What creatures are below animal cruelty in your opinion?

Omackeral

Often we hear stories that cause outrage when it comes to animal cruelty. Over the years we've heard of horses being left to starve, cats being abandoned and dogs being booted around. On the flip side, nobody would bat an eyelid if someone swatted a fly or stepped on a bug. Where is the cut-off point? Is it cruel to step on a snail? Or to kill a frog? Is it something you consider a potential pet where it stops? Weird topic I know but what's your views?

PizzamanIRL

Anything that has big enough eyes that can stare at you with emotion so a frog is a no no.

deise08

Honestly I don't think any creature is beyond cruelty. It has been scientifically proven that pain is felt by fish being hooked.
I even think that whole 'live insect eating' on that I'm a celebrity channel is disgusting. That they are passing it off as entertainment and getting away with it is worse.
I don't agree with any cruelty.

D1stant

John Waters?

blastman

I constantly step on snails accidentally (usually coming home from the pub in the dark) and feel guilty about it. I have chased cockroaches to do the same to them, though.

Short answer, I've no idea.

The One Doctor

Cruelty to children seems to be below cruelty to animals. The ISPCA gets far more in donations than the ISPCC ever did. I always laugh at people who champion the prevention of cruelty to animals. They'd probably kick a child out of the way to help a limping puppy. Arses. I never donate to animal charities as they're all either misguided or a blatant con.

The richest charity in the UK is the Donkey Sanctuary. That says a lot about people.

King George VI

if it can cry, don't kill it. Those ****ing flying daddy longleg things can't cry. Kill 'em all.

mitosis

People chase crows and starlings away from bird feeders. People let a ladybird crawl on their hands but scream if a black beetle comes near them. A mouse is a pest but a gerbil a pet.

The line is drawn between perceived cute and perceived uncute.

discus

As my mam used to tell me when i would step on insects I didn't like; "we're all gods creatures" bloody pacifists

stefan idiot jones

Vegetarian, animal lover. However, ants, cockroaches and the French have to die in large quantities.

razorblunt

Cats.



I joke I joke.


Still don't trust them though.

pundy

i once swatted a wasp on the dart, and a mad middle aged hippy mad-woman snorted at me in disgust and said "you do realise that was a living creature just like yourself"?

i laughed in her face and left my seat.

generally, just dont do harm to any living things, if can be avoided.

saying that, if a dog came up and viciously attacked me, i'd be fighting back and would probably take it's eyes in the melee.

Creatures that will kill you by means of poison or constriction. Certain spiders, snakes, fish etc. They can all fcuk right off.

Also, if given the chance, a sloth will kill you and everyone you care about. True story*
















*Probably not

Gyalist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG4WhppBNCM

razorblunt

Snotaul Goodman wrote: »

Creatures that will kill you by means of poison or constriction. Certain spiders, snakes, fish etc. They can all fcuk right off.

Also, if given the chance, a sloth will kill you and everyone you care about. True story*
















*Probably not

You're damn right he would, if he could be bothered to get down from his tree.

Birneybau

Pubic lice.

And tapeworms.

Neither of which I suffer from

anymore

mdwexford

None.

I catch spiders for my girlfriend in a tissue and then set them free outside the front door or window rather than squash them.

Spiders and rodents deserve everything they get.

*Shudders*

fussyonion

I don't like to see people killing spiders. They don't frighten me and I think they're useful to have in your house 'cos they trap those annoying little gnats and things.

I'm terrified of moths and would have absolutely no problem killing them.

Rats or mice-I wouldn't want them tortured but if they die or are killed in mousetraps, the fine.
I suppose some people would class traps as torture but I would like to think they die instantly.

Bluebottles/gnats/houseflies-I'll kill them no problem.
Daddy long legs-I let them free, even though they creep me out.

dodderangler

I was a little boll0x when I was younger. Pulled the legs off spiders and caught flies or spiders to put into webs. Bees in bottles and kicked the bottles aswell. thankfully I stopped doing all that......last week

we'llallhavetea

Spiders, moths, butterflies. I'd burn down the house to kill these cnuts

dodderangler

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

Spiders, moths, butterflies. I'd burn down the house to kill these cnuts

No one ever suspects the butterfly mwah ha ha ha

GenieOz

I think there's a cuteness scale for this thing. Brought out of by some professor years ago

Dyr

The One Doctor wrote: »

Cruelty to children seems to be below cruelty to animals. The ISPCA gets far more in donations than the ISPCC ever did.

