Kurt Cobain died 20 years ago today

RDM_83 again · 06-04-2014 11:59PM

Looking at the post, who thanks it and what its in reply to its clearly about Courtney Love.

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Right the spitting comment was out of order; goes without saying. The post referred to uber sensitive people though, rather than just one person.

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Why are they "uber sensitive"? This is suicide he was talking about; it's an emotive subject - it's not running out of teabags.

Every time people go on about people being uber sensitive, I can't help thinking they're projecting.

Since when did anything on boards go with out saying

Thats your reply to Coffees post, That spitting post was thanked so i presume thats the over sensitive people he was referring to yet its the people who object to that you throw a cheap dig at or am I misreading your post about wetting themselves with offence somehow?
Pulling the spitting and the abuse at Love isn't whats in the mood of the thread though thats why your post is typical boards Circle Jerking.

This does prove Cobains relevance though since he can still start an argument 20 years later :-)

Arne_Saknussem · 07-04-2014 08:23AM

greenflash wrote: »

I literally fought my way out of that crowd. Was a biig Nirvana fan in 90 and 91. Was all hyped up for that headline spot and it was ruined by Loaded-reading lad types constantly shouting for Teen Spirit and acting like complete spas. The crowd was not cool like previous Nirvana gigs and the band's performance suffered for it. I didn't buy In Utero or bother going to see them live again because I just stopped being into them that night.

I read about Kurt's death in the music press and watched the news reports but didn't get the public outpouring of grief that many felt the need for. I thought then, and to a certain extent, still do now that Kurt's suicide was another bandwagon for the masses to latch onto. It created a troubled, pitiful figurehead for the disaffected miseries who were looking to validate their depressed, introspective, angst filled pretend lives before they went onto college and comfortable jobs.

Life carried on and towards the end of the year Unplugged came on MTV and I sat there watching it with my girlfriend and band mates with tears streaming down my face. When my entire music collection was robbed in 98, Unplugged was the first cd I replaced. Still find it hard to listen to now but still have never listened to In Utero. I smile to myself when I see teenagers these days wearing either version of the smilie t-shirt under their army surplus gear. I can't help thinking the mass adulation was what put him in a box and now 20 years on he still can't get away from it. RIP I suppose.

You should, it's the best thing they did.

wawaman · 07-04-2014 09:01AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Well his body wasn't discovered until the 8th which was a Friday. 8 hour time difference between west coast USA and Ireland so it's quite likely the news was breaking in the early hours of Saturday morning in Ireland so she would only be finding out then. I think people forget what life was like before social media

If i remember correctly the news broke in Ireland around 9pm on the Friday. The only reason i remember was i found out on the way to a teenage disco and was heartbroken by the news. I didnt get the "shift " with the girl i was supposed to that night either !

crazygeryy · 07-04-2014 09:05AM

I remember it well. Was on a bus and Dave fanning told me.

mrsdewinter · 07-04-2014 09:46AM

wawaman wrote: »

If i remember correctly the news broke in Ireland around 9pm on the Friday. The only reason i remember was i found out on the way to a teenage disco and was heartbroken by the news. I didnt get the "shift " with the girl i was supposed to that night either !

Yup, Friday night..

fryup · 07-04-2014 09:56AM

(apologies if this has been posted already)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaLF3-13-WQ

Dr.Winston O'Boogie · 07-04-2014 09:56AM

Would have been very interesting to have seen what music he would have put out the last 20 years. I always think he had a stripped down acoustic album in him, solo. Obv there was the unplugged Nirvana album but I am thinking more along the lines of the Johnny Cash American recordings. Would have been brilliant.

RikkFlair · 07-04-2014 10:47AM

Anyone ever buy/read his journals that were released about 10 years ago?

I remember flicking through it and seeing how he had made lists of bands he liked that would probably be seen as "uncool" by a lot of people, ELO and the like.

Chairman Meow · 07-04-2014 11:13AM

RikkFlair wrote: »

Anyone ever buy/read his journals that were released about 10 years ago?

I remember flicking through it and seeing how he had made lists of bands he liked that would probably be seen as "uncool" by a lot of people, ELO and the like.

