Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

user2011 · 10-04-2014 12:22AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If that did come to pass, Ancelotti would be an excellent choice of manager.

Would of said Simeone, thought his team would of went out tonight but alas great technical nous sees his team prevail. United would being doing seriously well just to get him on board and a CM tbh. If he could replicate something of what he has shown at A.Madrid I'd be seriously happy.

The organisation of his team is f**king unreal. Oh and for any one who didn't know who scored..

Koke :pac:

:cool:

Cantona's Collars · 10-04-2014 12:23AM

jane82 wrote: »

Ancelloti could come in spunk a fortune and head off in two years. Then Mourrihno could come in spunk a fortune and head off in two years. Then Pep could come in spunka fortune and head off in two years. Then we have to give Moyes the job back because there isnt any money to get another short timer in that wants s new squad everywhere he shows up.

Moyes has spent £65 million and we are 7th in the league & no CL football next season.

user2011 · 10-04-2014 12:25AM

Bit ironic sitting here listening to Bruce Springteen-Glory Days :mad::pac:

I don't know when they will return..

Francescoli · 10-04-2014 12:26AM

kippy wrote: »

Why so?

Personally I think he's not all he's made out to be and he wouldn't last more than a couple of years at the club.

Ancellotti has been a success at the highest level and has achieved more in his career than most.I think he could be an excellent manager for United. He was very badly treated by Chelsea imo and in a stable club I reckon he would be willing to stay and build a team.

jane82 · 10-04-2014 12:28AM

zerks wrote: »

Moyes has spent £65 million and we are 7th in the league & no CL football next season.

Yes but the team he buys will be around for years as will he if he doesnt get sacked. Every new manger wants a new team. Look at Jose with Mata. Just fecks him out.
How much did Real spend this year?
How much will Zidane spend if he gets the real job next.
The two year men build a two year team.

kippy · 10-04-2014 12:28AM

zerks wrote: »

Moyes has spent £65 million and we are 7th in the league & no CL football next season.

City have pissed through 350 odd million net in the past 6 years.
What have they to show for it so far:
1 PL
1 FA Cup
1 league cup.

United are only catching up......not matter who the manager is.......

kippy · 10-04-2014 12:29AM

Francescoli wrote: »

Ancellotti has been a success at the highest level and has achieved more in his career than most.I think he could be an excellent manager for United. He was very badly treated by Chelsea imo and in a stable club I reckon he would be willing to stay and build a team.

United wouldnt be a stable club........

John Cherry · 10-04-2014 12:30AM

user2011 wrote: »

Depending on how things are going he is here until Xmas time, if he given anymore time beyond that we as a club are f**king nuts to think of ourselves beyond anyone else.

This is how serious I think things are, we could become the next Arsenal with just accepting 4th from the owners POV, raking in the cash till their hearts content and why the fans should be more supportive of how the way things they feel should be.

We do have this attitude of let's give managers time and we don't want to become a Chelsea or Real Madrid and sack mangers every year or so. I do agree with that to a certain degree but Moyes himself has to be shown that he deserves the time. He has not shown he deserves to be given anymore time and we as a club have had to drop down to Moyes level so he can get use to managing a club like UTD. If he was the right man for the job he should have been able for the step up since day one. If UTD don't move with the times be prepared to be left behind. David Moyes got this job because of who he was friends with and because of Sir Bobby Charlton not liking Mourinho because of his behaviour and past goings on.

We are well on our way down that path. I'm a bit concerned even with Moyes in charge we might not even get to be like what Arsenal are like now. This whole 200 million war chest we have I think is total BS and if it's not god help us if we let Moyes spend it.

Francescoli · 10-04-2014 12:31AM

kippy wrote: »

United wouldnt be a stable club........

Why not?

user2011 · 10-04-2014 12:32AM

jane82 wrote: »

Yes but the team he buys will be around for years as will he if he doesnt get sacked. Every new manger wants a new team. Look at Jose with Mata. Just fecks him out.
How much did Real spend this year?
How much will Zidane spend if he gets the real job next.
The two year men build a two year team.

How many managers have we went through to get to SAF.. What were time spans?

You don't just jump from one long term too the next very stupid to think you can.

