We have a BIG problem!

Muise... · 03-04-2014 11:05PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

the solution is a combination of both. Being totally sedentary is not good for you either.

All you need to do is ensure calories in (good diet) <= calories out (exercise)

Calories in (OMNOMNOM) < calories out (we never saw that bit, Cookie)

stampydmonkey · 03-04-2014 11:07PM

Just keep thinking of all the useless fatties in wall-e..its gona happen

user2012 · 03-04-2014 11:08PM

I'm going to open a can of worms here but Irish isn't exactly the most important subject on the curriculum in schools. It's not like it's an internationally spoken language so why not drop just one class of irish per week in order to teach children about proper nutrition & diet?
If the kids aren't being shown by example at home then it really should be something that is taught in schools as early as possible. The sad truth is that quite a few adults haven't a clue how to cook a proper meal from scratch. For some it's easy to rely on the frozen mulch from supermarkets or takeaways.
I like a takeaway as much as the next person but if I eat a takeaway once a month it's about as much as I would have. I don't rely on it & can very easily get by without it.
I have a baby & she has only ever had proper home cooked meals but I know a few acquaintances that think nothing of letting their babies try Chinese, crisps, chocolate, fizzy drinks etc. apparently the faces they pull is hilarious :rolleyes:
Education is key in changing peoples attitudes to food.

scwazrh · 03-04-2014 11:10PM

Never mind fat kids , what's with all the gingers kids around latley.Now that's an issue that needs to be dealt with!

The Backwards Man · 03-04-2014 11:17PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

the solution is a combination of both. Being totally sedentary is not good for you either.

All you need to do is ensure calories in (good diet) <= calories out (exercise)

Could vigorous eating be regarded as exercise though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OKGUAbpj5k

PizzamanIRL · 03-04-2014 11:17PM

Parents fault. That's it really.

Cookie_Monster · 03-04-2014 11:35PM

Muise... wrote: »

Calories in (OMNOMNOM) < calories out (we never saw that bit, Cookie)

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Could vigorous eating be regarded as exercise though?

those cookies don't just magically turn up you know
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnLoJnJGZD476a1L7oGlU4B7VUHoW1wpMcnehDE-9i0aJc5mPj

Cian92 · 04-04-2014 12:07AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

I'll bet money a can of coke is about half the price it was 20 years ago- we are being flooded by cheap sugar.

I'd take those odds, I can nearly guarantee a can of coke isn't half the price it was 20 years ago.

Capt'n Midnight · 04-04-2014 12:46AM

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

I suppose it's a good thing they went swimming.

Suppose it's safer for them now that Japan have agreed to stop whaling.

ahnowbrowncow · 04-04-2014 12:53AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

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The S**te you she kids eating today is shocking, having said that it's no surprise when you go into a convenience type shop- nothing but cheap surgery crap on sale, and offers to beat the band!

I don't know the answer but as a country we are heading for trouble:(

I read the rest in a Sean Connery accent.

FullblownRose · 04-04-2014 08:23AM

''Was in the swimming pool today when a group of school kids came in for swimming lessons, all boys aged about 10. I was shocked that at least 40-50% were quite seriously over weight. ''

So you saw a class of kids of various sizes all seeming to be active and participating in a sport. That seems like a good sign for the future rather than a ''big problem'' ...

MRnotlob606 · 04-04-2014 08:27AM

Their extra blubber will help them be more buoyant, they can have all their favorite foods and be able to swim better , its a win win,

Hooked · 04-04-2014 08:40AM

I know this is AH and we all love a good pun or witty reply... But in all seriousness, a lot of kids are overweight. Taking my own brothers as examples, what they feed their kids is shocking! And so too is the size of the kids.

I'm mid thirties - and I remember the ONE token fat kid in our class. Fast forward a few years - I'm a designer now - and every time I put together a school yearbook, filling the 'class head shots' from first to sixth year is frightening! Every second or third kid is overweight!

