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Captain America Sequel The Winter Soldier

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    #152
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    Honestly it felt like two films
    -A spy thriller
    -An action flick

    They almost worked seamlessly but not quite. Very predictable in places but that's to be expected. Really enjoyed it.
    What was not to be predicted was how ropey some of the CGI was.


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    #153
    Necronomicon
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    Honestly it felt like two films
    -A spy thriller
    -An action flick

    They almost worked seamlessly but not quite. Very predictable in places but that's to be expected. Really enjoyed it.
    What was not to be predicted was how ropey some of the CGI was.

    That was kind of my feeling as well. I loved the espionage/paranoia tone for the first two thirds of the film, so I was disappointed that it descended into another bland, over-the-top, Avengers-esque set piece finale.


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    #154
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    I liked it, but I don't think it bettered the original Captain America.

    Too much shakey-cam in the fight scenes, too much stupid monologuing from the bad guys, no-one in the whole cinema believed
    Fury was dead,
    , and not much Winter Soldier in a movie called The Winter Soldier.

    In the comics, the Winter Soldier was a Soviet agent - why does this one have a red star on his arm?


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    #155
    silverbolt
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭silverbolt


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    I liked it, but I don't think it bettered the original Captain America.

    Too much shakey-cam in the fight scenes, too much stupid monologuing from the bad guys, no-one in the whole cinema believed
    Fury was dead,
    , and not much Winter Soldier in a movie called The Winter Soldier.

    In the comics, the Winter Soldier was a Soviet agent - why does this one have a red star on his arm?

    Dont start comparing the comics to the movies or you will go down a path that can only lead to insanity.

    though i agree there wasnt much winter soldier in it at all


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    #156
    thomas anderson.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭thomas anderson.


    They were only introducing the character because in the next movie he becomes Captain America, the first Cap gets killed by Crossbones (the guy all burnt at the end)


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    #157
    FunLover18
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »

    In the comics, the Winter Soldier was a Soviet agent - why does this one have a red star on his arm?

    Misdirection on Hydra's part?


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    #158
    Gbear
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    In the comics, the Winter Soldier was a Soviet agent - why does this one have a red star on his arm?

    Because he was also a soviet agent?


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    #159
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Gbear wrote: »
    Because he was also a soviet agent?

    So
    Hydra were also inside Soviet intelligence, without anyone there ever knowing?


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    #160
    FunLover18
    Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Gbear wrote: »
    Because he was also a soviet agent?
    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    So
    Hydra were also inside Soviet intelligence, without anyone there ever knowing?

    More likely that it was misdirection.
    Hydra working within SHIELD used TWS to alter things in their favour, JFK, etc. Naturally it wouldn't work out if he could be traced back to SHIELD so paint a red star on him and pretend he's a Soviet.


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    #161
    Gbear
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    FunLover18 wrote: »
    More likely that it was misdirection.
    Hydra working within SHIELD used TWS to alter things in their favour, JFK, etc. Naturally it wouldn't work out if he could be traced back to SHIELD so paint a red star on him and pretend he's a Soviet.

    He was also speaking what sounded like Russian when he was on the road with his gang of miscreants.


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    #162
    FortuneChip
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    Are post credit scenes really necessary anymore?
    Initially it was to tease us about a potential idea that everybody superhero fan wished for but never fully expected to happen.
    Now, we even know who the main villain is in the next Avengers movie, so there's isn't any need to tease us with two post-credit scenes.


    Really good movie though, the fight scenes (not the OTT destructive scenes which are inescapable in Marvel movies) were great. Lots of high energy, high impact hitting. I do wish we got more of the Winter Soldier's persona though. He didn't say much beyond "I don't know you"


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    #163
    [Deleted User]
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    Saw it tonight and rather enjoyed it though it did have a very, made by committee feel. Like the recent Thor film it felt like a film heavily compromised from what the writers and directors originally intended. The 70s style conspiracy plot was really well done and a nice change of pace from the CGI fest that was the Avengers. The early action scenes were well shot and there was a sense of symmetry and spatial awareness to them meaning that we never got lost. Sadly the final set piece just felt far too similar. It played out like the final set piece in every other blockbuster of the past decade and you could easily have thrown in a few deleted scenes from The Avengers and not many would have noticed

    Like then ending, a lot of the films most interesting moments felt rushed. I'd love to have seen more of Steve and Peggy, Steve exploring his past and I'd really have liked to see more of the vets and how Steve actually was adapting to modern life. Dr Zola was a complete missed opportunity and for such a smart AI he'd obviously never seen any action film from the past 40 years.

    Still, it's one of the few Marvel films that I left the cinema looking forward to watching again. There was a sense of fun that many a marvel films lacks and the plot actually has a few interesting ideas.

    It was also nice to see Redford and Newman share the screen again. It was a simply little moment that put a smile on my face and left me eager to revisit Butch and Sundance and The Sting


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    #164
    humanji
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    Like then ending, a lot of the films most interesting moments felt rushed. I'd love to have seen more of Steve and Peggy, Steve exploring his past and I'd really have liked to see more of the vets and how Steve actually was adapting to modern life.
    The Avengers movie had several cut scenes about with Steve adapting to modern life that were cut, so I'd assume there's probably more here. They did seem to really rush past the Peggy part in this. I was expecting something to come of it.
    It was also nice to see Redford and Newman share the screen again.
    They shared the screen in this?