I thought the releasing of his personal diaries was really not okay. I didnt buy them on general principle.

Anyway, hard to believe its been 20 years. I remember going to the 1 year anniversary of his death in Temple Bar, back when rocker kids hung out on the steps outside central bank lol.

Nirvana shaped so much of what influenced us as teenagers that no other band could ever be that influential again imo. From the type of music we listend to, and by extension, played and wrote (i was like, totally in a band back then, maaaan), to the clothes we wore...everything. I still listen to them today, and as sad as it is that Kurt is dead, at least well never have to suffer through him doing something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Np4GhmxlVQ

Old, fat, completely uncool, breathlessly belching out the lyrics to a song you wrote almost 30 years ago, dancing like an old man at a wedding. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain...

FTA69 · 07-04-2014 11:19AM

I really don't get all of this hatred toward Courtney Love. This notion of an evil succubus bringing down a great man is simplistic b*llocks to say the least. He was a grown man, he made his own choices in life and he is solely responsible for the consequences. Similarly, like all addicts he apparently treated those around him like sh*t. I can't imagine she held him down and forced a load of smack into him repeatedly. Addiction is a tragic thing, and what happened to Cobain is undeniably sad; but blaming someone else for his addiction issues etc is a bit silly to be honest.

pundy · 07-04-2014 11:50AM

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

Watched a documentary where Courtneys father said she did it.

Great singer,junkie scum.

eh... her da was a total acid junkie. he gave her an lsd tab when she was 6.

plus all this talk of Love being the junkie scum, surely Kurt is classed as that aswell - more-so? as he died a junkie. she got sober.

Da Shins Kelly · 07-04-2014 12:06PM

Decent music, but I've always felt like there was a very conscious decision to construct a myth around the guy, something that, if you're to believe what you read about him, he would have hated himself. I'm probably just a little bit too young for Nirvana (I would have still been quite small when Cobain died), but I honestly never understood how they seemed to speak to so many people. I even see it still today with teenagers going on about how much they "mean" to them. That's the power of a decent tune and a tragic story, I guess.

For me, Mellon Collie is still the best record of that particular genre/generation/whatever you wanna call it.

lazza14 · 07-04-2014 12:19PM

Can't believe it's 20 years ... yeah I was a big fan and was meant to go to the gig ...

Worksforyou · 07-04-2014 01:08PM

Just on Courtney Love, I think the news that she's allowing Nirvanas music to be used in a musical is enough reason to dislike her.

I think the views of those who were closest to the situation and knew what was going on should be given the most credence. Dave Grohl hates her, there's so many people who have had negative stories to tell about her, she jumped from one band to Billy Corgan to Kurt Cobain in looking for her fame ticket.
Plus her 94 album which is generally thought of as her best, was clearly written by Cobain. You can even hear him singing backing vocals in demos released. Did she kill him?
I don't know but when I read Tom Grants website a few years ago I was leaning towards yes. I haven't read it in about 5/6 years but just had a look there now again. Here's the link: http://www.cobaincase.com/
He makes a very convincing case.

Arne_Saknussem · 07-04-2014 01:30PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Decent music, but I've always felt like there was a very conscious decision to construct a myth around the guy, something that, if you're to believe what you read about him, he would have hated himself. I'm probably just a little bit too young for Nirvana (I would have still been quite small when Cobain died), but I honestly never understood how they seemed to speak to so many people. I even see it still today with teenagers going on about how much they "mean" to them. That's the power of a decent tune and a tragic story, I guess.

For me, Mellon Collie is still the best record of that particular genre/generation/whatever you wanna call it.

There was a lot of myth making and eulogising done after his death but Nirvana were much more popular before Kurt died than the Pumpkins or any of their contemporaries ever were. Maybe that would have faded if he'd lived and put out a couple of ****e albums.

Perhaps because they were the mainstream breakthrough for many in that scene when a lot of the charts were quite stale. I think there's an honesty and vulnerability to the music that a lot of people related to also.

And Mellon Collie is way too long and slightly overrated imo, but 1979 is a song for the ages :pac:

blue note · 07-04-2014 01:42PM

Nirvana were probably the first band I really loved. I got into them around 1998 and he may as well have been dead as long as Jim Morrisson at that stage, because 4 years seemed like an eternity at that stage. I think it's funny that I considered them a bit of a retro band at that stage and now think of them as quite recent.

