still no grá for peaceful protests yet??

renegademaster

seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

AnonoBoy

renegademaster wrote: »

this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

Yes it could have.

What other form of justice do we have except a trial in a courtroom?

No amount of placards and protests matter to a jury, they're only supposed to consider the evidence.

Whelan and McAteer could still go to jail though.

MS.ing

nimby

Amirani

Justice was done? Or do you mean extra-judicial "justice" of the sort that's worthy of your username?

irishguitarlad

Getting people on the streets does nothing

renegademaster

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Yes it could have.

What other form of justice do we have except a trial in a courtroom?

well maybe it could have but would you agree we'd have had more of a chance of a proper trial if people had shown they gave a $hit

AnonoBoy

renegademaster wrote: »

well maybe it could have but would you agree we'd have had more of a chance of a proper trial if people had shown they gave a $hit

No.

It was a proper trial.

We're not happy with the result but it was still a proper trial.

bumper234

renegademaster wrote: »

well maybe it could have but would you agree we'd have had more of a chance of a proper trial if people had shown they gave a $hit

What's wrong with the trial he was given?

MS.ing

renegademaster wrote: »

well maybe it could have but would you agree we'd have had more of a chance of a proper trial if people had shown they gave a $hit

yes, because propper trials are conducted, when people are shown to be giving a ****, nothing at all to do with lawyers doing the best they can for their client

Phoebas

renegademaster wrote: »

seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

... or you could start yet another thread about it.

Stavros Murphy

MS.ing wrote: »

yes, because propper trials are conducted, when people are shown to be giving a ****, nothing at all to do with lawyers doing the best they can for their client

The People need better Lawyers. Ours are broken.

EyeSight

The trial was fine. I think the OP is referring to having better laws around corruption. Maybe faster action too

comongethappy

renegademaster wrote: »

seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

Your asked this already in the politics forum.

Have you not started your revolution yet?

bumper234

comongethappy wrote: »

Your asked this already in the politics forum.

Have you not started your revolution yet?

Renegades weekly "Why are you guys not rebelling" thread:D

bnt

Protests should be focused on a target. What's the target here? "The Government"? "Bankers"? Too vague, and neither are going to go away because you're unhappy with them.

EyeSight

If you are protesting please:
Don't make it a republican/socialist event
Don't block traffic and makes citizens life difficult - It turns them against your cause and doesn't have any negative impact on those you are protesting against

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

bnt wrote: »

Protests should be focused on a target. What's the target here? "The Government"? "Bankers"? Too vague, and neither are going to go away because you're unhappy with them.

vagueness seem to be a common trait in the many rabble rousing threads started by this poster

Plenty of soapboxing but no actual ideas about what to do after this proposed "revolution"

The Bishop Basher

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Getting people on the streets does nothing

Not true. Remember the pensioners marching on the Dail about the medical card issue ? It was quickly reversed as a result.

I agree it's not always effective but if enough people protest it's difficult to ignore.

Problem is most of the protests to date have a republican or trade union element and a lot of people want to distance themselves from this.

The other problem is that many of us work and don't have time to protest.

If we could get families out in unity on a Saturday with no republican or union agenda behind the organisers it might stand a chance.

sillyoulfool

renegademaster wrote: »

seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

Cant stand the kunt but you are suggesting that a randomly drawn jury of ordinary citizens was corrupt.
That makes you worse than him in my book!

Wacker The Attacker

renegademaster wrote: »

seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

Does this loosely translate as "I want Seanie Fitzpatrick to be in Jail regardless of what evidence may or may not exist?"

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

OP, 10 out of 10 for consistency and perseverance but I have to feel sorry for you in so many ways. You really have to let this go and get on with life.

There was a full trial and justice has been done. Just because you wanted a different result is no reason for protest. And to assert that had there been protest then the verdict would have been different is nonsense.

Wacker The Attacker

Theres no doubt that they contributed to the economic downfall but it appears to have happened by way of incompetence rather than design.

dxhound2005

Swanner wrote: »

Not true. Remember the pensioners marching on the Dail about the medical card issue ? It was quickly reversed as a result.

I agree it's not always effective but if enough people protest it's difficult to ignore.

Problem is most of the protests to date have a republican or trade union element and a lot of people want to distance themselves from this.

The other problem is that many of us work and don't have time to protest.

If we could get families out in unity on a Saturday with no republican or union agenda behind the organisers it might stand a chance.

