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Salary of a Lecturer

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  • #272
    TimeToShine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,880 ✭✭✭TimeToShine


    robp wrote: »
    I'm neutral on this point but current situation is that they do overlap. I am certain that some principals would be earning salaries that over lap with the low to mid range of a professor scale.

    Oh I don't doubt for one second that they're paid extremely well, it's just whether they deserve it or not.


  • #273
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    sarumite wrote: »
    So I guess we can't complain about politicians salaries unless we are politicains right? And how dare anyone question the bonus of bankers unless they themselves are a banker and of course commenting on the greed of private landlords without being a private landlord would be pure ludicrous behavior!!!
    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    I've seen this retort thrown around quite a bit in this forum. It's a kind of non argument. The equivalent of a child saying "i know you are but what am I?".

    It's deflection.


    I think the poster was trying to make the point that whenever there is a thread about civil servants/politicians/lecturers/gardai/teachers, there is always a few who jump on the thread and immediately say stuff like "they are all overpaid and should be fired" without any recent evidence to back this up.

    A similarly simplistic response of "study and become one" is what happens and is then met with the type of response above, none of which contributes in any meaningful way to the discussion as it is all based on hearsay and innuendo.

    Godge wrote: »
    Quite clearly there are some people in the public sector who are overpaid. But who are you comparing them to? They may be overpaid relative to similar jobs in the public service in Zimbabwe and underpaid relative to similar jobs in the private sector in Ireland. It is easy to criticise and you can find figures to back that up and it is easy to defend and you can find figures to back that up.

    That is why these threads and debates go round and round in circles.

    Wouldn't it be much better if we could have a civilised discussion around the factors to be taken into account, job size, organisation size, pension, bonus, car, VHI etc. and the private sector comparators or other public service comparators.


    I understand where you are coming from, but as I explain above, there are some legitimate questions about pay rates in parts of the public sector but the reasons for disparity need to be explained. For example, is it right that a clerical officer type role in an insurance company be paid the same as a clerical officer type role in a social welfare office? Do we want to pay a bit more for the social welfare office as it is important to society to get the best people so that social welfare entitlements are accurate and the state doesn't get robbed and/or people get their full entitlements? Or do we want to pay a bit less for other reasons?

    Rather than getting on high horses, maybe once in a while there could be a discussion about fair methods of pay determination in the public sector (and I don't mean slash them all or we have taken enough cuts).

    As I point out in this post, one thing we are singularly lacking at the moment is real up-to-date data about the relative complexities and pay rates of various jobs in the public and private sector and compared to similar jobs abroad.

    My response to a lot of the posters on this thread is how can you make such definitive statements about the relative pay of [insert homogenised group] without any data or hard evidence to back you up?


  • #274
    sarumite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭sarumite


    creedp wrote: »
    How is 'private landlord' a job title?

    I have had a landlord whose sole source of income was from money generated from rental properties. It was his job.


  • #275
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    sarumite wrote: »
    I assume you forgot to add a ':P' to that satement.


    No...no,I didn't.


  • #276
    sarumite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭sarumite


    chopper6 wrote: »
    No...no,I didn't.

    So what is a politician?


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  • #277
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    sarumite wrote: »
    So what is a politician?

    You tell me...you seem to think it's a job title for which the emplyees are overpaid.

    I fail to see how it's in any way relevant to the salary of a lecturer.


  • #278
    sarumite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭sarumite


    chopper6 wrote: »
    You tell me...you seem to think it's a job title for which the emplyees are overpaid.
    I think its a job title. Whether they are overpaid or not would be a subjective opinion.
    I fail to see how it's in any way relevant to the salary of a lecturer.
    You seem to have missed the point.


  • #279
    creedp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,011 ✭✭✭creedp


    sarumite wrote: »
    I have had a landlord whose sole source of income was from money generated from rental properties. It was his job.


    Im out after this because its an unproductive use of everyones time but to be fair I have never heard of someone advertising a job with the title 'private landlord'


  • #280
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    creedp wrote: »
    Im out after this because its an unproductive use of everyones time but to be fair I have never heard of someone advertising a job with the title 'private landlord'


    And never have i seen an ad for "Politician Wanted".


  • #281
    sarumite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭sarumite


    creedp wrote: »
    Im out after this because its an unproductive use of everyones time but to be fair I have never heard of someone advertising a job with the title 'private landlord'

    I am also not interested in wasting my time in replying to such a ridiculous argument so I'm out as well.


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  • #282
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    sarumite wrote: »
    I am also not interested in wasting my time in replying to such a ridiculous argument so I'm out as well.

    Well you started it by sticking your oar in...like you do in almost all threads relating to people's pay..as long as they're Public Sector,or you think they are.


  • #283
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    To be honest, all three of you probably deserve slaps. No further on this ridiculous and petty bickering or the slaps will be handed out

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


  • #284
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    As for cushy jobs where people get paid well for little to do. Try local councillors or TDs in insignificant areas!

    I wouldn't be a publicly elected official for twice the money they're on. Holding public clinics, people ringing you up moaning about all sorts of nonsense, having to knock on doors looking for votes not to mention all the spin and double speak required if you actually get into office as part of one of the main parties.

    The real cushy number is to get on one of those faceless quangos that only meet up a couple of times a year. Basically free money.


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