Anyway, I was listening to Incesticide a couple of weeks ago. The songs sound like incredible fun to play. They sound great as well. In Utero was the first CD of theirs I got and is still my favourite.

omega man · 07-04-2014 01:48PM

Was a big fan at the time. Haven't listened to them much over recent years but that's probably because my collection of nirvana music consists of mainly vinyl and a couple of cassettes! The whole reaction to his death was cringe worthy at times and I'm sure he'd have had a serious chuckle at it all.....

I'm sure we all missed out on some cracking songs that would have been, nirvana and solo. What a waste.

Da Shins Kelly · 07-04-2014 02:06PM

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

There was a lot of myth making and eulogising done after his death but Nirvana were much more popular before Kurt died than the Pumpkins or any of their contemporaries ever were. Maybe that would have faded if he'd lived and put out a couple of ****e albums.

Perhaps because they were the mainstream breakthrough for many in that scene when a lot of the charts were quite stale. I think there's an honesty and vulnerability to the music that a lot of people related to also.

And Mellon Collie is way too long and slightly overrated imo, but 1979 is a song for the ages :pac:

I guess I meant more in the sense of teenagers of today relating to it so much. I mean, I can kinda understand people who were of that generation relating to it, but teenagers today who are surely too young to truly appreciate the spirit of that generation finding so much meaning in it is kinda funny to me, and like I say, I guess it's a combination of decent music and a good story. When I think of Nirvana I kind of think of a cultural 'moment' more than how amazing the music was (mainly because I don't think it's all that amazing). But then grunge wouldn't really be my go-to genre of music in any case.

I love Mellon Collie though. Billy Corgan's assholery never ceases to amaze, but I think the guy has real musicality. He was the entire driving force of Smashing Pumpkins, writing and composing a great deal of their music himself. And Tonight, Tonight is just an amazing song.

As for Courtney Love, there is no way she orchestrated his murder. She was in no state to get away with something as high profile as that during the 90s. However, I think she's probably a pretty dishonest person and a leech. Her own daughter barely even speaks to her, nevermind the other members of Nirvana.

pundy · 07-04-2014 02:35PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

As for Courtney Love, there is no way she orchestrated his murder. She was in no state to get away with something as high profile as that during the 90s. However, I think she's probably a pretty dishonest person and a leech. Her own daughter barely even speaks to her, nevermind the other members of Nirvana.

that could be because of, you know, 20 years of the daughter reading horrible things that little nirvana girls wrote about her being "the killer" of their idol and how they wanted to be with kurt and whatever... then if not in love with him, the other fans thought of her as a yoko ono already....and what not.

imagine being the partner of a person who kills themselves - as horrific as that would be to go through already, then you have horrible fat goths calling you out as the killer -and when proven wrong time and time again, it turns into "well, she must have orchestrated it then"...

boll0cks.

anyway, hole are by far greater than nirvana.

FTA69 · 07-04-2014 02:38PM

pundy wrote: »

that could be because of, you know, 20 years of the daughter reading horrible things that little nirvana girls wrote about her being "the killer" of their idol and how they wanted to be with kurt and whatever... then if not in love with him, the other fans thought of her as a yoko ono already....and what not.

imagine being the partner of a person who kills themselves - as horrific as that would be to go through already, then you have horrible fat goths calling you out as the killer -and when proven wrong time and time again, it turns into "well, she must have orchestrated it then"...

boll0cks.

anyway, hole are by far greater than nirvana.

I agree, it makes it far easier to believe the above than acknowledge the fact that Cobain was a deeply disturbed addict who treated everyone around him like complete sh*t. The seeds of him turning to smack were sewn long before she showed up.

poundapunnet · 07-04-2014 02:42PM

pundy wrote: »

that could be because of, you know, 20 years of the daughter reading horrible things that little nirvana girls wrote about her being "the killer" of their idol and how they wanted to be with kurt and whatever... then if not in love with him, the other fans thought of her as a yoko ono already....and what not.

I really doubt that's true and I don't think anyone would cut their mother out over stuff they read on the internet.

