours are broken.


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  • #12
    EyeSight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭EyeSight


    The trial was fine. I think the OP is referring to having better laws around corruption. Maybe faster action too


  • #13
    comongethappy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    renegademaster wrote: »
    seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

    this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

    Your asked this already in the politics forum.

    Have you not started your revolution yet?


  • #14
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    comongethappy wrote: »
    Your asked this already in the politics forum.

    Have you not started your revolution yet?

    Renegades weekly "Why are you guys not rebelling" thread:D


  • #15
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Protests should be focused on a target. What's the target here? "The Government"? "Bankers"? Too vague, and neither are going to go away because you're unhappy with them.

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • #16
    EyeSight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭EyeSight


    If you are protesting please:
    Don't make it a republican/socialist event
    Don't block traffic and makes citizens life difficult - It turns them against your cause and doesn't have any negative impact on those you are protesting against


  • #17
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    bnt wrote: »
    Protests should be focused on a target. What's the target here? "The Government"? "Bankers"? Too vague, and neither are going to go away because you're unhappy with them.

    vagueness seem to be a common trait in the many rabble rousing threads started by this poster

    Plenty of soapboxing but no actual ideas about what to do after this proposed "revolution"


  • #18
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    irishguitarlad wrote: »
    Getting people on the streets does nothing

    Not true. Remember the pensioners marching on the Dail about the medical card issue ? It was quickly reversed as a result.

    I agree it's not always effective but if enough people protest it's difficult to ignore.

    Problem is most of the protests to date have a republican or trade union element and a lot of people want to distance themselves from this.

    The other problem is that many of us work and don't have time to protest.

    If we could get families out in unity on a Saturday with no republican or union agenda behind the organisers it might stand a chance.


  • #19
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    renegademaster wrote: »
    seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

    this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

    Cant stand the kunt but you are suggesting that a randomly drawn jury of ordinary citizens was corrupt.
    That makes you worse than him in my book!


  • #20
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    renegademaster wrote: »
    seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

    this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

    Does this loosely translate as "I want Seanie Fitzpatrick to be in Jail regardless of what evidence may or may not exist?"


  • #21
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    OP, 10 out of 10 for consistency and perseverance but I have to feel sorry for you in so many ways. You really have to let this go and get on with life.

    There was a full trial and justice has been done. Just because you wanted a different result is no reason for protest. And to assert that had there been protest then the verdict would have been different is nonsense.


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  • #22
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    Theres no doubt that they contributed to the economic downfall but it appears to have happened by way of incompetence rather than design.


  • #23
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Swanner wrote: »
    Not true. Remember the pensioners marching on the Dail about the medical card issue ? It was quickly reversed as a result.

    I agree it's not always effective but if enough people protest it's difficult to ignore.

    Problem is most of the protests to date have a republican or trade union element and a lot of people want to distance themselves from this.

    The other problem is that many of us work and don't have time to protest.

    If we could get families out in unity on a Saturday with no republican or union agenda behind the organisers it might stand a chance.

    That was in 2008 and it was the rich section of pensioners, the ones with €700 a week or more income (€1400 a week for a pensioner couple). And that was a different government. Since then pensioners have gone without any increase since 2010 and they have lost their Christmas bonus. Have you not got any more up to date examples of protests that worked, especially against the current government?


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Swanner wrote: »
    Not true. Remember the pensioners marching on the Dail about the medical card issue ? It was quickly reversed as a result.

    I agree it's not always effective but if enough people protest it's difficult to ignore.

    Problem is most of the protests to date have a republican or trade union element and a lot of people want to distance themselves from this.

    The other problem is that many of us work and don't have time to protest.

    If we could get families out in unity on a Saturday with no republican or union agenda behind the organisers it might stand a chance.

    The Medical Card for OAP's is means tested now, so their "victory" was short lived. Common sense won the day. Why should someone bringing in over €700 a week have free medical card? Most were only using them for the doctor and medication, while using their VHI to beat the queues. They've also lost their electric and phone units.


  • #25
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    This post has been deleted.


  • #26
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    The real protest will be the middle ground of ordinary people who are fed up of free loading scummers, criminals doing as they see fit, and the top 1% ripping us all off realising that they should identify with people like themselves and never again vote for parties that betray them. The middle ground needs to look to itself and look out for itself. Wake the f**k up.


  • #27
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Have you not got any more up to date examples of protests that worked, especially against the current government?

    There haven't been any large scale peaceful protests in Ireland in the lifetime of this government. Something that I think is to our shame and I've no doubt our kids will wonder in time why we rolled over and accepted the debts that they will be saddled with for years to come.

    Anyway, the pots and pans revolution in Iceland is a classic example of how people power and peaceful protest can not only bring down a government but can force real reform for the better. It all started with 1 man protesting outside their parliament. Imagine what we could achieve as a nation without the cronyism and corruption but we're too subservient to actually do anything about it.


  • #28
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Swanner wrote: »
    There haven't been any large scale peaceful protests in Ireland in the lifetime of this government. Something that I think is to our shame and I've no doubt our kids will wonder in time why we rolled over and accepted the debts that they will be saddled with for years to come.

    Anyway, the pots and pans revolution in Iceland is a classic example of how people power and peaceful protest can not only bring down a government but can force real reform for the better. It all started with 1 man protesting outside their parliament. Imagine what we could achieve as a nation without the cronyism and corruption but we're too subservient to actually do anything about it.
    Started with one man eh? Well off you go Swanner. No time like the present.


  • #29
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    Cant stand the kunt but you are suggesting that a randomly drawn jury of ordinary citizens was corrupt.
    That makes you worse than him in my book!
    "Worse than him"?
    I don't agree with the OP either, but he's hardly worse than him just for saying that.


  • #30
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    "Worse than him"?
    I don't agree with the OP either, but he's hardly worse than him just for saying that.
    He is if he believes it.


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  • #31
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 56,569 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Swanner wrote: »
    There haven't been any large scale peaceful protests in Ireland in the lifetime of this government. Something that I think is to our shame and I've no doubt our kids will wonder in time why we rolled over and accepted the debts that they will be saddled with for years to come.

    Anyway, the pots and pans revolution in Iceland is a classic example of how people power and peaceful protest can not only bring down a government but can force real reform for the better. It all started with 1 man protesting outside their parliament. Imagine what we could achieve as a nation without the cronyism and corruption but we're too subservient to actually do anything about it.

    Were the Iceland protests hijacked by republicans, unions, the loony left and crustys?


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