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Obese person gets called obese, claims she's being bullied

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  • #62
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    I guess it's OK to tell people "you're ugly" too by that logic. Change the title to "Ugly person gets called ugly, claims she's being bullied"

    Why am I even bothering, this is AH, if the OP isn't a troll they probably can't understand basic logic anyway.


  • #63
    hfallada
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭hfallada


    If someone gets called out for being a smokers. Its totally acceptable as smoking is bad for their health. But if someone gets called fat, being they dont watch what they eat and dont know what exercise is. Its cruel and the person is a bully

    One hundred years ago we had very few fat people and now most nations are obese. People are fat because they eat to much. Comparing being bullied because they are fat to the mistreatment of gay people or black people is obsessive. If you are fat you can lose weight and no longer be bullied. If you are bullied because you are black, you cant change your race


  • #64
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    People need to **** off and mind their own business, it doesn't matter if someone is a tank and you see them buying their own weight in Easter eggs or cakes in Tesco, I never critique what other people have in their trolleys, I wonder why? Oh yeah because I have a life.


  • #65
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    hfallada wrote: »
    If someone gets called out for being a smokers. smoker Its it's totally acceptable as smoking is bad for their health. But if someone gets called fat, being they dont don't watch what they eat and dont don't know what exercise is. Its cruel and the person is a bully FULL STOP

    One hundred years ago we had very few fat people and now most nations are obese. People are fat because they eat to too much. Comparing being bullied because they are fat to the mistreatment of gay people or black people is obsessive. If you are fat you can lose weight and no longer be bullied. If you are bullied because you are black, you cant can't change your race FULL STOP

    If you unable to construct proper sentences or have a rudimentary understanding of grammar, you shouldn't complain about being called stupid.
    If you work hard and study you can have perfect grammar and spelling. If you are bullied because you are black, you can't change your race.

    See how that works??? Is that OK in your mind?


  • #66
    taytothief
    Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭taytothief


    This is kinda like emailing a dwarf who does a basketball show and telling him he's awfully short altogether and why is he involved in basketball, what with him being such a short-arse.


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  • #67
    carraig2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭carraig2


    20Cent wrote: »
    What's this about bullying being systematic? Never heard that before. It only needs this to happen to once to be bullying.

    Actually no


  • #68
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    I experienced this with my son. As a small child he had a habit of stating the obvious.

    I was in a shop and the gentleman behind the till was very large. He started tugging my arm. "Dad !" "Dad!" he said. "Not now son" I said, as I knew what he was going to say. "But Dad !!!" he said again. "Not now !!!!" "Dad please !!!" he said again. "What?" I said. He pointed at the guy and out loud so the whole shop heard it "That man is SO FAT!". The man laughed. After all he was only three at the time. That's the ONLY situation it's OK and only because it happened once, as I made sure he knew it wasn't acceptable.


  • #69
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Are you on air and a possible role model to a vulnerable audience?

    That irrelevant and pointless question has already been asked. Next...


  • #70
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    That irrelevant and pointless question has already been asked. Next...

    You are of course entitled to your opinion, that does not change the facts of the matter in this case, where they disagree with your opinion, this time at least.


  • #71
    mathie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭mathie


    professore wrote: »
    I guess it's OK to tell people "you're ugly" too by that logic. Change the title to "Ugly person gets called ugly, claims she's being bullied"

    You are continually using incorrect analogies.
    Looks (mostly) aren't something that some can control.
    Just like your other examples ... skin colour (unless you're Michael Jackson), sexuality etc ...
    They're not choices.
    I understand some people have medical conditions but by and large (yay!) being obese is down to choices the person makes.
    professore wrote: »
    If the OP isn't a troll they probably can't understand basic logic anyway.

    I'm not and I can.


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  • #72
    mathie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭mathie


    professore wrote: »
    I experienced this with my son. As a small child he had a habit of stating the obvious.

