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Holy Grail has been found

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭Joeseph Balls


    I thought the Templar Knights were the last ones who knew were it was. When the Pope ordered them murdered, it wasn't retrieved, thus its wereabouts going to the grave with them (if it existed).
    How do they link in with that queen or church? Bet its all bull****.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭RahenyD5


    Isn't the Holy Grail hidden somewhere under the Louvre in Paris?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    RahenyD5 wrote: »
    Isn't the Holy Grail hidden somewhere under the Louvre in Paris?
    I'd say the holy grail went back on the shelf of the restaurant Jesus and the lads had their famous supper at. Then decades later someone picked up a cup and sold it to a foolish Christian on pilgrimage saying it was the holy grail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    The Nazis are gonna be pi55ed.

    Saw this recently, the Nazis always come back for their treasure



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,360 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    Thats not the cup of a carpenter anyway :o


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  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Has anyone read/listened to the audibook of Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth? Whether it is real or not, the Jesus in that is bad ass.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    Err that's a bit elaborate for a carpenter to have had.

    He had sky tv and an iphone too. It's a disgrace Joe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 old deere


    wouldn't have anything to do with tomorrow being the 1st of April ?:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    old deere wrote: »
    wouldn't have anything to do with tomorrow being the 1st of April ?:D:D

    Damn. I'd forgotten. No doubt, it'll be hilarious. Oh, the japes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Knasher wrote: »
    As far as I know, there are no contemporary Roman records recording the birth or death of Jesus. The earliest reference comes from Josephus, however that text is considered to be a partial forgery from the forth century (though nobody knows which part are forgeries). Also I've heard that the Bethlehem part was a rather late addition, being completely absent from Mark, which was the earliest gospel.

    Not that it matters much, but I think certain is a bit of a stretch.

    Most scholars accept there is some interpolation in Josephus, - he was the Messiah - but most think the rest of the paragraph is true. The Bethlehem thing is made up, its there because the Messiah had to be born in Bethlehem. Even Christopher Hitchens realised that this lie hid the larger truth. If Jesus never existed he could have been born and raised in Bethlehem. If he did exist you could lie about a census which took him to Bethlehem, as a kid, not not about where he mostly lived.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 393 ✭✭squirrelohara


    And above this story was: "how stains can boost your love life".
    Maybe if they're all over her face BOOM!!! Ha haha ha....


  • Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    old deere wrote: »
    wouldn't have anything to do with tomorrow being the 1st of April ?:D:D

    wouldnt running the story tommorow make more sense if it were an April fool joke tho...:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    Sure he did, them Romans were pretty good at keeping records.

    Son of God, coming back from the dead etc., that's open to interpretation, but the son of a carpenter, born in Bethlehem and crucified, that's. Pretty certain.

    Nope no roman records, the closest record is from josephus who wrote it 70 years after Jesus died or didnt.
    Funny that the catholic church probably burnt more information on this guy but well thats why we have no records. Great bunch of lads!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    Sure he did, them Romans were pretty good at keeping records.

    Son of God, coming back from the dead etc., that's open to interpretation, but the son of a carpenter, born in Bethlehem and crucified, that's. Pretty certain.

    The story of his birth is a total fabrication. Who knows what else is, regarding his life?



    Here is a really good video discussing the birth story.

    The Unreliable Birth Story of Jesus: http://youtu.be/oli0DTmPmGU


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    The story of his birth is a total fabrication. Who knows what else is, regarding his life?

    Probably the resurrection?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Sure he did, them Romans were pretty good at keeping records.

    Son of God, coming back from the dead etc., that's open to interpretation, but the son of a carpenter, born in Bethlehem and crucified, that's. Pretty certain.


    There is supposedly only one reference to a Jesus and he was crucified without ceremony. For the most part in Jerusalem at the time period, crusifiction was merely being tied to a tree and guarded until mid afternoon.

    Some died in that time, many were cut down by their friends and revived. Those that died would have been thrown on the municipal dump to rot and eaten by carrion.

    The Bible and the later Quran stories are based on several different people who lived spanning some 300 years and collected into one character, that one character did not exist.

    The character in question is from the Jewish Torah which foretells of devine being and describes him in great detail and ascribes what we call miracles to him.

    The prize of becoming the King Of The Jews was very attractive, and many, many suitors vied for the position, many had great magic and there was often street magic battles and the crowd would follow the one who won.

    Great multitudes would be following various individuals from time to time, none succeed in being accepted by the Jews as the genuine article. Later the idea of Christ the God On Earth was coined as a political weapon against the Great Roman Empire and was ultimately instrumental in its downfall.

    The concept has been rebranded a few times every few hundred years as the followers offer fabulous riches and recognition.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Molester Stallone


    Ye olde Dynamo v Keith Barry type magic shows?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Lone Stone


    If i drink from it do i become jesus ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    Morning Saviour


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Did anyone tell the Monty Python gang?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Sure he did, them Romans were pretty good at keeping records.

    Son of God, coming back from the dead etc., that's open to interpretation, but the son of a carpenter, born in Bethlehem and crucified, that's. Pretty certain.

    I was of the impression there are no contemporary writings about jebus? Everything about the man was written years after his supposed death.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 rupert999


    april fools no?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Now if only someone would find the holy foreskin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Did they find it in Harrison Ford's house?

    I'm pretty sure I saw a documentary that he'd bought it off some auld lad once.

    Harrison Ford was also a carpenter.

    Harrison Ford's son is Jesus

    Harrison Ford drank from the cup, so he's eternal.

    Harrison Ford is God.

    INCEPTION

    Anybody would like offer to donations to my cult?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Adamantium wrote: »
    Anybody would like offer to donations to my cult?

    I bought the box set. THat count? :pac::pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    I bought the box set. THat count? :pac::pac:

    Was it the trilogy? Good.

    If not.....

    Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is one of the forbidden scriptures, douse it in petrol, set it alight and watch The Phantom Menace as a penance.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    For the most part in Jerusalem at the time period, crusifiction was merely being tied to a tree and guarded until mid afternoon.
    Wut? I'd love to see a respectable link that backs that up.
    The Bible and the later Quran stories are based on several different people who lived spanning some 300 years and collected into one character, that one character did not exist.
    Whatever about the fanciful miracles and all that, we don't have to look to Josephus as do have the letters of Paul for example where he discusses theology with men who actually knew this character when he was alive. So it's a fairly solid history for a minor character of that time. Someone with his name was an itinerant Jewish preacher who gathered enough followers for it to spread and a fair smattering of luck made it grow in the wider Greek and Roman world.

    The Quran stories pretty much repeat the general gist of the narrative, removing the crucifixion at the end. Interestingly, though more would be absolutely sure Mohammed was an historical character, we actually have far less of a paper trail, or indeed human connection to him. Which is odder, because he's described as a martial and political figure as well as a religious one who battled with various tribes and butted up against the Byzantines, yet their records remain strangely silent on the matter. Mecca supposedly the biggest trading town in the region doesn't figure on any maps of the time either(and it's far off the trade routes).
    Later the idea of Christ the God On Earth was coined as a political weapon against the Great Roman Empire and was ultimately instrumental in its downfall.
    If anything christianity was used as a political weapon by the Roman elite for the Roman empire. As for playing a part in it's downfall, one could argue it kept it going for longer. Indeed the Eastern Roman empire lasted as the Byzantines until the 15th century. Actually one could argue that Roman Christianity reigned as a secondary European empire until the Reformation.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Now if only someone would find the holy foreskin.

    Banned EXCOMMUNICATED


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    the 'holy grail' is probably an ordinary looking clay goblet. There probably never was a last supper in the context of the Bible.


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