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Whatever about knocking this thread on the head, there's certainly some argument to be made for at least consigning it to the Walter Mitty forum.....
You dont have to keep coming back for more.
Even at 3 am.
If you dont like the thread just dont come back.
(Incidentally - I had previously been onto a mod asking about how to get the thread closed, before yourself of tac mentioned it. Still might
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The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »You dont have to keep coming back for more.
Even at 3 am.
If you dont like the thread just dont come back.
(Incidentally - I had previously been onto a mod asking about how to get the thread closed, before yourself of tac mentioned it. Still might )
Truth never sleeps!
Or in my case getting up and getting sorted for a day at the AHB means being up at that crazy hour.
Anything you want me to dig out while I'm here?
Tbh I just keep coming back to find out what other bat sh1t crazy stuff you're posting. It's better than the Conspiracy Forum!0 -
Could have been taken anywhere, proves absoulutely nothing !!!Taken in 1989 and posted on Flickr......there are plenty of photos available.....
So this is the kind of craft armed with medium- and small-caliber guns, surface-to-surface missiles, surface-to-air missiles, and antisubmarine weapons who allegedly, a few Brit infantry men on the shore alleged made ' retreat 'Well the whole incident, including the retreating corvette and the sailor killed thereon is outlined in the "Battle Atlas of the Falklands"
FFS, a very useful and detailed guide allegedly stated by a review in a Argentine Army Journal doesn't mean every single sentence in the book is completely or even near accurate !!!Soldados, the Argentine Army Journal describes the Battle Atlas as "a very useful and detailed guide to the day-by-day development of the war" (see their April 200 edition for the full review.
Captured by the Argentinian's after a token skirmish, don't be getting your jocks into a twist buddy over a typical British f**k up story.Sounds to me like Lt Mills earned his DSC. He took a small, lightly armed force and engaged a superior force, inflicting damage out of all proportion to their size.....sounds like good soldiering to me especially as I don't think he lost any of his men.
The Argentinian Navy, when they captured them, seem to have treated them well, so I assume they thought they'd behaved honourably.....0 -
You should post over there buddy, anyone who believes the jingoist British media fairytales of a few Brit infantry men on a shore making a 3,000 ton Corvette class ship armed with medium- and small-caliber guns, surface-to-surface missiles, surface-to-air missiles, and antisubmarine weapons ' retreat ' way out into the oceanTruth never sleeps!
Or in my case getting up and getting sorted for a day at the AHB means being up at that crazy hour.
Anything you want me to dig out while I'm here?
Tbh I just keep coming back to find out what other bat sh1t crazy stuff you're posting. It's better than the Conspiracy Forum! 0 -
Truth never sleeps!
Or in my case getting up and getting sorted for a day at the AHB means being up at that crazy hour.
Anything you want me to dig out while I'm here?
Tbh I just keep coming back to find out what other bat sh1t crazy stuff you're posting. It's better than the Conspiracy Forum!
Ah, yes, more flattery.
(you do of course know that post times are listed with every post.... i.e one page back)0 -
ChicagoJoe wrote: »You should post over there buddy, anyone who believes the jingoist British media fairytales of a few Brit infantry men on a shore making a 3,000 ton Corvette class ship armed with medium- and small-caliber guns, surface-to-surface missiles, surface-to-air missiles, and antisubmarine weapons ' retreat ' way out into the oceanChicagoJoe wrote: »You should post over there buddy, anyone who believes the jingoist British media fairytales of a few Brit infantry men on a shore making a 3,000 ton Corvette class ship armed with medium- and small-caliber guns, surface-to-surface missiles, surface-to-air missiles, and antisubmarine weapons ' retreat ' way out into the ocean
If you think I've posted anything you think is wrong maybe you could post something up that counters it........other than your ill informed, ignorant opinions. Or do you lack the capability to dig out that kind of rebuttal information.......or is what I've posted beyond deconstruction because it's true?0 -
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The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »Ah, yes, more flattery.
(you do of course know that post times are listed with every post.... i.e one page back)
Not sure what your point is but yes I do know post times are listed.
And I'm glad you take such an interest in my circadian cycle......
