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What creatures are below animal cruelty in your opinion?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭thegreatgonzo


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    The richest charity in the UK is the Donkey Sanctuary. That says a lot about people.

    It says people in the UK care about donkeys. Good for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,447 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I expected a lot more cat hate on this thread.

    I've eliminated a few pests from my home over the years, mainly spiders. Cruelty is unnecessary. If I'm going to kill an animal, I do it as quickly and as painlessly as possible. My arachnophobia prevents me from picking up a spider and depositing it outside.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭SmokeyEyes


    I'm veggie and an animal lover and consequently the eejit who rescues every snail, worm and slug that ends up nearly crushed on paths after the rain. Used to sometimes make me late for work! Can't help it, if I can help something small and helpless that takes 5 seconds of my time I will


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭6541


    What about those Kerry Animals !! fecking hate them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    deise08 wrote: »
    Honestly I don't think any creature is beyond cruelty. It has been scientifically proven that pain is felt by fish being hooked.
    I even think that whole 'live insect eating' on that I'm a celebrity channel is disgusting. That they are passing it off as entertainment and getting away with it is worse.
    I don't agree with any cruelty.

    They never eat live animals or insects on those entertainment shows, there is very careful editing and just at the point of the thing going in the celebrities mouth it is swapped out for a dead insect/slug/cricket....

    No animal can be killed on TV purely for entertainment, it can be done for educational purposes but not for entertainment.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    I could jokingly say Man U supporters ........... but I won't.


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wasps

    White Anglo Saxon Protestants? Bigot!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭Aurum


    Cruelty to children seems to be below cruelty to animals. The ISPCA gets far more in donations than the ISPCC ever did. I always laugh at people who champion the prevention of cruelty to animals. They'd probably kick a child out of the way to help a limping puppy. Arses. I never donate to animal charities as they're all either misguided or a blatant con.

    The richest charity in the UK is the Donkey Sanctuary. That says a lot about people.

    Don't be ridiculous, the Donkey Sanctuary is nowhere near the richest charity in the UK. Also, for the vast majority of people, caring about children and caring about animals aren't mutually exclusive positions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Often we hear stories that cause outrage when it comes to animal cruelty. Over the years we've heard of horses being left to starve, cats being abandoned and dogs being booted around. On the flip side, nobody would bat an eyelid if someone swatted a fly or stepped on a bug. Where is the cut-off point? Is it cruel to step on a snail? Or to kill a frog? Is it something you consider a potential pet where it stops? Weird topic I know but what's your views?

    Good question actually. It seems to be more acceptable to kill creatures that are pests. But then pigs and cows are slaughtered too and the occasional horse. In some places they eat dogs. In other places the cow is sacred. Tis fecking mad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    Mary Harney


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 GuyFawkes


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    I could jokingly say Man U supporters ........... but I won't.

    Good, because not only would it be a terrible joke, it doesn't cast you in the most creative of lights.

    I don't believe we've the right to kill any living thing for anything other than food and even then... Thinking about becoming veggie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    GuyFawkes wrote: »
    Good, because not only would it be a terrible joke, it doesn't cast you in the most creative of lights.

    I don't believe we've the right to kill any living thing for anything other than food and even then... Thinking about becoming veggie.

    What about killing bacteria on your skin when washing?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6 Gniht


    I've only read the first 20 posts on this topic but everyone is wrong on the first page. I think you need to look up the definition of cruelty and callousness. I also think people have difficultly distinguishing carnivourism and torturing an animal. Only stupid people think they are synomous, are you a stupid person?

    Obviously there are cultural components to this, there is a fairly arbitrary decision between what animals are good for food and which aren't (e.g. majority of irish ppl don't knowingly eat horse but do eat cow). However, in all of these cases, the killing of the animal, whether for food or for glue, must be humane. This is why all cruelty to animals like dogs, cats, horses that die by neglect etc. cannot be condoned. Not because they are cute and furry but that is a horrendous way to die and neglect is a human factor.

    Killing a rat in a trap is actually, in my argument, a reasonably humane way to go. They neck should break and the rat should immediately suffer cardiac or brain failure and die. Rats and mice do feel pain and proprioception, this is proven in laboratory testing. We previously knew a lot less about octopus, shrimp and lobsters as they have completely different nervous systems to animals like people and dogs but they also have similar experiences to bad stimuli.