I've no kids myself. We've 2 dogs. I researched the food that we feed them and we weigh them every fortnight.

The fact that parents of (some) CHILDREN can't do the same is baffling. And don't blame the 'cheap' and convenient food available... My shop in Aldi contains noting but fruit, veg and lean meat - all very cheap. I manage to cook a healthy dinner each day on my lunch hour... and feed the dogs.

No excuse in my book.

Lazy (fat) ass parenting.

Oryx · 04-04-2014 08:40AM

FullblownRose wrote: »

''Was in the swimming pool today when a group of school kids came in for swimming lessons, all boys aged about 10. I was shocked that at least 40-50% were quite seriously over weight. ''

So you saw a class of kids of various sizes all seeming to be active and participating in a sport. That seems like a good sign for the future rather than a ''big problem'' ...

Swim lessons are compulsory in schools but they are only done short term. One swim class per week won't undo a crap diet.

FullblownRose · 04-04-2014 08:53AM

Oryx wrote: »

Swim lessons are compulsory in schools but they are only done short term. One swim class per week won't undo a crap diet.

Is that a fairly recent thing that they were made compulsory? If the fat kids dont go back do you think being stared at by grown adults might have put them off by any chance? At an age when they shouldnt have to be worried about their weight.

I know more heavy people who eat very nutritionally varied and rich diets and are at least reasonably active, than thin people who fit that description..yes they are heavy but they are fit and strong and have energy.

It is far easier to make judgements based on taking one look at someone though!

snaphook · 04-04-2014 09:24AM

I am mid-thirties and would consider myself fairly fit. (run Marathons, walk everywhere)
I loathe hospitals, would never consider getting a check up but during a short 4 mile run a few weeks ago I was overcome with pure and utter fatigue and have been in a malaise ever since.

My OH convinced me to get my blood tested.
Results came back.
BMI is normal.
Nutrient levels are normal.
No signs of diabetes.
Not celiac.
BUT

Cholesterol is 5.5. Above normal.
Blood Pressure is sky high for my age (145/85).
GGT and ALT in the liver is sky high due to binge drinking everyweek.
I may have a genetic disposition to Hemachromatosis which might require a DNA test.

I considered myself quite fit but one bad run and I got a reality check and some lifestyle changes to implement. Going to put my ego aside and get another check up in 6 months and every 6 months thereafter.

What headstart are overweight kids getting from their parents in life if they are obese before they even hit puberty?

pickarooney · 04-04-2014 09:32AM

Mariasofia wrote: »

I dont buy that though tbh...takes twenty minutes to whip up a pasta bolognese/stirfry etc send them out with a football while you prepare and join them while its cooking or after dinner!!?

There's the problem right there. Grease and carbohydrates are not healthy food.

Dixie Chick · 04-04-2014 09:37AM

I was waiting to go into a class in a local community hall the other evening. I was waiting for the kids exercise class that was in there to finish and there were mums and dads waiting to collect their kids afterwards. The kids all came out with penguin bars in their hands and one of the mothers was cross as she was saying they go to get fit and are given a bar of chocolate...I could totally see her point. Her own two kids were actually quite overweight so I doubt that it was the penguin bar after an hour of running about that was doing it, but still I was shocked at the class teacher.

pickarooney · 04-04-2014 09:37AM

user2012 wrote: »

I'm going to open a can of worms here but Irish isn't exactly the most important subject on the curriculum in schools. It's not like it's an internationally spoken language so why not drop just one class of irish per week in order to teach children about proper nutrition & diet?
If the kids aren't being shown by example at home then it really should be something that is taught in schools as early as possible. The sad truth is that quite a few adults haven't a clue how to cook a proper meal from scratch. For some it's easy to rely on the frozen mulch from supermarkets or takeaways.
I like a takeaway as much as the next person but if I eat a takeaway once a month it's about as much as I would have. I don't rely on it & can very easily get by without it.
I have a baby & she has only ever had proper home cooked meals but I know a few acquaintances that think nothing of letting their babies try Chinese, crisps, chocolate, fizzy drinks etc. apparently the faces they pull is hilarious :rolleyes:
Education is key in changing peoples attitudes to food.

