Ku Klux Klan

Gummy Panda · 30-03-2014 03:48PM

What spec is the wizard and how much deeps does he do?

steddyeddy · 30-03-2014 03:52PM

Ignoring the fact that there’s no such thing as race (in scientific terms) there are several holes in the KKK’s philosophy. First point is they accept Spanish and Italians. How can they do that if both peoples arose from an invasion from North African?

My favourite plot hole is that fact that most if not all of the people from the southern states of America have an African ancestor in the last few centuries. This was confirmed by the geneticist Brian Sykes who found that most people in the south had at least one black ancestor. He concluded that under the “One drop rule” (i.e.a person with one drop of African blood) most of the south is black. He later took great pleasure in telling members of the KKK in the south that they were black and should be disbarred from being members.

The other problem I have with the KKK is they preach that whites are some sort of pure race. White people are a mixture of Cro-Magnon peoples Neanderthals and maybe some Homo erectus or Denisnovan peoples. The same goes for Asians. Genetically speaking the African peoples are the purest peoples.

Irish Guitarist · 30-03-2014 03:58PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A fascinating organisation to study, especially their foundation after the civil war, and the fact that the group was hijacked by filthy racists in the 20th century.

They formed because they opposed the abholition of slavery and wanted to keep black people in their place. They hardly needed to be 'hijacked' by racists. Their sole purpose is and always has been racism.

The second incarnation in the 1920s was more dangerous because they were more organised and had a lot more members, not because they had different beliefs than the first incarnation. At their peak they had about six million members.

If you think their beliefs are any different now then it just means their public relations are working on you.

Having said that I have to admit I always liked the names they give themselves like 'Exalted Cylops', 'Grand Dragon' and 'Imperial Wizard'. It sounds like something from Lord Of The Rings.

If a shiite muslim were allowed to join would he then be called a sheet muslim?

jimboblep · 30-03-2014 04:28PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Any person or group who 'promotes' the racial 'purity' of any race is racist I'm afraid. How exactly does one 'promote' such a thing? I assume mixed ethnicity relationships/marriages are viewed as a hinderance to the goal of 'racial purity'? Disgusting people who epitomise backward ignorance and stupidity.

Thats not my point what I was responding to was that the promotion of a particular race is racist, its not,if it was things like affirmative action are inherently racist
I have no problem with people being able to be proud of being any race and being proud of the fact.
Its all contextual of course but promotion can be a positive thing if done right

Mike747 · 30-03-2014 04:32PM

jimboblep wrote: »

Is it only racism if you promote the white race? Or is it ok to promote other races

Discriminating against somone or a group based solely on theyre race is racist

There is absolutely no problem with taking pride in the white race. I'm tired of all the white guilt bs. Were whites the only group to practice slavery? Are we really responsible for all the problems in world? Read some feminist/liberal blogs; they believe every white person (or more often, white men) to be extraordinarily powerful and wealthy, who wake up every morning wondering how they can put down coloured people.

The funny thing their ramblings only serve to swell the ranks of the far right.

wazky · 30-03-2014 04:34PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Like the orange clan up the road?

Shockingly, they both have strong links going back to the 19th Century when many KKK clans drew influence from what the OO was at.

Mike747 · 30-03-2014 04:38PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The national directer of the KKK (Imperial Wizard) met with the leader of the NCAAP recently. Apparently they found common ground, the modern Klan respect different cultures and want to coexist, they want people to be proud of being Caucasian (every European from the swarthy Spaniards and Italians to the pale British and Irish) and strongly discourage race mixing.

I remember in 08 they endorsed Obama for the Dem candidacy over Hilary, a woman in the White House was more of a threat than a black man. :pac:

A fascinating organisation to study, especially their foundation after the civil war, and the fact that the group was hijacked by filthy racists in the 20th century.

Reminds me of the American Nazi Party and the Nation of Islam meeting during the 60s. They both had the same agenda; the separation of the races and a mutual dislike of the Jews.

http://i.imgur.com/UWrri.jpg

Killer Wench · 30-03-2014 04:38PM

As another member mentioned above, there isn't one large Klan structure. The Klan is fractured into different entities, with different leaders and headquarters. When I lived in Illinois, I wasn't too far from one of the national headquarters set up in Indiana. There is a lot of controversy surrounding the Confederate Flag, but if you come from the Midwest or North, you knew that a Confederate Flag on a pickup truck signified that the driver was affiliated with the Klan.

Ann Landers · 30-03-2014 04:38PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A fascinating organisation to study, especially their foundation after the civil war, and the fact that the group was hijacked by filthy racists in the 20th century.

It was always about white supremacy, right from the start.

Killer Wench · 30-03-2014 04:42PM

I have visited the birthplace of the Klan. It began in a small-town in Tennessee, right after the Civil War. Confederate soldiers hated the fact that they lost and Blacks were gaining political and social ground during the Reconstruction Era. They dressed up as ghosts of fallen soldiers and haunted Black families in the area.