    I was in a shop and the gentleman behind the till was very large. He started tugging my arm. "Dad !" "Dad!" he said. "Not now son" I said, as I knew what he was going to say. "But Dad !!!" he said again. "Not now !!!!" "Dad please !!!" he said again. "What?" I said. He pointed at the guy and out loud so the whole shop heard it "That man is SO FAT!". The man laughed. After all he was only three at the time. That's the ONLY situation it's OK and only because it happened once, as I made sure he knew it wasn't acceptable.

    Once again with the incorrect analogy.
    You're talking about announcing things in the public domain.
    I'd agree that thats socially backward.

    However the person in the video was written a private email on a matter that they can control.
    She could be a smoker / a drug addict / overweight. They're all caused by actions that can be changed.


  • #73
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    mathie wrote: »
    You are continually using incorrect analogies.
    Looks (mostly) aren't something that some can control.
    Just like your other examples ... skin colour (unless you're Michael Jackson), sexuality etc ...
    They're not choices.
    I understand some people have medical conditions but by and large (yay!) being obese is down to choices the person makes.

    First of all, no one "chooses" to be obese. It's not like people wake up one day and decide 'hey, I'll think I'll become obese today'. To reduce it to a 'choice' is vastly over simplifying the whole issue.

    Secondly, what point are you actually trying to make? Do you believe that if someone "chooses" to be a certain way that they somehow become fair game for people to throw uninvited comments their way without cause for complaint?


  • #74
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Are you on air and a possible role model to a vulnerable audience?

    So what exactly is your point? Are you saying that obese people shouldn't be allowed on television? Are you saying that a young person seeing an obese person on television will be influenced to become obese because they've seen an obese person on television?

    Do you think that all obese people should be put on an enforced diet and excercise regime so that they meet your/societys perception of a healthy weight before they are allowed out in public?

    Really, I'm curious, as otherwise your post makes even less sense:confused:


  • #75
    mathie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭mathie


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    First of all, no one "chooses" to be obese. It's not like people wake up one day and decide 'hey, I'll think I'll become obese today'. To reduce it to a 'choice' is vastly over simplifying the whole issue.

    Secondly, what point are you actually trying to make? Do you believe that if someone "chooses" to be a certain way that they somehow become fair game for people to throw uninvited comments their way without cause for complaint?

    I acknowledged that their may be other factors (medical etc)
    However to a certain extent they do.
    They choose not to exercise.
    They choose to eat unhealthy food over healthy food.

    My point is that if someone is putting themself into a situation where their life expediency and health is reduced then it's ok for people to tell them privately that they might want to do something about it.


  • #76
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    mathie wrote: »
    I acknowledged that their may be other factors (medical etc)
    However to a certain extent they do.
    They choose not to exercise.
    They choose to eat unhealthy food over healthy food.

    My point is that if someone is putting themself into a situation where their life expediency and health is reduced then it's ok for people to tell them privately that they might want to do something about it.

    You're once again completely over simplifying the issue. Yes there can be medical reasons, but that's not all. What about emotional problems? Educational problems. No offense, it's clear haven't a clue about what you're talking about.

    Why is it okay? What business is it of theirs? Why is it okay for me to tell a total stranger that they're obese and that they should do something about it when they haven't asked me for my opinion?


  • #77
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Are you on air and a possible role model to a vulnerable audience?

    Do you think that all obese people should be put on an enforced diet and excercise regime so that they meet your/societys perception of a healthy weight before they are allowed out in public?

    Really, I'm curious, as otherwise your post makes even less sense:confused:

    Why not, I was treated to the easy option of a triple heart bypass.


  • #78
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    I deserved the red card. Was trying to make a point.


  • #79
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    First of all, no one "chooses" to be obese. It's not like people wake up one day and decide 'hey, I'll think I'll become obese today'. To reduce it to a 'choice' is vastly over simplifying the whole issue.

    Secondly, what point are you actually trying to make? Do you believe that if someone "chooses" to be a certain way that they somehow become fair game for people to throw uninvited comments their way without cause for complaint?