That was in 2008 and it was the rich section of pensioners, the ones with €700 a week or more income (€1400 a week for a pensioner couple). And that was a different government. Since then pensioners have gone without any increase since 2010 and they have lost their Christmas bonus. Have you not got any more up to date examples of protests that worked, especially against the current government?

Swanner

Swanner wrote: »

Not true. Remember the pensioners marching on the Dail about the medical card issue ? It was quickly reversed as a result.

I agree it's not always effective but if enough people protest it's difficult to ignore.

Problem is most of the protests to date have a republican or trade union element and a lot of people want to distance themselves from this.

The other problem is that many of us work and don't have time to protest.

If we could get families out in unity on a Saturday with no republican or union agenda behind the organisers it might stand a chance.

The Medical Card for OAP's is means tested now, so their "victory" was short lived. Common sense won the day. Why should someone bringing in over €700 a week have free medical card? Most were only using them for the doctor and medication, while using their VHI to beat the queues. They've also lost their electric and phone units.

Fred Swanson

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Cantremember

The real protest will be the middle ground of ordinary people who are fed up of free loading scummers, criminals doing as they see fit, and the top 1% ripping us all off realising that they should identify with people like themselves and never again vote for parties that betray them. The middle ground needs to look to itself and look out for itself. Wake the f**k up.

The Bishop Basher

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Have you not got any more up to date examples of protests that worked, especially against the current government?

There haven't been any large scale peaceful protests in Ireland in the lifetime of this government. Something that I think is to our shame and I've no doubt our kids will wonder in time why we rolled over and accepted the debts that they will be saddled with for years to come.

Anyway, the pots and pans revolution in Iceland is a classic example of how people power and peaceful protest can not only bring down a government but can force real reform for the better. It all started with 1 man protesting outside their parliament. Imagine what we could achieve as a nation without the cronyism and corruption but we're too subservient to actually do anything about it.

Iwasfrozen

Swanner wrote: »

There haven't been any large scale peaceful protests in Ireland in the lifetime of this government. Something that I think is to our shame and I've no doubt our kids will wonder in time why we rolled over and accepted the debts that they will be saddled with for years to come.

Anyway, the pots and pans revolution in Iceland is a classic example of how people power and peaceful protest can not only bring down a government but can force real reform for the better. It all started with 1 man protesting outside their parliament. Imagine what we could achieve as a nation without the cronyism and corruption but we're too subservient to actually do anything about it.

Started with one man eh? Well off you go Swanner. No time like the present.

Femme_Fatale

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Cant stand the kunt but you are suggesting that a randomly drawn jury of ordinary citizens was corrupt.
That makes you worse than him in my book!

"Worse than him"?
I don't agree with the OP either, but he's hardly worse than him just for saying that.

Iwasfrozen

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

"Worse than him"?
I don't agree with the OP either, but he's hardly worse than him just for saying that.

He is if he believes it.

awec

Swanner wrote: »

There haven't been any large scale peaceful protests in Ireland in the lifetime of this government. Something that I think is to our shame and I've no doubt our kids will wonder in time why we rolled over and accepted the debts that they will be saddled with for years to come.

Anyway, the pots and pans revolution in Iceland is a classic example of how people power and peaceful protest can not only bring down a government but can force real reform for the better. It all started with 1 man protesting outside their parliament. Imagine what we could achieve as a nation without the cronyism and corruption but we're too subservient to actually do anything about it.

Were the Iceland protests hijacked by republicans, unions, the loony left and crustys?

Femme_Fatale

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

He is if he believes it.

Definitely. Merely believing something of course trumps actually carrying something out. Yeh.

Foxhound38

renegademaster wrote: »

seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

I bet if we protested *really* hard, the court would have to ignore the law of the land :rolleyes:

Foxhound38

renegademaster wrote: »

well maybe it could have but would you agree we'd have had more of a chance of a proper trial if people had shown they gave a $hit

What, specifically was improper about the trial?

The fact that you don't like the verdict does not invalidate the legitimacy of the trial.

Uriel.

Oh God not this again

SaveOurLyric

Swanner wrote: »

There haven't been any large scale peaceful protests in Ireland in the lifetime of this government. Something that I think is to our shame and I've no doubt our kids will wonder in time why we rolled over and accepted the debts that they will be saddled with for years to come.

