What if the Gardaí paid you to report people for minor crimes?

longhalloween

Driving around today I saw 3 people talking on their phones while driving. Got me thinking that if I had a dash cam I could record these people breaking the law.

So what if the Gardaí offered €50 to the person who submitted evidence of someone on their phone while driving along with their number plate.

Would you do it?

I probably would.

Lapin

Nope.

Teyla Emmagan

I definitely would. I love correcting other people/pulling them up on the slightest misdemeanor (whilst being in no way perfect myself). Most importantly, I love judging other people.

Sign me up!

pundy

longhalloween wrote: »

Driving around today I saw 3 people talking on their phones while driving. Got me thinking that if I had a dash cam I could record these people breaking the law.

So what if the Gardaí offered €50 to the person who submitted evidence of someone on their phone while driving along with their number plate.

Would you do it?

I probably would.

but surely you would have to break the law to use your phone while driving to take the picture of someone else using their phone while driving?

plus no, it's only the dreggs of society that would stoop to rat on someone for petty crime like that.

maybe if it was a violent crime, or something like that, but they have cctv for that.

so no.

discus

You mean like some sort of socialist, communist state? No thanks mate

SEANoftheDEAD

longhalloween wrote: »

Driving around today I saw 3 people talking on their phones while driving. Got me thinking that if I had a dash cam I could record these people breaking the law.

So what if the Gardaí offered €50 to the person who submitted evidence of someone on their phone while driving along with their number plate.

Would you do it?

I probably would.

****ér

MRnotlob606

I think that would make society more paranoid and make people suspicious of others

Sir Arthur Daley

The Guards should lead from example and not be using mobile phones themselves or putting on the blue hazards when they dont feel like waiting at traffic lights just because there takeaway is getting cold.

D1stant

longhalloween wrote: »

Driving around today I saw 3 people talking on their phones while driving. Got me thinking that if I had a dash cam I could record these people breaking the law.

So what if the Gardaí offered €50 to the person who submitted evidence of someone on their phone while driving along with their number plate.

Would you do it?

I probably would.

You have a long career in politics ahead of you. I recommend Labour, you'll slot right in

shockwave

Most Irish people would just rat you out for free.,they dont need money as an incentive

Slicemeister

I saw a garda once.

rubadub

pundy wrote: »

plus no, it's only the dreggs of society that would stoop to rat on someone for petty crime like that.

But people are already paid to rat on people for petty crimes like this. -the gardai are not volunteers and in effect rat people out to the courts.

iMac_Hunt

You were definitely the kid who used to stand at the top of the class when teacher went out of the classroom and if anyone was talking, you would write their name on the board, weren't you?

I don't like your type!

Artful_Badger

Only if I knew they were an asshole.

norrie rugger

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I definitely would. I love correcting other people/pulling them up on the slightest misdemeanor !

That's not a slight misdemeanour, it is dangerous behaviour that we probably all have seen cause very erratic and dangerous driving.

longhalloween

pundy wrote: »

but surely you would have to break the law to use your phone while driving to take the picture of someone else using their phone while driving?

Dash Cam

pundy wrote: »

plus no, it's only the dreggs of society that would stoop to rat on someone for petty crime like that.

Some d*ck on his phone pulled out in front of me yesterday. I nearly crashed trying to avoid him. Turning him into the cops is the least I'd do to him.

Davarus Walrus

The word rat has such negative connotations. On the one hand, you have people hear going on about society going to hell in a handbasket due to the levels of crime and lawlessness. Yet, if you pop into the local station to report a crime you're considered a rat. Which is it?

I've went to the Gardaí on three occasions to report what I felt were crimes, or at least worthy of being made known to them. One for a road rage incident I witnessed. Another was one of my housemates in college dealing cannabis. The last one was making a statement regarding being assaulted.

I didn't expect to be paid, nor would I agree with such a thing.

KyussBishop

If you wouldn't rat someone out, for driving while drunk, that would make you the asshole - so it depends; for petty stuff, no, but if someone is a danger to others, yes.

pundy

rubadub wrote: »

But people are already paid to rat on people for petty crimes like this. -the gardai are not volunteers and in effect rat people out to the courts.

haha that's true.

but no, i think it's a ridiculous thing to do as a member of the public who isnt a garda or in a role with that authority.

for any number of reasons - mainly being that weed is still illegal and sometimes i have to risk jailtime to get it and the last thing id want is some ar5ehole taping me on their camera and ratting me in for something that doesnt affect them in the slightest, but yet, stupidly could land me in jail doing more time than if i had just murdered the person who taped me.

so it would just result in more murders of witnesses over a 50bag - because you'd get less time in prison for murder in this country.

haha rant over,. bit of my own agenda popping in there, but its still ridiculous.