Back in the early 1900s, the Klan was a recognized student fraternity on a few college campuses. My own university had a Klan fraternity that had its own frat house and they sponsored spring Minstrel Shows.

Ann Landers · 30-03-2014 04:44PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It's not a big redneck thing in America anymore though, listen to the likes of David Duke speak. They don't wear the sheets and funny hats anymore and they don't burn crosses, any affiliate that engages in this activity is thrown out, that's why you still have these extremist lynch mob groups in the southern States.

The modern Klan is trying to drag itself into the 21st century.

David Duke is a hateful character. Can't believe he's who you are trying to push as the acceptable face of the KKK.

dodderangler · 30-03-2014 04:46PM

The KKK
A great bunch of lads

WilyCoyote · 30-03-2014 04:50PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

As another member mentioned above, there isn't one large Klan structure. The Klan is fractured into different entities, with different leaders and headquarters. When I lived in Illinois, I wasn't too far from one of the national headquarters set up in Indiana. There is a lot of controversy surrounding the Confederate Flag, but if you come from the Midwest or North, you knew that a Confederate Flag on a pickup truck signified that the driver was affiliated with the Klan.

Jesus I hope not Killer Wench! Most of the trucks driven by rednecks (maybe 10%) around here sprout Confederate flags.

Karl Stein · 30-03-2014 05:09PM

The KKK manifesto here

Killer Wench · 30-03-2014 05:11PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Jesus I hope not Killer Wench! Most of the trucks driven by rednecks (maybe 10%) around here sprout Confederate flags.

Geography matters. Descendants of Confederate soldiers are scattered across the country, but people in the South hold a different view of the Confederate Battle Flag than people in the North. For those with the stickers on their car living in the North, it signified an ideology where as those in the South argued that it was about heritage.

Personally, I don't know why people want to claim that particular heritage. It's an outright acknowledgment that your ancestors were traitors to the United States of America.

mikemac1 · 30-03-2014 05:11PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

There is a lot of controversy surrounding the Confederate Flag, but if you come from the Midwest or North, you knew that a Confederate Flag on a pickup truck signified that the driver was affiliated with the Klan.

Jaysus, someone better tell the Cork GAA supporters

They use the Empire of Japan flag too

LostinKildare · 30-03-2014 05:14PM

OP you are wrong on so many levels.
Other posters have pointed out that the endorsement of Obama story is false --- based on a satire that some people believed(!).

And this:

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A fascinating organisation to study, especially their foundation after the civil war, and the fact that the group was hijacked by filthy racists in the 20th century.

Uh, the KKK was founded by filthy racists --- Confederates who couldn't accept the loss of the war and terrorized the South during Reconstruction, burning out and murdering freed blacks and white Northern "carpetbaggers" who were trying to enforce the new order. Filthy racism is the KKK's raison d'etre.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The national directer of the KKK (Imperial Wizard) met with the leader of the NCAAP recently.

There is no national director of the KKK. There is no national organization; there are about 30 separate groups (with different names) across the US. There was an ill-judged meeting between a representative of the NAACP chapter and an "organizer" from Montana for one of those disparate KKK groups, the United Klans of America, John Abarr. Formerly, Abarr was the campaign manager of a failed congressional run by a white separatist who had proposed a Constitutional amendment to deport all non-white people from the US and reserve US citizenship to whites only.

Abarr's group, the United Klans of America, used to be one of the largest Klan groups until it was bankrupted by a civil judgement that it was responsible for the 1981 lynching murder of Michael Donald, a 19-year-old black kid who happened to be walking along the side of the road in Alabama. The group was also responsible for the notorious bombing of a church in Birmingham that killed 4 little girls at Sunday school, and the murder of Viola Liuzzo, a white civil rights worker.

There's an article about the meeting here:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-09-05/news/sns-rt-us-usa-klan-wyoming-20130905_1_john-abarr-naacp-leader-casper-star-tribune

At the meeting, Abarr, asked what he liked about being in the Klan, said:
"I like it because you wear robes, and get out and light crosses, and have secret handshakes. I like being in the Klan - I sort of like it that people think I'm some sort of outlaw."

Which contradicts this:

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It's not a big redneck thing in America anymore though, listen to the likes of David Duke speak. They don't wear the sheets and funny hats anymore and they don't burn crosses, any affiliate that engages in this activity is thrown out, that's why you still have these extremist lynch mob groups in the southern States.

Yes they do! Of course they do, they love that ****! Just type KKK into the search bar at YouTube and view loads of videos of RECENT meetings, rallys, and cross burnings in full regalia. And as explained above, there is no main, central KKK organization to be thrown out of. There are no "affiliates" or

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Their biggest problem is renegade chapters using their name for criminality and racial attacks.

The King of Moo · 30-03-2014 05:15PM

It's about time someone decided to promote the white race. You never heat anything about them anymore.
Maybe it'll encourage other races to become white.
Clever bunch, clearly, the KKK.