The kids of the great unwashed may wonder about it, but their thoughts are of little or no value. The kids of the future who have an understanding of the situation and actions taken, will be impressed and grateful that there were sufficient people of good judgement in Ireland at a crucial time who avoided such rabble rousing pointless protesting to make themselves feel better, and instead, got on with the tough job of correcting the mistakes and excesses of the previous decade by recognising and supporting a government doing the right thing.

Femme_Fatale

awec wrote: »

Were the Iceland protests hijacked by republicans, unions, the loony left and crustys?

Apart from republicans, I'd assume so.

wicklowstevo

bumper234 wrote: »

Renegades weekly "Why are you guys not rebelling" thread:D

Hey erigi have to get the message out to the masses somehow. Plan b is a back page add on An phoblacht

bumper234

wicklowstevo wrote: »

Hey erigi have to get the message out to the masses somehow. Plan b is a back page add on An phoblacht

He doesn't even try anymore, starts a thread, posts twice, deserts thread. Shoddy leadership imo, not someone i could get behind for taking over the country.

Fred Swanson

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bumper234

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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OK


Everyone needs to print off 50 copies of this picture of James Connolly and paste them on road signs around your area, Let's get the message out there folks!

http://www.dublinpeople.com/assets/graphics/news/ConnollyHospital.jpg

Fred Swanson

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bumper234

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Wasting dole money on cans of spray paint.....or maybe that explains why aengus o'snodaigh needed all of that printer toner?

http://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-td-urged-to-come-clean-over-e50000-use-of-dail-printer-cartridges-367908-Feb2012/

Sinn Féin TD urged to ‘come clean’ over €50,000 use of Dáil printer cartridges

Aengus Ó Snodaigh says his use of 434 printer cartridges between 2007 and 2008 – costing over €50,000 – was merited.

Boombastic

down with this sort of thing




careful now

Dravokivich

renegademaster wrote: »

seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

I thought all the protests in Dublin were against vehicular use of roads?

What with all the traffic chaos they caused.

Foxhound38

renegademaster wrote: »

seeing as how seanie has just been acquited maybe now people might like to challenge the corruption AND the corrupt in this country??

this couldn't have happened if the people had demanded justice be done!!

Why do you believe that the Irish people should have to excuse themselves from your protests?

Could it be the case that they simply disagree with you and your ilk?

For all it's faults (and there are faults, don't get me wrong) I believe the current executive have saved this nation from destruction, they have exceeded my expectations in 2009 and I intend to vote accordingly when the time comes again in 2016. I'm not a party hack, I'm not an insider, I'm not somebody who excuses them when they fcuk up (and they have fcuked up several times), I'm a regular joe soap that recognizes that for for all the steps backward we've taken in the last few years, we're still in a much better place now than we were a few short years ago and we are making progress in climbing out of the hole we are in.

Whatever administration gains power as a result of the next election, I think that history will look kindly on the current FG/Labour one if progress continues to be made.

Robbo

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Perhaps more people would be part of the revolution if they acknowledged that you can't have a fada in a domain name, might generate a bit more traffic to the ould website.

Of course they'll claim that the free State ICANN won't allow their rights as....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

Foxhound38

Robbo wrote: »

Perhaps more people would be part of the revolution if they acknowledged that you can't have a fada in a domain name, might generate a bit more traffic to the ould website.

Of course they'll claim that the free State ICANN won't allow their rights as....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

Justice for the occupied 5 vowels!

smurgen

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Why do you believe that the Irish people should have to excuse themselves from your protests?

Could it be the case that they simply disagree with you and your ilk?

For all it's faults (and there are faults, don't get me wrong) I believe the current executive have saved this nation from destruction, they have exceeded my expectations in 2009 and I intend to vote accordingly when the time comes again in 2016. I'm not a party hack, I'm not an insider, I'm not somebody who excuses them when they fcuk up (and they have fcuked up several times), I'm a regular joe soap that recognizes that for for all the steps backward we've taken in the last few years, we're still in a much better place now than we were a few short years ago and we are making progress in climbing out of the hole we are in.

Whatever administration gains power as a result of the next election, I think that history will look kindly on the current FG/Labour one if progress continues to be made.

It hasn't been the worst. they could do a bit better though by changing the legal and regulatory system that caused our financial crises without one person being held resposible.As it stands the exact same thing could happen again tomorrow and that's unacceptable. if/when fianna fail get into govenment again I WILL emigrate once again. they epitomise everything that is rotten in the country.Hate is a strong word and I can honestly say I hate them.