SEANoftheDEAD

pundy wrote: »

haha that's true.

but no, i think it's a ridiculous thing to do as a member of the public who isnt a garda or in a role with that authority.

for any number of reasons - mainly being that weed is still illegal and sometimes i have to risk jailtime to get it and the last thing id want is some ar5ehole taping me on their camera and ratting me in for something that doesnt affect them in the slightest, but yet, stupidly could land me in jail doing more time than if i had just murdered the person who taped me.

so it would just result in more murders of witnesses over a 50bag - because you'd get less time in prison for murder in this country.

haha rant over,. bit of my own agenda popping in there, but its still ridiculous.

Any 50 bags man?

No Pants

discus wrote: »

You mean like some sort of socialist, communist state? No thanks mate

Socialist AND communist? That would be a step too far.

Artful_Badger

What's the difference between a rat and a whistleblower ?

norrie rugger

We all gave out at the treatment of the Garda whistleblowers yet call people rats, in everyday examples.

pundy

SEANoftheDEAD wrote: »

Any 50 bags man?

haha i wish!

in fact though, rant or not, and i know it could be considered to be side-tracking and not on topic, but it actually is - when you're talking about the reality of the "crimes" people would be ratted on for, it's ridiculous.

some have-a-go hero on their poxy phone ending you in jail for 10 years for buying some plant material.

c_man

RATS OUT

homeless student

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

The word rat has such negative connotations. On the one hand, you have people hear going on about society going to hell in a handbasket due to the levels of crime and lawlessness. Yet, if you pop into the local station to report a crime you're considered a rat. Which is it?

I've went to the Gardaí on three occasions to report what I felt were crimes, or at least worthy of being made known to them. One for a road rage incident I witnessed. Another was one of my housemates in college dealing cannabis. The last one was making a statement regarding being assaulted.

I didn't expect to be paid, nor would I agree with such a thing.

That was low, what harm were they doing?

norrie rugger

c_man wrote: »

RATS OUT

Ireland is a sinking ship

longhalloween

norrie rugger wrote: »

We all gave out at the treatment of the Garda whistleblowers yet call people rats, in everyday examples.

Changed the thread title to something less confrontational.

iMac_Hunt wrote: »

You were definitely the kid who used to stand at the top of the class when teacher went out of the classroom and if anyone was talking, you would write their name on the board, weren't you?

I don't like your type!

Not at all. I just don't like people breaking the law.

carraig2

iMac_Hunt wrote: »

You were definitely the kid who used to stand at the top of the class when teacher went out of the classroom and if anyone was talking, you would write their name on the board, weren't you?

I don't like your type!

:D

wp_rathead

Snitches get stiches yo

bumper234

Artful_Badger wrote: »

What's the difference between a rat and a whistleblower ?

About €3.50?

Teyla Emmagan

norrie rugger wrote: »

That's not a slight misdemeanour, it is dangerous behaviour that we probably all have seen cause very erratic and dangerous driving.

I didn't say it was a slight misdemeanor. I just said I like pulling people up on the slightest misdemeanor. In general, like.

Teyla Emmagan

I have reported people for less, like parking on pathways, so much so that the path is blocked and you have old people and women with little kids having to walk out beside the traffic. I have no problem with it to be honest, I think the behaviour of some people in this country is eye wateringly ignorant and selfish, do them no harm to be called on it.

Gannicus

iMac_Hunt wrote: »

You were definitely the kid who used to stand at the top of the class when teacher went out of the classroom and if anyone was talking, you would write their name on the board, weren't you?

I don't like your type!

I remember that kid. Man I hated him soo much. The teacher always picked the same kid too because she knew he would do it.

I would report (and have reported) people for welfare fraud. But people driving and talking on phones then no. I think the police force in this country needs to be revamped and more feet put on the streets and in cars. Take them away from the desks.

A physical presence and a much heftier fine would be a better deterrent for the likes of that. At the moment its something like €80 and 2 points for being on the phone. What about 3 points and €150 fine? I think people would be more put off by that instead.

longhalloween

Big Steve wrote: »

I would report (and have reported) people for welfare fraud. But people driving and talking on phones then no.

But they're both crimes. How can you differentiate between them?

Big Steve wrote: »

A physical presence and a much heftier fine would be a better deterrent for the likes of that. At the moment its something like €80 and 2 points for being on the phone. What about 3 points and €150 fine? I think people would be more put off by that instead.

Mandatory court appearance and up to €1000 now: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/drivers-caught-on-mobiles-to-face-1-000-fine-1.1759612

bur

It's a dangerous act. So yes...but only if i was paid to.

super_furry

Rats out!

Davarus Walrus

homeless student wrote: »

That was low, what harm were they doing?

