Enda Kenny to invite British Royals to 1916 Easter Rising celebrations??

bear1 · 11-04-2014 02:18PM

pojfexcsc wrote: »

**** sake it happened to innocent men and boys who are Irish as me and anyone else born here, stop the apologist nonsense.

I'm not apologising. I never said they weren't Irish, wouldn't matter if they were British either. It wasn't in ROI.. That is a fact.

pojfexcsc · 11-04-2014 02:19PM

Why would we be inviting head of other states anyway?

pojfexcsc · 11-04-2014 02:22PM

bear1 wrote: »

I'm not apologising. I never said they weren't Irish, wouldn't matter if they were British either. It wasn't in ROI.. That is a fact.

So the fact this massacre by her army happened a stones throw from rural Donegal negates it being any importance to you? cop on and lets be the ones to drag this off topic.

Fratton Fred · 11-04-2014 02:22PM

pojfexcsc wrote: »

Why would we be inviting head of other states anyway?

Because it's the done thing.

Look at the 200th anniversaries of Bastille day, or the American declaration of independence.

Jonny Blaze · 11-04-2014 02:23PM

pojfexcsc wrote: »

That day should be solely focused on the men and women who fought for Ireland, having the royals there would just create a media ****storm where everyone and the world media would be focused on the wrong thing.

Ha! Yeah cos the world media gives a toss about irish history squabbles!

orangesoda · 11-04-2014 02:23PM

bear1 wrote: »

Bloody Sunday didn't take part in the Republic though. There's a difference.

It's all interlinked though, sure one of the famous figures of the rising was from Tyrone

bear1 · 11-04-2014 02:24PM

pojfexcsc wrote: »

So the fact this massacre by her army happened a stones throw from rural Donegal negates it being any importance to you? cop on and lets be the ones to drag this off topic.

Jesus. I simply said it wasn't in the Republic. A poster mention that paras should be allowed in the parade to say everything is ok after Bloody Sunday.
Why don't you stop dragging this point on and on and present some other valid points instead of presuming what I meant.

pojfexcsc · 11-04-2014 02:29PM

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Ha! Yeah cos the world media gives a toss about irish history squabbles!

They cream themselves over anything to do with English royalty, FOX news broadcasting what colour suit she'll be wearing outside the GPO and all.

on the river · 11-04-2014 02:37PM

I think Enda is licking the arse of the monarch for his own european ambition.

The 1916 rising represents are struggle for independce.

I don't it would be approciate for the britsh monarch to be present.

Ireland and UK are firm friends and Anglo Irish relations are at a all time high.

Yet i feel the line must be drawn somewhere

D1stant · 11-04-2014 02:39PM

homeless student wrote: »

the 1916 celebrations should be about celebrating the bravery of all the rebels who fought in 1916, not another excuse for enda to lick the royal families ass and have union jacks flying all over Dublin.

Ah look, the Jackeens have missed waving the flag. Let them have their day out :pac:

Mr Freeze · 11-04-2014 02:42PM

The 1916 rising celebrations.

They can do what they want, it won't affect me, it will be a normal working day (or days) for me.

Outside the capital, you won't even know they are celebrating something.

LordSutch · 11-04-2014 02:55PM

Clebrations or commemorations?

Certainly regarding the Somme/Great War it will all be commemorations in 2016, as there will be little to celebrate considering all the death & horror of that war in which fifty thousand Irish men died.

Will/should people celebtate the centenary of the Easter rising, or should they just mark it and commemorate those who died (from all sides)?

scamtown · 11-04-2014 03:00PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

The 1916 rising celebrations.

They can do what they want, it won't affect me, it will be a normal working day (or days) for me.

Outside the capital, you won't even know they are celebrating something.

100 years of selling out the men of 16
celebration
, will be ignoring this whole sham..Zzz

FTA69 · 11-04-2014 03:05PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Will/should people celebtate the centenary of the Easter rising, or should they just mark it and commemorate those who died (from all sides)?

B*llocks they should. Let's not get it mistaken here, there was zero moral equivalency between British imperialism in Ireland and those who sought to oppose it. It wasn't a misfortunate conflict where both sides were culpable; one side sought to suppress the nationhood of the Irish people while another sought to establish it. Someone like James Connolly would be far more worthy of respect and commemoration than the forces who later disgraced themselves in this country in the name of oppression. Sure while we're at it why don't we throw up a few monuments to the Black and Tans in Cork and the Parachute Regiment in Derry? Sure weren't they all combatants and isn't all war terrible?

1916 was the beginning of the struggle for a 32 County Irish Republic, something that hasn't been realised due to the strategic and political interest that Britain retains in this country. It was only last year that they flat refused to provide us with the files they had on the Dublin/Monaghan bombings, an incident they had a direct hand in.

All of this hand-wringing and ceremonial b*llocks is not a sign that Ireland is held in esteem, it's a process whereby the British claim in this country is solidified and justified. Only this time Irish people themselves are participating in it as opposed to fighting it.

Sad stuff.

twistedwrath · 11-04-2014 03:08PM

What I will be interest to see, however, is the reaction of Northern loyalists/unionists/fleggers if any visit takes place.

Nodin · 11-04-2014 03:08PM

FTA69 wrote: »

B*llocks they should. Let's not get it mistaken here, there was zero moral equivalency between British imperialism in Ireland and those who sought to oppose it. It wasn't a misfortunate conflict where both sides were culpable; one side sought to suppress the nationhood of the Irish people while another sought to establish it. Someone like James Connolly would be far more worthy of respect and commemoration than the forces who later disgraced themselves in this country in the name of oppression. Sure while we're at it why don't we throw up a few monuments to the Black and Tans in Cork and the Parachute Regiment in Derry? Sure weren't they all combatants and isn't all war terrible?