No ones ever had a cat chuck a brick through their window

jester77

Mosquitoes and wasps are about the only things I won't think twice about eliminating. Hate cleaning up their remains. Everything else I will catch and bring outside.

6541

Coveys, Coveys are terrible creatures, do onto them as you like.

I am pie

Cockroaches. Got no problem giving them both barrels with the poison spray.

They are too tricky to catch and if anyone wants to live in a house with cockraoches let them at it, but if they appear in my place they get the gas. The drains get laced with poison by the exterminator every few months so no doubt hundreds more get sent off to the other side that way.

Spiders I tend to be happy enough to see, because they deal with the mosquitos quite well and there are no poisonous ones that live here, at least not in the city. Sorry, mosquitos also...they get squashed. They bite, am not into red itchy rashes or, if you are especially unlucky, dengue. No problems killing mosquitos.

Mark Tapley

The One Doctor wrote: »

Cruelty to children seems to be below cruelty to animals. The ISPCA gets far more in donations than the ISPCC ever did. I always laugh at people who champion the prevention of cruelty to animals. They'd probably kick a child out of the way to help a limping puppy. Arses. I never donate to animal charities as they're all either misguided or a blatant con.

The richest charity in the UK is the Donkey Sanctuary. That says a lot about people.

Isn't there a theory that you are never more than six feet away from an arsehole?

SEPT 23 1989

Wasps

YFlyer

The One Doctor wrote: »

Cruelty to children seems to be below cruelty to animals. The ISPCA gets far more in donations than the ISPCC ever did. I always laugh at people who champion the prevention of cruelty to animals. They'd probably kick a child out of the way to help a limping puppy. Arses. I never donate to animal charities as they're all either misguided or a blatant con.

The richest charity in the UK is the Donkey Sanctuary. That says a lot about people.

Because donkeys carry the cross.

Vito Corleone

Vito Corleone wrote: »

If you were to kick a rabbit to death in broad daylight people would be shocked yet if you kill a fly nobody cares. I don't get it.

If rabbits kept buzzing around you and landing on your food I think people would be ok with kicking them out of the way.

thegreatgonzo

The One Doctor wrote: »

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The richest charity in the UK is the Donkey Sanctuary. That says a lot about people.

It says people in the UK care about donkeys. Good for them.

ancapailldorcha

I expected a lot more cat hate on this thread.

I've eliminated a few pests from my home over the years, mainly spiders. Cruelty is unnecessary. If I'm going to kill an animal, I do it as quickly and as painlessly as possible. My arachnophobia prevents me from picking up a spider and depositing it outside.

SmokeyEyes

I'm veggie and an animal lover and consequently the eejit who rescues every snail, worm and slug that ends up nearly crushed on paths after the rain. Used to sometimes make me late for work! Can't help it, if I can help something small and helpless that takes 5 seconds of my time I will

6541

What about those Kerry Animals !! fecking hate them.

foggy_lad

deise08 wrote: »

Honestly I don't think any creature is beyond cruelty. It has been scientifically proven that pain is felt by fish being hooked.
I even think that whole 'live insect eating' on that I'm a celebrity channel is disgusting. That they are passing it off as entertainment and getting away with it is worse.
I don't agree with any cruelty.

They never eat live animals or insects on those entertainment shows, there is very careful editing and just at the point of the thing going in the celebrities mouth it is swapped out for a dead insect/slug/cricket....

No animal can be killed on TV purely for entertainment, it can be done for educational purposes but not for entertainment.

WilyCoyote

I could jokingly say Man U supporters ........... but I won't.

Omackeral

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Wasps

White Anglo Saxon Protestants? Bigot!

Aurum

The One Doctor wrote: »

Cruelty to children seems to be below cruelty to animals. The ISPCA gets far more in donations than the ISPCC ever did. I always laugh at people who champion the prevention of cruelty to animals. They'd probably kick a child out of the way to help a limping puppy. Arses. I never donate to animal charities as they're all either misguided or a blatant con.

The richest charity in the UK is the Donkey Sanctuary. That says a lot about people.

Don't be ridiculous, the Donkey Sanctuary is nowhere near the richest charity in the UK. Also, for the vast majority of people, caring about children and caring about animals aren't mutually exclusive positions.