Why not teach them useful stuff like this, and how to drive, and how to budget money, through Irish? Many birds, few stones.

cletus van damme · 04-04-2014 09:37AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I was a kid in the 80s and ate loads of crap. If anything, there was less awareness of nutrition, and salt-laden, processed convenience foods were regularly dinner. I was still skinny though. Why? Portion sizes were a fraction of what they are, and there was far less choice. And of course less money. Going to McDonalds was a huge event every few months.
Portions are too big these days. E.g. chips. If you're getting a fish and chips or burger and chips as a treat, the amount of chips they give you. :eek:
It would feed a small family.

it feeds me ...when we get chipper i eat all the others left over chips.

jane82 wrote: »

Its the age of the two working parents thats the problem. Aint nobody got time for cooking or exercising with the kids.
I live just slightly above doing it rough to stay at home with the kids. I see everyday in the park they are more advanced better behaved and are in much better shape than other kids.
Their parents may have a nicer laptop or more channels on sky with the extra work but is it worth it?

I agree . made the decision for my gf to stay at home .
less money but better quality of life for us all including meals.
go figure.

Mariasofia wrote: »

I dont buy that though tbh...takes twenty minutes to whip up a pasta bolognese/stirfry etc send them out with a football while you prepare and join them while its cooking or after dinner!!?

you are correct. Although it is a factor . there is no one factor involved just a multitude of the which can be grouped as "unhealthy living".

but I think starting encourage people to eat natural unprocessed food would be a start - a big start.
the other items could be introduced over time.

I think it's a class issue and education issue - but my eldest son plays u12 soccer and I go to the games and rarely see a really fat kid - one or two chunky ones alright.
They'd play teams from a selection of socio-economic areas.
so i don't think there is a hard and fast rule.

Feisar · 04-04-2014 09:38AM

pickarooney wrote: »

There's the problem right there. Grease and carbohydrates are not healthy food.

Grease is fat, of which one third of a healthy diet should be made up of. That one third broken down into three made up of poly, mono and saturated.

Feisar · 04-04-2014 09:42AM

cletus van damme wrote: »

it feeds me ...when we get chipper i eat all the others left over chips.

I agree . made the decision for my gf to stay at home .
less money but better quality of life for us all including meals.
go figure.

you are correct. Although it is a factor . there is no one factor involved just a multitude of the which can be grouped as "unhealthy living".

but I think starting encourage people to eat natural unprocessed food would be a start - a big start.
the other items could be introduced over time.

I think it's a class issue and education issue - but my eldest son plays u12 soccer and I go to the games and rarely see a really fat kid - one or two chunky ones alright.
They'd play teams from a selection of socio-economic areas.
so i don't think there is a hard and fast rule.

So true. I have to laugh when people say, "sure ya don't know what's in food these days"

Eh, yea I do because I chopped it up and put it in there!

whisky_galore · 04-04-2014 09:44AM

Two advantages: fat floats, and in a survival situation they would be still alive when the skinny people would have died of hypothemia.

04-04-2014 09:51AM

pickarooney wrote: »

There's the problem right there. Grease and carbohydrates are not healthy food.

Stirfry made with a mountain of veg and meat is healthy enough though

sdowling04 · 04-04-2014 09:56AM

You should have done this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAg1psChiHc

Toto Wolfcastle · 04-04-2014 10:00AM

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Parents fault. That's it really.

Absolutely. And you know there's a problem when there are ads on the TV telling parents to say no to junk food in the supermarket so that they don't have to say no at home. That should be basic parenting.

I know someone whose 4 year old is overweight. She was getting some help with his diet and was asked to keep a food diary. She continued to give him chocolate (big share packs of Buttons) and other junk and then lied in the diary about what he had eaten. Tbh some people can't be helped. That child has no chance, not until he can make food decisions for himself anyway.

mickydoomsux · 04-04-2014 10:08AM

I'm thirty one and when I was in school, even in secondary and third level, there were maybe only 2 or 3 token fat people there.