Have a google of the stuff that's come up in court when the kid has filed restraining orders and gotten custody transferred to her grandparents.

I really doubt Courtney Love was involved in Cobain's death, but she seems like a train-wreck of a human being. But yeah, that's not really surprising given his death and all the crap she gets, let alone how she grew up.

wawaman · 07-04-2014 02:44PM

pundy wrote: »

anyway, hole are by far greater than nirvana.

On the basis of???

Worksforyou · 07-04-2014 02:48PM

So a daughter hates her mother and wants nothing to do with her because of what she's read on the internet?

And Holes best album was written by Cobain so I can't see how they can be considered in anyway better than Nirvana nevermind far greater.

Da Shins Kelly · 07-04-2014 02:53PM

pundy wrote: »

that could be because of, you know, 20 years of the daughter reading horrible things that little nirvana girls wrote about her being "the killer" of their idol and how they wanted to be with kurt and whatever... then if not in love with him, the other fans thought of her as a yoko ono already....and what not.

imagine being the partner of a person who kills themselves - as horrific as that would be to go through already, then you have horrible fat goths calling you out as the killer -and when proven wrong time and time again, it turns into "well, she must have orchestrated it then"...

boll0cks.

anyway, hole are by far greater than nirvana.

I think Courtney Love has been unfairly implicated in his death, but I seriously doubt her daughter shunned her over a bunch of bull**** written by strangers on the internet. She shunned her because of disputes over "documents" (which I'm assuming are the rights to Kurt's image, which Frances is in control of), and allegations of domestic abuse. I don't think Courtney is a murderer, but I have little difficulty believing she's a leech and a difficult person to be around. Frances wouldn't be the only person who has cut ties with her.

topper75 · 07-04-2014 02:58PM

What did K. Cobain do that was different musically or lyrically to what went before him? Why is he seen as a seminal figure in 90s music?

Overdriven powerchords were not a 90's invention nor was morose bedroom poetry cum lyrics.

Can some fan elucidate for us here, as I fail to understand the kudos attributed to this group?

wawaman · 07-04-2014 03:04PM

topper75 wrote: »

What did K. Cobain do that was different musically or lyrically to what went before him? Why is he seen as a seminal figure in 90s music?

Overdriven powerchords were not a 90's invention nor was morose bedroom poetry cum lyrics.

Can some fan elucidate for us here, as I fail to understand the kudos attributed to this group?

Music was not in a good place in 91, the charts were full of s*it like Bryan Adams and his 71 years at number 1 and what passed as rock music was just laughable. If nothing else Nirvana (and Seattle) brought good guitar music into the public consiousness again

eviltimeban · 07-04-2014 03:07PM

I had one of those tickets. And here it is:

I remember the day he died, because it was only a month before that he was in the news for ODing in Rome. I remember saying "imagine he had died!" as in, "imagine the biggest rock star in the world dying!" and it strangely actually happened.

I went to the Kurt Cobain "event" in the Phoenix Park. It was a bit of a shambles so I grabbed some kid's guitar and started playing songs and everyone started to sing along. Was pretty cool as there was a story on it the next day in the Irish Times, along with a photograph (you can just about see me).

Its hard to know how revered Nirvana would be had he stayed alive... then again Pearl Jam and Soundgarden stayed pretty big for a while so no reason why Nirvana wouldn't have.

pundy · 07-04-2014 03:08PM

wawaman wrote: »

On the basis of???

well, on personal taste for me, as well as deducting from the responses above how people were saying "i prefer corgan to cobain" - and then people claiming that cobain wrote hole's album in 1994, and billy corgan co-wrote 3 songs on Celebrity skin in 98', so all in all - they are ALL three bands in one and the singer gets her t!ts out on stage and all that. more fun. and still alive

o1s1n · 07-04-2014 03:09PM

pundy wrote: »

and the singer gets her t!ts out on stage

DO NOT WANT.

pundy · 07-04-2014 03:10PM

o1s1n wrote: »

DO NOT WANT.

haha maybe not now, but she had some decent ones in her around 2000.
her dog ate them though when she got them taken out and the dog died.

Kurt Cobain died 20 years ago today

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