I was up from about 0330 to get the first flight to Stansted. I'm back tonight, but don't worry I have a lifted sorted from the airport......0 -
ChicagoJoe wrote: »You should post over there buddy, anyone who believes the jingoist British media fairytales of a few Brit infantry men on a shore making a 3,000 ton Corvette class ship armed with medium- and small-caliber guns, surface-to-surface missiles, surface-to-air missiles, and antisubmarine weapons ' retreat ' way out into the ocean
You sure do love to throw that old doozy about don't youThe jingoism is that obvious so I'm not going to explainFrom what I seen on TV yesterday, it's little more than jingoism of a country
Those republican stories you heard while growing up in the USA must have really had an affect :rolleyes:0 -
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Well yes it is simple when looking at it in its simplest terms.
Britain wont let it go, Argentina cant take it - fairly simple when looked at in those
simplistic terms.
I'd agree with your point number 2. Argentina won't get the islands back through force.
Argentina itself has made it clear that it won't go to war for the islands. That it will
pursue diplomatic channels only (although as I said Arg is strangling the islands
economy).
However, I'd disagree with point 1 (which you'll see here encompasses point 3), I think
with some certainty that in the long term diplomacy will deliver either a
shared/'leaseback offer' territory or a simply Argentine territory.
The option of leaseback was previously discussed between G.Britain and Argentina after
Britain saw quite reasonably that it would be better to have good relations in south
America, a region ripe with potential, than to possess useless isolated islands with a
tiny sparse population. Add to this the negativity factor of not only lost potential
good relations with Argentina, but bad relations with Argentina/Bolivarian countries in
south America.
This well reasoned thinking led whitehall and Nicholas Ridley, Minister of State at the
Foreign Office to consider bargaining with Argentina.
Naturally galtieri scuppered this potential, in a attempt to glorify himself.
And so naturally Britain after winning dug its heels in.
That however was during the 80's. 30 years has passed and a great deal of those who were
around during the 80's have sadly passed on. The present (British) new generation and
future generations will inherit power over this issue, I believe they'll see it
differently.
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/52/The-Falklands-War-
Sunday-Times-Survey.aspx
The above link shows a poll taken around about the time of the conflict in the 80's,
when asked who should determine the British government's long term policy on the
Falkland Islands 72 % respond Britain as a whole, taking the Falkland Islanders' views
into account.
This is surely the natural position for a nation when dealing with an issue which
affects the entire nations foreign relations. I think this will return as the future
British opinion - Britain as a whole determining what should happen with respect to the
islands and foreign relations with Argentina/Mercosur. Rather than havin control over
such a key area for the whole country being left in the hands of 2500 people who
obviously will/must look out for themselves.
The logic will eventually hit the British public that it is pointless to maintain 2500
people on land the size of N.Ireland 14,000 km away and inherit in return only animosity
from a trade block (which includes Brazil) influenced by Argentina, as well as Argentina
itself, which on a side point holds giant lithium deposits found in few other places
worldwide, an essential component for the batteries we'll be using in the future ... but I digress.
A few pages back I posted a copy of a proposal by a British MP that laid out the terms
for sharing the islands. I can see something along those lines occuring again (depending
on the oil situation) as it will seem like the obvious choice to those not motivated by
emotions from the 80's.
Having MPs (and a national broadsheet editor) starting to dare address the topic on tv
is a very early sign of reason being chosen over resentment.
(yes Argentina did operate an aircraft carrier a few decades ago, I think thats an
achievement that few countries can claim and I think they'll manage it again in time)
Argentina's inflation problem wont last forever. 0 -
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The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »
(yes Argentina did operate an aircraft carrier a few decades ago, I think thats an
achievement that few countries can claim and I think they'll manage it again in time)
Think it's time to practice watch you've preached.........The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »Thats probably better suited to an history forum.The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »Well, funny anecdotes from the past, pictures of 80's downed helicopters, rewarding of medals in the 80's for raids carried out by such and such which resulted in whatever, generally belong to stories from the 80's and so to some war history forum.
(They're rich in 80's historic detail, like what might be found on a history forum, along with the referenced war history books)
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And it's highly unlikely they'll operate an aircraft carrier again. The cost of naval aviation is escalating and accelerating (according to Van Creveld in Air Power) and is pricing everyone out of the market with the exception of the US, UK, France, India and China. Brazil is teetering and Italy and Spain have opted for scaled down versions.
You need more than the carrier, you need to have enough ships of the right kind to operate it as a carrier battle group and that includes ASW, air defence and auxiliary / replenishment vessels.0
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