I work in public transport now so I see a lot of people every day. We have a huge problem with obesity in this country both with adults and children. Every second person is overweight.

I believe it's a symptom of the economic boom. People got spoiled and excess in all things became the norm. Kids are given junk food and soft drinks to shut them up as a replacement for parenting by "busy" mothers and fathers.

I see peoples trolleys in supermarkets and it's all unhealthy convienience ****e that saves maybe ten minutes in meal prep time. I know a girl who owns/works in a chipper and she says that a number of people buy their dinner there everyday.

And don't get me started on our drinking in relation to our weight. Guys and girls in their mid twenties aren't supposed to have beer bellies already.

GenieOz · 04-04-2014 10:10AM

Bobblehead Panda wrote: »

Absolutely. And you know there's a problem when there are ads on the TV telling parents to say no to junk food in the supermarket so that they don't have to say no at home. That should be basic parenting.

I know someone whose 4 year old is overweight. She was getting some help with his diet and was asked to keep a food diary. She continued to give him chocolate (big share packs of Buttons) and other junk and then lied in the diary about what he had eaten. Tbh some people can't be helped. That child has no chance, not until he can make food decisions for himself anyway.

She gave a 4 year old a share packet of buttons!? :eek:

That should be classed as child neglect, what a dope. Child will most certainly grow up with massive weight issues.

Babooshka · 04-04-2014 10:22AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I'm thirty one and when I was in school, even in secondary and third level, there were maybe only 2 or 3 token fat people there.

I work in public transport now so I see a lot of people every day. We have a huge problem with obesity in this country both with adults and children. Every second person is overweight.

I believe it's a symptom of the economic boom. People got spoiled and excess in all things became the norm. Kids are given junk food and soft drinks to shut them up as a replacement for parenting by "busy" mothers and fathers.

I see peoples trolleys in supermarkets and it's all unhealthy convienience ****e that saves maybe ten minutes in meal prep time. I know a girl who owns/works in a chipper and she says that a number of people buy their dinner there everyday.

And don't get me started on our drinking in relation to our weight. Guys and girls in their mid twenties aren't supposed to have beer bellies already.

I agree with the food bit to an extent. But also it is a two part problem... I am 40 and remember the amount of junk I went through as a kid and was still thin as a rasher. My mother wouldn't even know about it, it wasn't her doing, kids have ways of getting their hands on sweets even without their parents feeding them it, and sugar is an addictive substance especially to kids. At home we weren't fed on quinoa and goji berries, it was the 70's / 80's, we were fed chips and fish fingers, spuds, meat and veg as most were. But no one was obese because we were thrown out to play and told not to come back until tea time and the house was cleaned, we weren't allowed back in unless is was raining cats and dogs, we were sent everywhere by foot / bus, we weren't chauffeured everywhere and we were hardier than kids now, cos our every little wish wasn't pandered to.

Sweets were a weekend treat in the home (as I say we had our ways outside with charming grandparents etc but it wasn't a given) and we ran around like mad things, playing out was the business, from roller skates to scooters to piggy and kick the can, being out was the norm. Now people are paranoid to let their kids out of their range of view and they don't have the freedom we did. It's how it has gone, and leads to fat kids as a result. Not saying it's right or wrong, just a thing. Shame too, running around playing was just so much fun, and I think kids are also severely lacking in imagination these days too cos they don't have to make their own fun any more either, it's all on their tablet for them....:(

jane82 · 04-04-2014 10:26AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

And don't get me started on our drinking in relation to our weight. Guys and girls in their mid twenties aren't supposed to have beer bellies already.

Beer bellies arnt caused by beer would you believe. Its why some alcos are fat and some skinny. Theres a bit of science study on it. Crisps and chippers and scampi fries that you eat in the pub causes it and people then blame the beer.

We have a BIG problem!

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