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    #165
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    humanji wrote: »
    They shared the screen in this?

    Redford had Newman's Own sauce in his fridge :p


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    #166
    Agent Coulson
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    humanji wrote: »
    They shared the screen in this?

    When
    Redford opened his fridge Newmans Own's was in it.A nice nod to their friendship I think :)


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    #167
    humanji
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    Ah, I didn't notice that. Brilliant, haha!


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    #168
    [Deleted User]
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    Meant to say in my first post but for me Anthony Mackue was the stand out. He managed to take a character I never cared for and make him interesting and fun. I really hope that we see more of him and I'd sooner see a Falcon film than a Black Widow one. Have to say that Scarlett Johansson was atrocious, she was bland and seemed to be bored throughout the film. There was no chemistry between her and any other character and I'm hiping that all the "do you trust me" crap means that she's going to be killed off in the next Avengers

    I'm sure it's been discussed before but Marvel really need to convince me that all these films exist in one universe. I get that each hero needs their own film but where was everyone else? Surely Iron Man or Hulk who seened to be hanging around Avengers Tower would have been around to lend a hand.

    Hopefully as the universe expands there'll be more characters to play with, the mention of Stephen Strange hopefully means that a Dr. Strange film isn't too far away.


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    #169
    Adamantium
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    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    When
    Newmans Own's

    That's in bad taste.

    LOL :D


    That sounds ****ing hilarious. I'm tittering thinking of it.

    I think I'll have to go see this now.


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    #170
    [Deleted User]
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    Adamantium wrote: »
    That's in bad taste.

    LOL :D


    That sounds ****ing hilarious. I'm tittering thinking of it.

    I think I'll have to go see this now.

    I thought that it was a nice little nod to Redford's past. Think I was the only one in the cinema who caught it as my girlfriend had to ask what I was smiling about.


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    #171
    crazyderk
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    Watched this on Tuesday, I enjoyed it I have to say.

    Question for you though with
    Shield being destroyed

    What's going to happen to agents of shield now?


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    #172
    norrie rugger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    You'll have to watch next week's episode. I think that the film is only being released this week in the States so might seem a bit disjointed


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    #173
    humanji
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    Shield will be rebuilt, no doubt. And it'll take a while for the full fallout out of the film to reach them. Shield is a huge organisation, so it'll take a long while for the government to reassign everyone and they're still going to want teams of agents doing their job, so they could still act in an unofficial capacity while the rest of Hydra are routed out.

    Then again, it's a comic book world, so they can decide to have anything happen. :D


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    #174
    Soft Falling Rain
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    Unless Fury plans on rebuilding it, I can't see it happening.

    The ending showed various agents going their separate ways. Sharon Carter is in the CIA, Maria Hill is applying for a job with Stark, BW and Cap have gone solo etc etc....

    It doesn't look like anyone is too cut up about Shield's demise.
    Then again, if they're following the comics, there's an outside possibility that the reason Stark is hiring Hill is because he is the one who plans to rebuild and take over Shield, and wants Hill by his side to do it. It would be a nice way of easing Stark's (and RDJ's) participation in the cinematic universe.


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    #175
    Zubeneschamali
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    Soft Falling Rain wrote: »
    Unless Fury plans on rebuilding it, I can't see it happening.

    Indeed, no comic-book franchise would ever pull a switcheroo and reset things back the way they were after a big surprising change.


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    #176
    FunLover18
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    Soft Falling Rain wrote: »
    Then again, if they're following the comics, there's an outside possibility that the reason Stark is hiring Hill is because he is the one who plans to rebuild and take over Shield, and wants Hill by his side to do it. It would be a nice way of easing Stark's (and RDJ's) participation in the cinematic universe.
    In which case he may have to pass the responsibilities of Iron Man on to someone else


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    #177
    pah
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    Anybody else spot what was written on
    Furys headstone

    "The path of the righteous man... "

    grinning to myself


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    #178
    Looper007
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    Got to say this Marvel's Studio best film aside from The Avenger's. Very dark and downbeat with a nice touch of heart to it. I got to say I had a bit of dust in my eye a little with the scene between Steve Roger's and
    A elderly Peggy Carter
    . Robert Redford, god he would have been a perfect Captain America in his 70's pomp was brilliant and is it the first time he played
    A Villian, I know he played a few shady characters in the 70's
    . Loved the action scenes (some of the fight scenes were really hard hitting) and the Winter Solider and his past give the film a nice tragic touch. Scarlett Johansson is really winning me over with her last few films and I wouldn't be agaisn't a Black Widow stand alone film. I know Robert Downey Jr gets all the acting plaudits but Chris Evans is really excellent as Captain America.


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    #179
    Soft Falling Rain
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    Johansson's star seems to never have been more hotter than it is right now alright. I'm not sure a standalone film would have legs but I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel run with it now (not like them to turn down opportunity and money).


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    #180
    cloud493
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    Best film of the year for me so far, I liked it even more than the first one. Specially loved the falcon and Evans.


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    #181
    nix
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    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3480822/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1

    Announced apparently?

    Solid Snake to direct?

    :eek:


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