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Obese person gets called obese, claims she's being bullied

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    #152
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    It's society's business, Why do you see adds on the Irish TV telling you how to stop your children becoming obese ?

    For pretty much the same reason that TV advertisers touted smoking as being healthy, relaxing and sophisticated (in the 50s and 60s) and early Coca-Cola ads saying that it was a healthy refreshing elixir and earlier it was marketed as a patent medicine, claiming it would get rid of fatigue and headaches.

    Are you one of these people that believes what the TV ads say?


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    #153
    darkpagandeath
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    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    For pretty much the same reason that TV advertisers touted smoking as being healthy, relaxing and sophisticated (in the 50s and 60s) and early Coca-Cola ads saying that it was a healthy refreshing elixir and earlier it was marketed as a patent medicine, claiming it would get rid of fatigue and headaches.

    Are you one of these people that believes what the TV ads say?

    Strawman would you discount an advertisement about water safety saying "Boil all tap water in your area" I assume you would ignore that as all TV advertisements are incorrect.


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    #154
    Ann Landers
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    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Just now I remembered my [then pregnant] wife could not even find size 14 a few years ago.

    Complete bullshít.


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    #155
    SparkySpitfire
    Registered Users Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭SparkySpitfire


    endacl wrote: »
    You can look away from a fat person. Smokers are always smelly. You can't look away from a smell.

    Obese people can smell too, and the aroma is awfully more pungent than the smell of smoke.

    Of course athletes/gym goers also smell after exercise, I would also imagine people without regular access to a shower would also smell, should we castigate them too? :p


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    #156
    SparkySpitfire
    Registered Users Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭SparkySpitfire


    Also, on topic being obese is clearly a problem but as my sibling with an obese girlfriend says "She knows she's fat, I don't need to tell her". Basically, whatever good intentions the guy had with beating his own obesity, the woman clearly knows she has a problem, and being reminded of it won't solve it.

    One of my close relatives is obese and asthmatic, I would never ever bring it up. They already feel bad enough themselves about it and don't feel like changing. I'll be there to support a change if they decide to implement one. That's all you can really do when it comes to obesity.

    You can help but never advise or proselytise. It's like any problem, you have to let people get there on their own.


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    #157
    Gummy Panda
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    Any pics of her obese boobs?


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    #158
    MagicMarker
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    People do the exact same to people who smoke but that seems to be acceptable.

    Smokers directly impact the health of those around them.

    I never heard of anyone getting fat by sitting in close proximity to a fat person.


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    #159
    Bubbaclaus
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Smokers directly impact the health of those around them.

    I never heard of anyone getting fat by sitting in close proximity to a fat person.

    Fat people increase healthcare costs for everyone


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    #160
    MagicMarker
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    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Fat people increase healthcare costs for everyone

    So do drinkers, smokers. What's your point? Are we allowed be dicks to people for increasing healthcare costs now or something?


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    #161
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    So do drinkers, smokers. What's your point? Are we allowed be dicks to people for increasing healthcare costs now or something?

    Yes.


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    #162
    MagicMarker
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    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Yes.

    Well done.


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    #163
    mathie
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    I never heard of anyone getting fat by sitting in close proximity to a fat person.

    Fat parents with fat children.


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    #164
    Bubbaclaus
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Well done.

    You're welcome?


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    #165
    steddyeddy
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    Can I go up to someone who lost a leg to diabetes and point out that they're an amputee? It fits some people's definition of acceptable because A: it's true and B: it's a result of their diet.


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    #166
    mathie
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    So do drinkers, smokers. What's your point? Are we allowed be dicks to people for increasing healthcare costs now or something?

    How is pointing out (in a private email) to someone in the public eye that a liftstyle that is killing the person is one that they should reconsider "being a dick"?

    What about when George Best was drinking himself to death?
    Nobody should have said a word?
    Nobody should have said "Drinking to excess is one of the worst choices a person can make and one of the most dangerous habits to maintain"?

    What about when Amy Winehouse was killing herself with drugs?
    Nobody should have had a private word and said "taking drugs is one of the worst choices a person can make and one of the most dangerous habits to maintain"?

    Were the people that tried to help George and Amy "being dicks"?


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    #167
    Bubbaclaus
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    mathie wrote: »
    How is pointing out (in a private email) to someone in the public eye that a liftstyle that is killing the person is one that they should reconsider "being a dick"?

    What about when George Best was drinking himself to death?
    Nobody should have said a word?
    Nobody should have said "Drinking to excess is one of the worst choices a person can make and one of the most dangerous habits to maintain"?

    What about when Amy Winehouse was killing herself with drugs?
    Nobody should have had a private word and said "taking drugs is one of the worst choices a person can make and one of the most dangerous habits to maintain"?

    Were the people that tried to help George and Amy "being dicks"?

    Everybody that tries to give people a nudge in the right direction, for the betterment of society as a whole, is a dick apparently.


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    #168
    osarusan
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    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Everybody that tries to give people a nudge in the right direction, for the betterment of society as a whole.
    This is either a massive case of delusion, or the worst excuse ever.

    "I tell people they're too fat for the good of society."


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    #169
    Bubbaclaus
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    Perhaps a fat tax would help curb the mass amounts of obesity in this country.


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    #170
    SEPT 23 1989
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    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Perhaps a fat tax would help curb the mass amounts of obesity in this country.