Stavros Murphy · 30-03-2014 05:17PM

Is there an Irish Chapter of the KKK? Sounds like somthing you might find down a boreen in deepest Wexford, or up the side of a hill in Louth. Be a bitch keeping the sheets clean in all the muck tho. And the constant rain might make burning crosses a bit of a lottery.

wazky · 30-03-2014 05:17PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Is there an Irish Chapter of the KKK? Sounds like somthing you might find down a boreen in deepest Wexford, or up the side of a hill in Louth. Be a bitch keeping the sheets clean in all the muck tho. And the constant rain might make burning crosses a bit of a lottery.

Go a little further north..

Stavros Murphy · 30-03-2014 05:22PM

wazky wrote: »

Go a little further north..

Ah, sure if you go far enough north you find Dragons and all sorts. I wanted to know if any "normal" Paddies pranced around in sheets setting some 4*3s on fire outside the new Locums house.

Sir Osis of Liver. · 30-03-2014 05:26PM

Now i don't think im racist but....

is it just me that thinks all members of the ku klux klan look alike?

And why the fcuk do they dress like Muslim women?

Wibbs · 30-03-2014 05:33PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The other problem I have with the KKK is they preach that whites are some sort of pure race. White people are a mixture of Cro-Magnon peoples Neanderthals and maybe some Homo erectus or Denisnovan peoples. The same goes for Asians. Genetically speaking the African peoples are the purest peoples.

Well... they were likely getting it on with their local version of our human cousins too. Some populations have all sorts of odd genes goin on. Most diverse bunch of folks on the planet. IIRC Europeans are the least diverse and most related to one another.

Basically we humans will shag anyone and it seems our earlier cousins were the same. Humans, horny buggers with hard ons and wide ons conquered the world.

"Racial" mixing? We wouldn't be who we are without it.

Now would I shag a Neandertal? I dunno, I doubt I'd have survived the experience. Meaty lasses they were. Plus maybe I'd not get her juices flowin being all skinny and such and since I've only passed through Leitrim at speed I've missed my chance... Maybe they were more attractive to the ladies? Good hunters and well no one is gonna screw with your shít with one of them as a boyfriend.

sopretty · 30-03-2014 05:48PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The national directer of the KKK (Imperial Wizard) met with the leader of the NCAAP recently. Apparently they found common ground, the modern Klan respect different cultures and want to coexist, they want people to be proud of being Caucasian (every European from the swarthy Spaniards and Italians to the pale British and Irish) and strongly discourage race mixing.

I remember in 08 they endorsed Obama for the Dem candidacy over Hilary, a woman in the White House was more of a threat than a black man. :pac:

A fascinating organisation to study, especially their foundation after the civil war, and the fact that the group was hijacked by filthy racists in the 20th century.

They are a group of pathetic, feeble cowards. They are intimidated by other races and have no other way of competing with them than violence and aggression and hatred.
My mixed race daughter would buy and sell them.
Sad auld b*******s
:cool:

Killer Wench · 30-03-2014 05:48PM

The KKK has targeted Black Americans (aka African Americans). Other than having some of my ancestors originating from Africa, why are Africans and their purity part of this discussion?

Black Americans are descendants of African slaves plus Europeans and Native Americans who had interracial relationships with enslaved people. We, the historical target of the Klan, aren't a "pure" people. On average, Black individuals are 1/8th White which is the equivalent of having one full-blood White great-grandparent.

wp_rathead · 30-03-2014 06:03PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Is there an Irish Chapter of the KKK? Sounds like somthing you might find down a boreen in deepest Wexford, or up the side of a hill in Louth. Be a bitch keeping the sheets clean in all the muck tho. And the constant rain might make burning crosses a bit of a lottery.

not sure of links to the Klan - but certainly number of White Supremacy groups around Ireland (althought their membership is thankfully very low)

The KKK promotes being W.A.S.P (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) in America so more likely to find links in N.I.

Kiwi in IE · 30-03-2014 06:05PM

When someone claims to be of 'pure race' I immediately get a picture in my head of missing teeth, overalls and scenes from 'Deliverance'. Either that or late 30's/early 40's Germany. Either way it is not a good picture.

steddyeddy · 30-03-2014 06:12PM

Define the concentration of melanin necessary to be classed as a white or black man. I'm sorry to bring it up but listen to some of you. This race crap is all unscientific bulls#t.

whupdedo · 30-03-2014 06:23PM

It must cost a fortune in daz to keep their sheets whiter than white

poundapunnet · 30-03-2014 06:31PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Define the concentration of melanin necessary to be classed as a white or black man. I'm sorry to bring it up but listen to some of you. This race crap is all unscientific bulls#t.

It seems to be all a bit one way doesn't it. Barack Obama, whose mother is white, is seen as the first black president of the US. Bob Marley, whose father was white, has spoken of the hassle he got growing up in Jamaica and not being black, but ask 100 white people what race he is.

That's where all the 'white pride' and racial purity stuff falls down and exposes itself for racism; it's only the white race that can be contaminated most of the time. That's not to say that there's not terrible racists arguing for maintaining the purity of the black race too, but there does seem to be far fewer and they tend do a bit less pussyfooting around what they think of other races, especially Caucasians.

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