Dealing cannabis from a house where other people didn't want him to be doing such a thing. Breaking the law. Having goofballs hanging around the house smoking with him.

Gannicus

longhalloween wrote: »

But they're both crimes. How can you differentiate between them?

I'd have to commit the crime by getting a camera out to film it myself whereas I can just report the welfare fraud and let them look into it then.

Don't get me wrong the potential for loss by talking on the phone while driving is much worse (ie loss of life from a crash etc) but that's then doubled by me taking out my phone to to video someone else on theirs.

longhalloween wrote: »

Mandatory court appearance and up to €1000 now: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/drivers-caught-on-mobiles-to-face-1-000-fine-1.1759612

That's a plan. I can't see such a big fine and and more time than necessary being taken up by these cases in the courts.

longhalloween

Big Steve wrote: »

Don't get me wrong the potential for loss by talking on the phone while driving is much worse (ie loss of life from a crash etc) but that's then doubled by me taking out my phone to to video someone else on theirs.

But if the offence was recorded on a dash cam, you could recover the footage later.

bodice ripper

shockwave wrote: »

Most Irish people would just rat you out for free.,they dont need money as an incentive

Lies. in my experience, Irish people are some of the least likely people to rat anyone out. Now the Dutch, they will rat you out as a matter of course. They don't just follow the rules, they *believe* in them.

Cantremember

There was an important job to be done and Everyone was sure that Someone would do it.
Anyone could have done it, but No-one did it.
Someone got angry about that because he thought that it was Everyone’s job.
Everyone thought that Anyone could do it, but No-one realised that Everyone wouldn’t do it.
It ended up that Everyone was angry with Someone because No-one did what Anyone could have done!

B_Rabbit

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

I've went to the Gardaí on three occasions to report what I felt were crimes, or at least worthy of being made known to them. Another was one of my housemates in college dealing cannabis.

What harm was he doing you?

carraig2

bodice ripper wrote: »

Lies. in my experience, Irish people are some of the least likely people to rat anyone out. Now the Dutch, they will rat you out as a matter of course. They don't just follow the rules, they *believe* in them.

Feel it's to do with our history. Traditionally (albeit yrs and yrs ago) the authorities would have been a foreign power so people in Ireland felt to get one over on the authorities was to get one over on the enemy.
Ok it's not the same now but it is ingrained deep in many of us that it's not right to snitch.

bodice ripper

carraig2 wrote: »

Feel it's to do with our history. Traditionally (albeit yrs and yrs ago) the authorities would have been a foreign power so people in Ireland felt to get one over on the authorities was to get one over on the enemy.
Ok it's not the same now but it is ingrained deep in many of us that it's not right to snitch.

i agree completely.

Cantremember

Let's ask a slightly different question. Assuming most people know that the govt of Ireland since 1921 is one selected by the Irish people and the laws passed are passed by elected representatives of the Irish people, what sort of crimes would people be comfortable reporting or going to court as a prosecution witness? I'm curious. I don't think we really are wary of reporting because of the Brits who are gone nearly a century, I think it's because of a more ingrained cowardice and cute hoordom.

bodice ripper

My arse. I will in my hole be bought into being another cctv camera for the government to enforce unpopular laws.

I would testify if its about physical violence.

carraig2

Cantremember wrote: »

Let's ask a slightly different question. Assuming most people know that the govt of Ireland since 1921 is one selected by the Irish people and the laws passed are passed by elected representatives of the Irish people, what sort of crimes would people be comfortable reporting or going to court as a prosecution witness? I'm curious. I don't think we really are wary of reporting because of the Brits who are gone nearly a century, I think it's because of a more ingrained cowardice and cute hoordom.

Let's ask another question. Assuming most people know that the govt of Ireland since 1921 is one selected by the Irish people and the laws passed are passed by elected representatives of the Irish people and that said elected representatives have broken laws and abused their power by having them covered up, and said representatives have also abused their power to cover up law-breaking by their kin, friends and cronies, what sort of crimes would people be comfortable reporting or going to court as a prosecution witness?
Not just cowardice and cute hoordom stops people reporting.

sopretty

No. I'm too busy noticing oncoming traffic, traffic lights, road markings, road signs, observing brake lights of the cars ahead of me, pedestrians, cyclists, people pulling out of side roads, observing the behaviour of vehicles behind me, and generally keeping my eyes on what I'm doing while driving to notice if someone was on a phone.

longhalloween

bodice ripper wrote: »

...for the government to enforce unpopular laws.

It's fairly popular on the motoring forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057188341

carraig2

bodice ripper wrote: »

My arse. I will in my hole be bought into being another cctv camera for the government to enforce unpopular laws.

I would testify if its about physical violence.

+1 on physical violence or placing a child in danger.