Backstreet Moyes · 10-04-2014 12:37AM

jane82 wrote: »

Valencia is a very important player in big games. He was excellent tonight. I dont get all the hatred. Hes a bit one footed yes but his other qualities make up for keeping him around. I doubt hes on huge money and was a large part of the reason Jones looked so good at right full.
Hes not messi but he has his uses and is worth the money hes paid. Young on the other hand has had enough time and hasnt shown anything.

Valencia will hopefully stay around as a squad player. Tonight was his best performance in years but he is not the player he used to be. He is too one dimensional to play quick attacking football he slows down so many counter attacks. If we are to challenge next season than we need better than Valencia. Personally i think the below line up has great speed and creativity which we need to compete. Then you have Nani, Janjuaz, Young and Valencia to come in.

Rooney

Wellbeck

Mata

Kagawa

jane82 · 10-04-2014 12:37AM

user2011 wrote: »

How many managers have we went through to get to SAF.. What were time spans?

You don't just jump from one long term too the next very stupid to think you can.

Tommy docherty dave sexton and big ron all got a few years.

user2011 · 10-04-2014 12:40AM

John Cherry wrote: »

We do have this attitude of let's give managers time and we don't want to become a Chelsea or Real Madrid and sack mangers every year or so. I do agree with that to a certain degree but Moyes himself has to be shown that he deserves the time. He has not shown he deserves to be given anymore time and we as a club have had to drop down to Moyes level so he can get use to managing a club like UTD. If he was the right man for the job he should have been able for the step up since day one. If UTD don't move with the times be prepared to be left behind. David Moyes got this job because of who he was friends with and because of Sir Bobby Charlton not liking Mourinho because of his behaviour and past goings on.

We are well on our way down that path. I'm a bit concerned even with Moyes in charge we might not even get to be like what Arsenal are like now. This whole 200 million war chest we have I think is total BS and if it's not go help us if we let Moyes spend it.

+1 from what I've read it sums it perfectly. Does not excuse the poor job he has done so far though.

Backstreet Moyes · 10-04-2014 12:40AM

jane82 wrote: »

Ancelloti could come in spunk a fortune and head off in two years. Then Mourrihno could come in spunk a fortune and head off in two years. Then Pep could come in spunka fortune and head off in two years. Then we have to give Moyes the job back because there isnt any money to get another short timer in that wants s new squad everywhere he shows up.

If Ancelloti spunks a fortune he will bring in quality players. If Mourinho comes in he will inherit these quality players. If he spunks money than Pep inherits an even better squad. I don't really get your point unless you think every manager that comes in is going to buy duds, than all your fantasy new managers won't need to spunk a fortune.

John Cherry · 10-04-2014 12:43AM

user2011 wrote: »

+1 from what I've read it sums it perfectly. Does not excuse the poor job he has done so far though.

Definitely not.

John Cherry · 10-04-2014 12:44AM

A lot of people sure do like using the word spunk in here

lol

jane82 · 10-04-2014 12:45AM

Take Mata for example. If he was on huge wages he would have been worth a portion of what he sold for. Jose would have loaned him out rather than play him. Look at all the players Chelsea have on loan that will never play for them. Torres Ba and Etoo could soon be joining that list too.

user2011 · 10-04-2014 12:46AM

jane82 wrote: »

Tommy docherty dave sexton and big ron all got a few years.

I posted a link that we went through 5/6 managers since Busby to find another great.

Point being we should expect not to go from one great to another and from what has been shown we ain't no near finding another great with Moyes.

This is epitome of United looking too find greatness.

jane82 · 10-04-2014 12:49AM

user2011 wrote: »

I posted a link that we went through 5/6 managers since Busby to find another great.

Point being we should expect to go from one great to another and from what has been shown we ain't no where near finding another great with Moyes.

This is epitome of United looking too find greatness.

Which ones out of them lads had nevilles butt goldenballs and giggs coming through the youth set up right when the sky money came through.
Alex could easily have been another manager struggling for cash.

If he was sacked after his first year hed have been another also ran.

kippy · 10-04-2014 12:50AM

Francescoli wrote: »

Why not?

What defines a stable club in your eyes?

user2011 · 10-04-2014 12:55AM

jane82 wrote: »

Which ones out of them lads had nevilles butt goldenballs and giggs coming through the youth set up right when the sky money came through.
Alex could easily have been another manager struggling for cash.

Seriously? Can't give give a reasoned response to it tbh,

But like what if Barca didn't have a great academy to produce their greats..

jane82 · 10-04-2014 01:04AM

user2011 wrote: »

Seriously? Can't give give a reasoned response to it tbh,

But like what if Barca didn't have a great academy to produce their greats..