1916 was the beginning of the struggle for a 32 County Irish Republic, something that hasn't been realised due to the strategic and political interest that Britain retains in this country. It was only last year that they flat refused to provide us with the files they had on the Dublin/Monaghan bombings, an incident they had a direct hand in.

All of this hand-wringing and ceremonial b*llocks is not a sign that Ireland is held in esteem, it's a process whereby the British claim in this country is solidified and justified. Only this time Irish people themselves are participating in it as opposed to fighting it.

Sad stuff.

+1, as they used say.

orangesoda · 11-04-2014 03:10PM

I would love to know this blokes opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_aWuoXNjWo&t=7m2s

eyescreamcone · 11-04-2014 03:12PM

FTA69 wrote: »

B*llocks they should. Let's not get it mistaken here, there was zero moral equivalency between British imperialism in Ireland and those who sought to oppose it. It wasn't a misfortunate conflict where both sides were culpable; one side sought to suppress the nationhood of the Irish people while another sought to establish it. Someone like James Connolly would be far more worthy of respect and commemoration than the forces who later disgraced themselves in this country in the name of oppression. Sure while we're at it why don't we throw up a few monuments to the Black and Tans in Cork and the Parachute Regiment in Derry? Sure weren't they all combatants and isn't all war terrible?

1916 was the beginning of the struggle for a 32 County Irish Republic, something that hasn't been realised due to the strategic and political interest that Britain retains in this country. It was only last year that they flat refused to provide us with the files they had on the Dublin/Monaghan bombings, an incident they had a direct hand in.

All of this hand-wringing and ceremonial b*llocks is not a sign that Ireland is held in esteem, it's a process whereby the British claim in this country is solidified and justified. Only this time Irish people themselves are participating in it as opposed to fighting it.

Sad stuff.

Chucky urlár!!!

bumper234 · 11-04-2014 03:13PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

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conorhal · 11-04-2014 03:18PM

FTA69 wrote: »

B*llocks they should. Let's not get it mistaken here, there was zero moral equivalency between British imperialism in Ireland and those who sought to oppose it. It wasn't a misfortunate conflict where both sides were culpable; one side sought to suppress the nationhood of the Irish people while another sought to establish it. Someone like James Connolly would be far more worthy of respect and commemoration than the forces who later disgraced themselves in this country in the name of oppression. Sure while we're at it why don't we throw up a few monuments to the Black and Tans in Cork and the Parachute Regiment in Derry? Sure weren't they all combatants and isn't all war terrible?

1916 was the beginning of the struggle for a 32 County Irish Republic, something that hasn't been realised due to the strategic and political interest that Britain retains in this country. It was only last year that they flat refused to provide us with the files they had on the Dublin/Monaghan bombings, an incident they had a direct hand in.

All of this hand-wringing and ceremonial b*llocks is not a sign that Ireland is held in esteem, it's a process whereby the British claim in this country is solidified and justified. Only this time Irish people themselves are participating in it as opposed to fighting it.

Sad stuff.

You won't actually believe it but......

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/yourview/ric-commemoration-a-step-too-far-for-peace-process-205255.html

Yes, retired members of An Garda orgnaized a commemoration in Glasnevin for the RIC and Black and Tans killed during the war of independence... boggles the mind doesn't it? There really are some self loathing eejits out there.

problemchimp · 11-04-2014 03:29PM

conorhal wrote: »

You won't actually believe it but......

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/yourview/ric-commemoration-a-step-too-far-for-peace-process-205255.html

Yes, retired members of An Garda orgnaized a commemoration in Glasnevin for the RIC and Black and Tans killed during the war of independence... boggles the mind doesn't it? There really are some self loathing eejits out there.

Jesus, what a bunch of dicks!

FTA69 · 11-04-2014 03:31PM

Nodin wrote: »

+1, as they used say.

And the saddest thing of all is even that eejit McGuinness is at it. A supposed socialist swanning around a f*cking palace congratulating a British monarch on her "contribution to peace" and her "dignity" when she visited Dublin a few years ago. No mention of course that Sinn Féin actually protested her visit at the time.

I don't mind w*nkers, but inconsistent hypocritical w*nkers are impossible to bear.

conorhal,

Yes, retired members of An Garda orgnaized a commemoration in Glasnevin for the RIC and Black and Tans killed during the war of independence... boggles the mind doesn't it? There really are some self loathing eejits out there.

No surprise those bastards were up to something like that anyway. Honest to God what a shambles.

scamtown · 11-04-2014 03:46PM

conorhal wrote: »

You won't actually believe it but......

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/yourview/ric-commemoration-a-step-too-far-for-peace-process-205255.html

Yes, retired members of An Garda orgnaized a commemoration in Glasnevin for the RIC and Black and Tans killed during the war of independence... boggles the mind doesn't it? There really are some self loathing eejits out there.

an garda were formed as a British army police force so no surprise there

Fratton Fred · 11-04-2014 03:50PM

FTA69 wrote: »

All of this hand-wringing and ceremonial b*llocks is not a sign that Ireland is held in esteem, it's a process whereby the British claim in this country is solidified and justified. Only this time Irish people themselves are participating in it as opposed to fighting it.

Sad stuff.

I used to love my Friday liquid lunches when I worked in London. POETS day was even better, no need to get back to the office.

I know this may be upsetting, but not everything is about " the cause".

Besides, surely the two countries being on amicable terms would make a United Ireland more palatable for a lot of people.

FTA69 · 11-04-2014 03:55PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I used to love my Friday liquid lunches when I worked in London. POETS day was even better, no need to get back to the office.

Considering I work in an area that's 80% Muslim in an office that consists entirely of Bangladeshis the auld liquid lunches aren't high on the agenda. Banging fish curries though.