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What if the Gardaí paid you to report people for minor crimes?

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  • #32
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    norrie rugger wrote: »
    That's not a slight misdemeanour, it is dangerous behaviour that we probably all have seen cause very erratic and dangerous driving.

    I didn't say it was a slight misdemeanor. I just said I like pulling people up on the slightest misdemeanor. In general, like.


  • #33
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    I have reported people for less, like parking on pathways, so much so that the path is blocked and you have old people and women with little kids having to walk out beside the traffic. I have no problem with it to be honest, I think the behaviour of some people in this country is eye wateringly ignorant and selfish, do them no harm to be called on it.


  • #34
    Gannicus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Gannicus


    iMac_Hunt wrote: »
    You were definitely the kid who used to stand at the top of the class when teacher went out of the classroom and if anyone was talking, you would write their name on the board, weren't you?

    I don't like your type!

    I remember that kid. Man I hated him soo much. The teacher always picked the same kid too because she knew he would do it.

    I would report (and have reported) people for welfare fraud. But people driving and talking on phones then no. I think the police force in this country needs to be revamped and more feet put on the streets and in cars. Take them away from the desks.

    A physical presence and a much heftier fine would be a better deterrent for the likes of that. At the moment its something like €80 and 2 points for being on the phone. What about 3 points and €150 fine? I think people would be more put off by that instead.


  • #35
    longhalloween
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭longhalloween


    Big Steve wrote: »
    I would report (and have reported) people for welfare fraud. But people driving and talking on phones then no.
    But they're both crimes. How can you differentiate between them?
    Big Steve wrote: »
    A physical presence and a much heftier fine would be a better deterrent for the likes of that. At the moment its something like €80 and 2 points for being on the phone. What about 3 points and €150 fine? I think people would be more put off by that instead.

    Mandatory court appearance and up to €1000 now: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/drivers-caught-on-mobiles-to-face-1-000-fine-1.1759612


  • #36
    bur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭bur


    It's a dangerous act. So yes...but only if i was paid to. :D


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  • #37
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Rats out!


  • #38
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    homeless student wrote: »
    That was low, what harm were they doing?

    Dealing cannabis from a house where other people didn't want him to be doing such a thing. Breaking the law. Having goofballs hanging around the house smoking with him.


  • #39
    Gannicus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Gannicus


    longhalloween wrote: »
    But they're both crimes. How can you differentiate between them?


    I'd have to commit the crime by getting a camera out to film it myself whereas I can just report the welfare fraud and let them look into it then.

    Don't get me wrong the potential for loss by talking on the phone while driving is much worse (ie loss of life from a crash etc) but that's then doubled by me taking out my phone to to video someone else on theirs.
    longhalloween wrote: »
    Mandatory court appearance and up to €1000 now: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/drivers-caught-on-mobiles-to-face-1-000-fine-1.1759612

    That's a plan. I can't see such a big fine and and more time than necessary being taken up by these cases in the courts.


  • #40
    longhalloween
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭longhalloween


    Big Steve wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong the potential for loss by talking on the phone while driving is much worse (ie loss of life from a crash etc) but that's then doubled by me taking out my phone to to video someone else on theirs.

    But if the offence was recorded on a dash cam, you could recover the footage later.


  • #41
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    shockwave wrote: »
    Most Irish people would just rat you out for free.,they dont need money as an incentive ;)


    Lies. in my experience, Irish people are some of the least likely people to rat anyone out. Now the Dutch, they will rat you out as a matter of course. They don't just follow the rules, they *believe* in them.


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  • #42
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    There was an important job to be done and Everyone was sure that Someone would do it.
    Anyone could have done it, but No-one did it.
    Someone got angry about that because he thought that it was Everyone’s job.
    Everyone thought that Anyone could do it, but No-one realised that Everyone wouldn’t do it.
    It ended up that Everyone was angry with Someone because No-one did what Anyone could have done!


  • #43
    B_Rabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭B_Rabbit


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    I've went to the Gardaí on three occasions to report what I felt were crimes, or at least worthy of being made known to them. Another was one of my housemates in college dealing cannabis.

    What harm was he doing you?


  • #44
    carraig2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭carraig2


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Lies. in my experience, Irish people are some of the least likely people to rat anyone out. Now the Dutch, they will rat you out as a matter of course. They don't just follow the rules, they *believe* in them.

    Feel it's to do with our history. Traditionally (albeit yrs and yrs ago) the authorities would have been a foreign power so people in Ireland felt to get one over on the authorities was to get one over on the enemy.
    Ok it's not the same now but it is ingrained deep in many of us that it's not right to snitch.


  • #45
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    carraig2 wrote: »
    Feel it's to do with our history. Traditionally (albeit yrs and yrs ago) the authorities would have been a foreign power so people in Ireland felt to get one over on the authorities was to get one over on the enemy.
    Ok it's not the same now but it is ingrained deep in many of us that it's not right to snitch.


    i agree completely.


  • #46
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    Let's ask a slightly different question. Assuming most people know that the govt of Ireland since 1921 is one selected by the Irish people and the laws passed are passed by elected representatives of the Irish people, what sort of crimes would people be comfortable reporting or going to court as a prosecution witness? I'm curious. I don't think we really are wary of reporting because of the Brits who are gone nearly a century, I think it's because of a more ingrained cowardice and cute hoordom.


  • #47
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    My arse. I will in my hole be bought into being another cctv camera for the government to enforce unpopular laws.

    I would testify if its about physical violence.