Should Ferguson have been sacked after a year? Let moyes build a team. Im off to bed.

Idbatterim · 10-04-2014 01:06AM

If we give him even a day of next season, he will be there all year and the season will be a write off, sacked or not. No top manager will change clubs mid-season, so at best, he stays another season, at worst, we have a new manager in Giggs who has never managed before.

If the talk is to make a change, it needs, for the good of the club, to be sooner rather than later, so a new manager can come in, make the changes he wants and have the full season to actually prove himself, just like Moyes has had.

totally agreed, its not either or. You need a top class manager and players. Even with them, you will be against other teams in the EPL and CL who already posses this, so even then there is no guarantee of success... I think he will get a second season, have it squandered for you after 2-3 months, what then? sack him mid season and get a caretaker in? as has been noted in the above post, which top class manager will leave a club mid season... that or fergie takes back over till end of season, but if you arent competing for anything at that stage, where would be the point in that?

user2011 · 10-04-2014 01:07AM

jane82 wrote: »

If he was sacked after his first year hed have been another also ran.

Big difference which been spoke of a lot, SAF had a winning background before coming to United, not being an also rand from what has been shown this season.

Being able to bring in the right players, Barry,Lukakau, McCarthy getting the team to play without fear..

Big pluses in my book but look this argument has been done to death for the +/- side of it I ain't going over it again.

I've accepted that he is here until December depending on results and performances. There ain't anything left to discuss imo the damage has been done hopefully United can take it and be able to move forward as a strong club.

chips1234 · 10-04-2014 01:10AM

tbh i didnt voice my opinions on here at all during the season on moyes, and i was firmly in the moyes out brigade quite early/half way into the season, after seeing the team push bayern like we have in the two legs im left wondering why the **** we couldnt play like that all season in the premier league ? i know we weren't all over them but we had our chances and played and looked like manchester united. and right now i think that if moyes can get that team to play like they played over those two legs and with a couple of signings were right back in there with a shout for the league, so im firmly sticking myself in the i dont know what the fck is gonna happen the following season boat but i genuinely think that we should give moyes time having wrote him off very early in the season not just on the 2 legs v bayern either i think the form and general play has picked up over the last few games and im not sure if thats cause he can fit everyone in without van persie or not either but im looking forward to next season

user2011 · 10-04-2014 01:13AM

jane82 wrote: »

Should Ferguson have been sacked after a year? Let moyes build a team. Im off to bed.

If he had the background of Moyes yes he should have (if he performed to the same level)but he didn't, this has been discussed to death on here so not much point going on with it.

SAF won the European cup, won the cups in Scotland and won the League all over 5 years yeah great comparison to Moyes :rolleyes:

Backstreet Moyes · 10-04-2014 01:22AM

Just to think in the last two legs we started a 40 year old winger and then a midfielder coming back off a severe illness how did it get to this. I mean seriously how was the midfield ignored for so long. I was delighted when Fellaini came in he has been poor i expect him to be better next season. People wonder why we play horrible football it's no surprise when we have no midfielder capable of creating from midfield. A lb and a two very good midfielders and we will be in great shape for next season. We really don't need a massive amount of money imo.

Contrao and Santon about 20 million.
Carvalho and Marchisio about 45 million.

beno619 · 10-04-2014 06:02AM

Junior D wrote: »

AVB tried a change-around at Chelsea similar to what you have mentioned above and look how that panned out. While in theory in might sound good, it's a different matter practically.

Nope all we needed was two CM and a LB to invigorate the squad which clearly needed those players.

FutureGuy · 10-04-2014 06:31AM

Right, so that's that.

One of the best things about the last few games is that Kagawa has gone from someone that Moyes "keeps hearing is good" to someone that has taken his chance to impress by the balls and got to start in the most crucial game of the season. Arguably, he was our man of the match last night.

I hope he plays every second from now until the end of the year. Along with Mata.

Mata. Kawaga.

Wait for it.....

Kagata. Crap. I was doing so well.

goodolegill · 10-04-2014 06:37AM

i am sick of this man love and complete obsession moyes has with keeping Rooney happy.

'Wayne looked as though he had trouble striking the ball. But he’s so important to us.' Moyes

Yet for a man who "struggled to strike the ball", how in the world could he take all of our corners and set pieces.

Mystifying!!

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