    So ppl that eat live shrimp, squid or cook lobster alive are cruel in my opinion, and callous as well, and this is an inhumane death for said creature and should not be condoned.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    The obvious answer is whether they're sentient or not I guess? So obviously any animal that is aware of its own existence and is capabale of feeling pain and pleasure. In general this is any animal that has a spine.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Lapin




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    GuyFawkes wrote: »
    Good, because not only would it be a terrible joke, it doesn't cast you in the most creative of lights.

    I don't believe we've the right to kill any living thing for anything other than food and even then... Thinking about becoming veggie.

    If you do become a vegetarian .......... will you eat beef-






    tomatoes? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭Tea 1000


    The obvious answer is whether they're sentient or not I guess? So obviously any animal that is aware of its own existence and is capabale of feeling pain and pleasure. In general this is any animal that has a spine.
    Or maybe animals that have a brain? Flys for example don't have brains. They have some form of basic nervous system if I recall from Biology correctly! So it seems like some insects are kind of half way between a plant and an animal. Plants have no brain or nervous system, but most react to environmental changes. Insects take it further with their more advanced nervous system, and obviously aren't rooted! :)
    But I would doubt there's much more to them than that. I doubt there's any processing of pain as opposed to just reacting to what we'd perceive as pain. Again, I'm really only assuming here based on my limited research. But animals have brains and thusly have a means of processing pain, therefore should be treated humanely.
    That'd be my personal cut-off anyway. I wouldn't be cruel to insects, I throw spiders outside, and I actively try to protect bumble bee's because of their increasing rarity, but I don't think twice about swatting and killing flys or wasps or any of the pest variety if opening the window doesn't work!


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In light of the staffie situation in the Curragh (being tied up and set alight), I'm wondering are there anymore views on this topic? If it were a cat or a rabbit would the outrage be as high? where do we draw the line and why?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭spikeS


    Omackeral wrote: »
    In light of the staffie situation in the Curragh, I'm wondering are there anymore views on this topic? If it were a cat or a rabbit would the outrage be as high? where do we draw the line and why?

    I would be more upset if it was a cat as I own one, but really the dog is no different then a sheep, we have a warped sense of what animal it's okay to kill


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Lau2976


    None are below it. I'll take every caution to avoid stepping on any bugs that I can see and I would never kill an annoying bug in my home.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    I don't walk around trying to avoid killing any bugs, but I wouldn't kill anything on purpose regardless of size. Flies, moths and spiders all get the capture and release treatment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Your Superior


    Cruelty to children seems to be below cruelty to animals. The ISPCA gets far more in donations than the ISPCC ever did. I always laugh at people who champion the prevention of cruelty to animals. They'd probably kick a child out of the way to help a limping puppy. Arses. I never donate to animal charities as they're all either misguided or a blatant con.

    The richest charity in the UK is the Donkey Sanctuary. That says a lot about people.

    Donkey sanctuary receives about £18m in donations per year, it's not even in the top 100. The RSPCA is the 12th biggest with £122m. Cancer Research UK had over £500m in income, Save The Children had £291m.

    At least do some research before you talk nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,322 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    Omackeral wrote: »
    In light of the staffie situation in the Curragh (being tied up and set alight), I'm wondering are there anymore views on this topic? If it were a cat or a rabbit would the outrage be as high? where do we draw the line and why?

    If it's not tasty it's animal cruelty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭spikeS


    If it's not tasty it's animal cruelty.

    I gather dog is tastey though, we just are not ones to try it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Rats and bluebottles.

    Expected the word "traveller" to have appeared already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    All things strive. There's no need for cruelty towards any of our fellow-bayshts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    wasps are the only creature that deserve my wrath. I'll put spiders outside. I'll even move snails off a footpath to stop them getting crushed. But those stripy little bastards in their little beneton outfits can go fcuk themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    jimgoose wrote: »
    All things strive. There's no need for cruelty towards any of our fellow-bayshts.

    Gingers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    I have to admit, I would kill a spider if I find one in my house. Not proud of it, nothing rational about it, but not changing that either.
    Oddly enough, I'm fine with them outside, it's just indoors that they freak me out to the point of me killing them.

    Other than that, I would not consciously kill any animal, and I don't eat them either.

    That's my own personal choice, though. Where the rest of humanity is concerned I'd be over the moon if nobody would torture an animal before killing it. That would really be all I would dare hope for, but even that seems to be too much to ask.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    endacl wrote: »
    Gingers?

    Close. Ginger politicians can go jump reet 'nuff laaahk! :)


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