    It does not stop us smokers when they keep piling on more and more tax on a pack of cigarettes


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    #171
    endacl
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    It does not stop us smokers when they keep piling on more and more tax on a pack of cigarettes

    Stopped me! I've saved a fortune.

    :D


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    #172
    SEPT 23 1989
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    endacl wrote: »
    Stopped me! I've saved a fortune.

    :D

    congratulations thats a great achievement


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    #173
    Caliden
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    It does not stop us smokers when they keep piling on more and more tax on a pack of cigarettes

    I think the tipping point for ciggies being legal or not will be when the health care cost is more than the revenue generated from customs and duty.


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    #174
    MagicMarker
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    mathie wrote: »
    How is pointing out (in a private email) to someone in the public eye that a liftstyle that is killing the person is one that they should reconsider "being a dick"?

    Because it's none of your business. How are you unable to grasp that little fact? You seem to think that once something is said in private that it's okay to say what you want to who you want. Do you think you're enlightening an obese person by sending them an email to tell them they're obese?
    mathie wrote: »
    What about when George Best was drinking himself to death?
    Nobody should have said a word?
    Nobody should have said "Drinking to excess is one of the worst choices a person can make and one of the most dangerous habits to maintain"?

    What about when Amy Winehouse was killing herself with drugs?
    Nobody should have had a private word and said "taking drugs is one of the worst choices a person can make and one of the most dangerous habits to maintain"?

    Were the people that tried to help George and Amy "being dicks"?

    If a total stranger went up to these people while they were very clearly battling their addictions to tell them that they made one of the "worst choices a person can make" then not only would they be a total dick head they'd also be a patronizing arsehole.

    But I'll be sure the next time I'm on a night out to have a private word with anyone I see with a pint or a joint or a cigarette in their hand, just to let them know that their lifestyle is killing them. Because apparently, that's not being a dick.


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    #175
    MagicMarker
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    I wonder if someone were to post a thread in PI saying that they see a person on the bus everyday who is really overweight, they don't know this person but they really want to tell this person that they're overweight and they should really do something about it.

    Now, I wonder what kind of advice that person would get?

    1. Take the person aside and privately let them know in polite and sensitive language that they're overweight and should probably make more of an effort to lose it, or better yet, try and get that persons email address so you won't have to do it in person.

    2. Mind your own business.

    Personally, I'm going to say that the unanimous advice given would be No. 2, along with a fair amount of abuse for being such an arsehole.


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    #176
    chopper6
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    "We don't like to be called FAT"


    "Well then you should have stayed at home"


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    #177
    pundy
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    has it not crossed your minds that the government WANT us to smoke, they want us to be fat and unhealthy and they want us to drink. they keep all these things legal because they absolutely RAKE it in off the peoples illnesses. Big Pharma/Government all the one, and they are killing us to line their own pockets. it's the same reason they wont legalise weed - would have us all healthy and not dying and giving them money to stay alive.

    smoke weed and stay healthy!


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    #178
    mathie
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Because it's none of your business. How are you unable to grasp that little fact?

    As someone else said before it's societys business.
    Why does the government advertise and promote against obesity, drug taking, drinking to excess?
    Because they're bad for society.
    Healthcare costs are skyrocketing for a reason.
    MagicMarker wrote: »
    You seem to think that once something is said in private that it's okay to say what you want to who you want.

    I never said it's okay to say "what you want to who you want" so please don't put words in my mouth.

    It's called Freedom of Speech and it's part of society.
    If you don't like what someone says then ignore it.
    If its hate-filled racism then report it.

    But there's nothing to stop someone emparting advise on others.


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    #179
    Sala
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    A newsreader is not a role model for healthy eating etc. Her weight is irrelevant to her ability to read the news and is none of anyone's business, except maybe her family and Doctor. I did always think it was inappropriate for Gerry Ryan to be hosting Operation Transformation though (although I didn't watch it, for all I know he could have been doing it himself?)


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    #180
    MagicMarker
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    mathie wrote: »
    As someone else said before it's societys business.
    Why does the government advertise and promote against obesity, drug taking, drinking to excess?
    Because they're bad for society.
    Healthcare costs are skyrocketing for a reason.

    So why don't you have "private words" with people you don't know? Why don't you privately tell that smoker/drinker/fat person that they should stop drinking/smoking/eating so much? Is it because, like normal people, you realise it's a dickish thing to do? Or is it because you're a coward?
    mathie wrote: »
    I never said it's okay to say "what you want to who you want" so please don't put words in my mouth.

    It's called Freedom of Speech and it's part of society.
    If you don't like what someone says then ignore it.
    If its hate-filled racism then report it.

    But there's nothing to stop someone emparting advise on others.

    I never said there was anything to stop someone doing it, I'm saying telling a total stranger they're fat and should lose weight is being a dick of the highest order. I think this is pretty irrefutable.


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    #181
    mathie
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    So why don't you have "private words" with people you don't know? Why don't you privately tell that smoker/drinker/fat person that they should stop drinking/smoking/eating so much? Is it because, like normal people, you realise it's a dickish thing to do? Or is it because you're a coward?

    I wouldn't do it because I think most people wouldn't listen and because they know the harm they're doing to themselves anyway. They know the risks.
    MagicMarker wrote: »
    I never said there was anything to stop someone doing it, I'm saying telling a total stranger they're fat and should lose weight is being a dick of the highest order. I think this is pretty irrefutable.

    Opinions aren't irrefutable.
    They're opinions and everybodys got one.


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