    I tried that as an example earlier on and rightly got a red card.


  • #80
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    On the subject of obese, whilst it is far tooooo easy to be so, I think most people who are, don't see it so.

    I now look back at photos of myself and my jaw drops, I never realised I was so big, even when I got into trouble on other boards, it does not get through.

    Now, the woman, the subject of this thread, has no excuse, one can only hope she does see herself as others do, but if she's like what I was, we still won't.


  • #81
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭No Pants


    GenieOz wrote: »
    Is your business being in the public eye and somewhat of a role model for others?
    Reading from a teleprompter makes one a role model now?


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  • #82
    Holsten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    She is HUGE! Jesus Christ.

    Slagging someone who is fat is nothing like race or sexuality! I mean insulting anyone isn't really that nice but you cannot compare the two. Anyone can lose weigh,t the problem is most are just too damn lazy to do it.

    She is an idiot.


  • #83
    mathie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭mathie


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    You're once again completely over simplifying the issue. Yes there can be medical reasons, but that's not all. What about emotional problems? Educational problems. No offense, it's clear haven't a clue about what you're talking about.

    Why is it okay? What business is it of theirs? Why is it okay for me to tell a total stranger that they're obese and that they should do something about it when they haven't asked me for my opinion?

    So you think that people should stand idly by while others die or suffer ill health because of obesity?


  • #84
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    If she fits the definition of obese then I don't see how its bullying. Its not his opinion if its a fact, he isn't slagging her he is merely pointing out the truth. Like somebody telling me I have brown hair.

    Obviously if she is offended by somebody stating the truth maybe it might convince her to do something about it. Yes in some cases obesity is due to medical/emotional problems but in the vast majority of cases its laziness and lack of discipline.


  • #85
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    mathie wrote: »
    So you think that people should stand idly by while others die or suffer ill health because of obesity?
    I think people should mind their own business.

    Now can you answer my question and tell me why it's okay to walk up to a total stranger and tell them they should lose weight? Also, how many times have you done it? I assume you do it multiple times per day as surely you wouldn't stand idly by if a fatty passes you in the street?


  • #86
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    jane82 wrote: »
    I seen a huge fella get 3 tesco brand birthday cakes with his shopping the other day.
    I wish I lived in a world where it would have been acceptable for me to take them off him and tell him he would thank me for it one day.
    I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and assume they deserve it.


  • #87
    mathie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭mathie


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    I think people should mind their own business.

    Now can you answer my question and tell me why it's okay to walk up to a total stranger and tell them they should lose weight? Also, how many times have you done it? I assume you do it multiple times per day as surely you wouldn't stand idly by if a fatty passes you in the street?

    As I said earlier...
    mathie wrote:
    Once again with the incorrect analogy.
    You're talking about announcing things in the public domain.
    I'd agree that thats socially backward.


  • #88
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    mathie wrote: »
    Did you even read what I said?

    Once again you're ignoring my question. Why is it okay for me to walk up to a stranger and privately tell them that they're obese and should lose weight?

    Stop sidestepping the question.


  • #89
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My issue with this is making any kind of distinction between this woman and anyone else because of her being "in the public eye".

    B*llocks to public eye. Teachers could be considered in the public eye, but do you hear complaints at schools about how "that uppity Ms. Potts in Geography needs to lose a few kilos. How DARE she be self confident in being so lardy, she's setting a bad example for my little Daryah!"?


  • #90
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    B*llocks to public eye. Teachers could be considered in the public eye, but do you hear complaints at schools about how "that uppity Ms. Potts in Geography needs to lose a few kilos. How DARE she be self confident in being so lardy, she's setting a bad example for my little Daryah!"?

    Yes, we most certainly do, and they may lose their jobs as a result of it too.


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  • #91
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

    Why not, I was treated to the easy option of a triple heart bypass.
    That was your choice to make. It doesn't entitle you to dictate to others on their life choices.


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