Daveysil15

Omackeral wrote: »

Often we hear stories that cause outrage when it comes to animal cruelty. Over the years we've heard of horses being left to starve, cats being abandoned and dogs being booted around. On the flip side, nobody would bat an eyelid if someone swatted a fly or stepped on a bug. Where is the cut-off point? Is it cruel to step on a snail? Or to kill a frog? Is it something you consider a potential pet where it stops? Weird topic I know but what's your views?

Good question actually. It seems to be more acceptable to kill creatures that are pests. But then pigs and cows are slaughtered too and the occasional horse. In some places they eat dogs. In other places the cow is sacred. Tis fecking mad.

magma69

Mary Harney

GuyFawkes

WilyCoyote wrote: »

I could jokingly say Man U supporters ........... but I won't.

Good, because not only would it be a terrible joke, it doesn't cast you in the most creative of lights.

I don't believe we've the right to kill any living thing for anything other than food and even then... Thinking about becoming veggie.

magma69

GuyFawkes wrote: »

Good, because not only would it be a terrible joke, it doesn't cast you in the most creative of lights.

I don't believe we've the right to kill any living thing for anything other than food and even then... Thinking about becoming veggie.

What about killing bacteria on your skin when washing?

Gniht

I've only read the first 20 posts on this topic but everyone is wrong on the first page. I think you need to look up the definition of cruelty and callousness. I also think people have difficultly distinguishing carnivourism and torturing an animal. Only stupid people think they are synomous, are you a stupid person?

Obviously there are cultural components to this, there is a fairly arbitrary decision between what animals are good for food and which aren't (e.g. majority of irish ppl don't knowingly eat horse but do eat cow). However, in all of these cases, the killing of the animal, whether for food or for glue, must be humane. This is why all cruelty to animals like dogs, cats, horses that die by neglect etc. cannot be condoned. Not because they are cute and furry but that is a horrendous way to die and neglect is a human factor.

Killing a rat in a trap is actually, in my argument, a reasonably humane way to go. They neck should break and the rat should immediately suffer cardiac or brain failure and die. Rats and mice do feel pain and proprioception, this is proven in laboratory testing. We previously knew a lot less about octopus, shrimp and lobsters as they have completely different nervous systems to animals like people and dogs but they also have similar experiences to bad stimuli.

So ppl that eat live shrimp, squid or cook lobster alive are cruel in my opinion, and callous as well, and this is an inhumane death for said creature and should not be condoned.

Amirani

The obvious answer is whether they're sentient or not I guess? So obviously any animal that is aware of its own existence and is capabale of feeling pain and pleasure. In general this is any animal that has a spine.

Lapin

Rats

WilyCoyote

GuyFawkes wrote: »

Good, because not only would it be a terrible joke, it doesn't cast you in the most creative of lights.

I don't believe we've the right to kill any living thing for anything other than food and even then... Thinking about becoming veggie.

If you do become a vegetarian .......... will you eat beef-






tomatoes?

Tea 1000

Diego Simeone wrote: »

The obvious answer is whether they're sentient or not I guess? So obviously any animal that is aware of its own existence and is capabale of feeling pain and pleasure. In general this is any animal that has a spine.

Or maybe animals that have a brain? Flys for example don't have brains. They have some form of basic nervous system if I recall from Biology correctly! So it seems like some insects are kind of half way between a plant and an animal. Plants have no brain or nervous system, but most react to environmental changes. Insects take it further with their more advanced nervous system, and obviously aren't rooted!
But I would doubt there's much more to them than that. I doubt there's any processing of pain as opposed to just reacting to what we'd perceive as pain. Again, I'm really only assuming here based on my limited research. But animals have brains and thusly have a means of processing pain, therefore should be treated humanely.
That'd be my personal cut-off anyway. I wouldn't be cruel to insects, I throw spiders outside, and I actively try to protect bumble bee's because of their increasing rarity, but I don't think twice about swatting and killing flys or wasps or any of the pest variety if opening the window doesn't work!

Omackeral

In light of the staffie situation in the Curragh (being tied up and set alight), I'm wondering are there anymore views on this topic? If it were a cat or a rabbit would the outrage be as high? where do we draw the line and why?

spikeS

Omackeral wrote: »

In light of the staffie situation in the Curragh, I'm wondering are there anymore views on this topic? If it were a cat or a rabbit would the outrage be as high? where do we draw the line and why?

I would be more upset if it was a cat as I own one, but really the dog is no different then a sheep, we have a warped sense of what animal it's okay to kill

Lau2976

None are below it. I'll take every caution to avoid stepping on any bugs that I can see and I would never kill an annoying bug in my home.