  • #48
    carraig2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭carraig2


    Cantremember wrote: »
    Let's ask a slightly different question. Assuming most people know that the govt of Ireland since 1921 is one selected by the Irish people and the laws passed are passed by elected representatives of the Irish people, what sort of crimes would people be comfortable reporting or going to court as a prosecution witness? I'm curious. I don't think we really are wary of reporting because of the Brits who are gone nearly a century, I think it's because of a more ingrained cowardice and cute hoordom.

    Let's ask another question. Assuming most people know that the govt of Ireland since 1921 is one selected by the Irish people and the laws passed are passed by elected representatives of the Irish people and that said elected representatives have broken laws and abused their power by having them covered up, and said representatives have also abused their power to cover up law-breaking by their kin, friends and cronies, what sort of crimes would people be comfortable reporting or going to court as a prosecution witness?
    Not just cowardice and cute hoordom stops people reporting.


  • #49
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    No. I'm too busy noticing oncoming traffic, traffic lights, road markings, road signs, observing brake lights of the cars ahead of me, pedestrians, cyclists, people pulling out of side roads, observing the behaviour of vehicles behind me, and generally keeping my eyes on what I'm doing while driving to notice if someone was on a phone.


  • #50
    longhalloween
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭longhalloween


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    ...for the government to enforce unpopular laws.

    It's fairly popular on the motoring forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057188341


  • #51
    carraig2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭carraig2


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    My arse. I will in my hole be bought into being another cctv camera for the government to enforce unpopular laws.

    I would testify if its about physical violence.

    +1 on physical violence or placing a child in danger.


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  • #52
    homeless student
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭homeless student


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    Dealing cannabis from a house where other people didn't want him to be doing such a thing. Breaking the law. Having goofballs hanging around the house smoking with him.

    oh no don't break the law :p could you not just tell him to stop dealing, you probably rang your mammy first to tell her. pathetic.


  • #53
    geeky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭geeky


    carraig2 wrote: »
    Feel it's to do with our history. Traditionally (albeit yrs and yrs ago) the authorities would have been a foreign power so people in Ireland felt to get one over on the authorities was to get one over on the enemy.
    Ok it's not the same now but it is ingrained deep in many of us that it's not right to snitch.

    I agree with this 100%, and it's the same mentality that tolerates a backhander culture, fiddling the dole, fiddling tax.

    People don't really get the idea of the state and its laws as ours - they treat it as something imposed on them from above, and something that it's perfectly acceptable to rip off or stick two fingers up to. The attitude is on the wane, albeit selectively - witness the seemingly normal people treating the property tax as the first lash of the dictator.

    On this specific point, I think the independence struggle and civil war have made informing and reporting crime a much more sensitive issue. I remember reading The Boss - an excellent account of Haughey's GUBU Government - and they covered the discussions around some public information videos to encourage people to report crime. The Ministers and Haughey apparently got very concerned about even using the word 'inform' because of its political context.


  • #54
    Knob Longman
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    homeless student wrote: »
    That was low, what harm were they doing?

    After that he got assaulted so karma caught up with him..


  • #55
    homeless student
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭homeless student


    geeky wrote: »
    I agree with this 100%, and it's the same mentality that tolerates a backhander culture, fiddling the dole, fiddling tax.

    People don't really get the idea of the state and its laws as ours - they treat it as something imposed on them from above, and something that it's perfectly acceptable to rip off or stick two fingers up to. The attitude is on the wane, albeit selectively - witness the seemingly normal people treating the property tax as the first lash of the dictator.

    I think this is a good quality of ours to have, if we were like other countries that always did everything we were told, we would become like robots and become very easily brain washed and controlled by governments who are clearly not to be trusted going by past experience.


  • #56
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    homeless student wrote: »
    oh no don't break the law :p could you not just tell him to stop dealing, you probably rang your mammy first to tell her. pathetic.

    We did tell him to stop dealing. On more than one occasion. But he didn't. So we decided the next course of action was to report him to the Gardaí. He was evicted, his friends calling round to buy weed disappeared, and justice was eventually served on him.


  • #57
    pundy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭pundy


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    We did tell him to stop dealing. On more than one occasion. But he didn't. So we decided the next course of action was to report him to the Gardaí. He was evicted, his friends calling round to buy weed disappeared, and justice was eventually served on him.

    But what harm was he doing to you specifically?
    none.


  • #58
    131spanner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭131spanner


    If minor means it's something harmless like 65 in a 50 zone or having no tax or NCT then I'd never go to the Gardaí. Easier ways to make moola than making things tougher for someone who might be struggling a bit :)


  • #59
    homeless student
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭homeless student


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    We did tell him to stop dealing. On more than one occasion. But he didn't. So we decided the next course of action was to report him to the Gardaí. He was evicted, his friends calling round to buy weed disappeared, and justice was eventually served on him.

    did you warn him you were going to go to the guards first?


  • #60
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    homeless student wrote: »
    did you warn him you were going to go to the guards first?

    A final final warning. A classic example of the thinking that has fcuked the country up.


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  • #61
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    pundy wrote: »
    But what harm was he doing to you specifically?
    none.

    Well he was breaking the law, and dealing cannabis resin from a place where 4 of us lived. All sort of undesirables would be calling to the door looking for him. Many of them would then hang around for a smoke after buying the stuff. The atmosphere was unsociable and I didn't feel safe going into the living room with some of the people who'd hang around. We asked him to stop doing this, or to move to a place where his housemates didn't mind what he was doing. We asked him more than once. He kept doing it. So we went to the Gardaí. They came, found enough cannabis to do him on a charge of possession, and he disappeared from our lives.


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