Why do certain people dislike the jews?

mrcheez · 29-03-2014 09:34AM

Bowlardo wrote: »

Why do certain people dislike the jews?
Did they ever do anything wrong to anyone?
Why is there this automatic disliking for them?
Israel was a designated land area for them but why are people not found of them?
This is a genuine question...personally i admire the ability to endure but can't understand what specifically they did wrong that they are disliked...
Mod please don't **** this down as i am hoping for some insight

Historically-speaking it comes down to religion mostly.

Hated because they "killed our Lord" (not my lord mind), but mainly because they were allowed to continue with usury (giving out loans with high interest... a lot like the pay-day loan companies that get advertised on UK TV every 5 minutes) when it was banned for Christians.

So *some* Jewish people got very rich... and the people they loaned to got poorer (which included powerful princes who had the power to banish them from their lands)

*Recall Shylock demanding his pound of flesh because he wasn't getting paid back... that was the sort of stereotype in Shakespeare's day*

They're also regarded with suspicion due to being a somewhat "closed" society traditionally.

miss no stars · 29-03-2014 10:13AM

I think one of the big things going against them these days is Israel and their treatment of Palestine. I'm against the persecution of people. I don't care what colour or creed they are, or the colour or creed of their persecutors. It's wrong. Israel is persecuting Palestine. I have no time for those who think what Israel has done is right. I think both countries have a fundamental right to exist and I think the WWII allies have a lot to answer for in respect of how they carved up Palestine to create patchwork Israel and Palestine. But that doesn't excuse Israel's expansionist and aggressive policies.

However, I am perfectly able to distinguish between individual Jewish people from wherever around the world (be it Dublin, London, the USA or Israel) and the politics of Israel. I've worked for Jewish people in the USA for 6 months, lived with them, socialized with them (it was a largely, although not officially, Jewish summer camp I worked at twice) and I found them to be among the most honest, hard working decent people I've met. And one or two were intolerable but that's life! So certain people hate Jewish people because they're bigots, basically. On a lighter note, I'm sure Alan Shatter doesn't help their cause! Others hate Israel because they hate what they see being done to Palestine. Others hate Jewish people because they can't distinguish between the individual and the state of Israel.

29-03-2014 10:21AM

Wulfie wrote: »

Bob Dylan an Woody Allen are enough of a reason for me to dislike the lot of them.
Oh and if they weren't so easy to coerce into doing Nazi bidding, the killing machine might not have been so effective. Only a few German troops were needed to run the camps , the policing and herding was carried out by the better fed Jewish inmates.

I think we might have reached the zenith of victim-blaming with this one.

Chazz Michael Michaels · 29-03-2014 10:27AM

mrcheez wrote: »

Historically-speaking it comes down to religion mostly.

Hated because they "killed our Lord" (not my lord mind), but mainly because they were allowed to continue with usury (giving out loans with high interest... a lot like the pay-day loan companies that get advertised on UK TV every 5 minutes) when it was banned for Christians.

So *some* Jewish people got very rich... and the people they loaned to got poorer (which included powerful princes who had the power to banish them from their lands)

*Recall Shylock demanding his pound of flesh because he wasn't getting paid back... that was the sort of stereotype in Shakespeare's day*

They're also regarded with suspicion due to being a somewhat "closed" society traditionally.

It was also reinforced by all guilds (like early unions) being Christian only, thus excluding Jews in Europe from trades like masonry, carpentry, etc. This left only non guild trades like finance, law, etc for them to occupy. Morons would have you believe they chose these professions as a tradition of their "jewiness" or something.

The Backwards Man · 29-03-2014 10:34AM

Why do some people hate people of a different gender, people of a different race, people of a different nationality, people of a different sexual orientation, people of a different religion, fat people, skinny people, disabled people, intellectual people, poor people, rich people, famous people, infamous people?

Some people like to hate, and it's much easier to hate when you can see what you want to hate in front of you.

Grayson · 29-03-2014 10:40AM

Candie wrote: »

I think we might have reached the zenith of victim-blaming with this one.

It's a valid point. In the trail of Eichmann Hannah Arendt (a jew) made the same comment. She got slated for it, but it is worth noting.

The main gist that Eichmann said was that millions of Jews were killed but that the whole thing was organised by a few people. They went to the ghettos and got the Jews to organise themselves. When the trains to the death camps started, the jews were incredibly well organised. They had already made up transportation lists etc. The jewish leadership believe that the population was to be sent east, they had no idea of the "final Solution". However even in the later stages when information was sent back to the ghettos, people wilfully ignored it. They couldn't fathom the sheer scope of what was happening.

It's not the same as saying the Jews were responsible for the holocaust. It's more a lesson in human nature. The way we as people can be so wilfully blind to facts.

The figures for survival were very stark. i can't remember it exactly but something like 90% of those who resisted or fled managed to survive. Whereas 90% of those who complied were killed.

As to why Jews are hated, it originated with jesus, but that was just an excuse. After the jews fled Israel most took up trades that allowed them to travel. this included being jewellers, craftsmen, scribes etc... they were generally more educated than the general populace and were the target of jealously. Overtime myths and stories such as blood libel were used to justify that baser actions of ignorant people.

LorMal · 29-03-2014 11:08AM

GenieOz wrote: »

Famine denier eh?

Are they very transparent tights?

MRnotlob606 · 29-03-2014 11:12AM

envy I guess

y0ssar1an22 · 29-03-2014 11:54AM

I am also not very informed on this topic but from what you pick up in the media I know a little bit. There seems to have been a war between Israel and Palestine going on for yonks over land.
So who owned the land 1st, and who invaded who?

Grayson · 29-03-2014 11:59AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

I am also not very informed on this topic but from what you pick up in the media I know a little bit. There seems to have been a war between Israel and Palestine going on for yonks over land.
So who owned the land 1st, and who invaded who?

Rumour has it that this guy started it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

UCDVet · 29-03-2014 12:01PM

Maybe it's just me....but I'm a racist. It's not that I think one race is inferior or anything, it's just that (for a lot of reasons) there are lots of measurable differences between races in lots of places on Earth, right now. So, if I live in country A, and in country A there is a serious, measurable difference between the crime rate of ethnic group B and ethnic group C - well.....I think crime is bad - so if ethnic group B commits violent crime at a rate that is five times higher than group C - well, you know what?

I don't like B's.

I don't want to live around Bs. And while I can acknowledge that there is a difference between any one individual and the group as a whole - would you apply that logic to anything else? 'Well Sir, would you like the guitar from Factory A that has a one in five failure rate, or the guitar from Factory B that has a one in ten failure rate? But keep in mind, that any individual guitar is not necessarily going to fail or not fail....' Well duh - that's how statistics work. Still, I'd rather have the guitar from Factory B because it has a lower failure rate.

So, by most standards, I'm a racist. But, I think people who refuse to acknowledge the current state of the world are willfully ignorant, so fair play to us all.

The thing is, there are lots of races/groups that in some country, are pretty crappy compared to other races in that same country. But Jews? I don't get it. Maybe it's just where I've lived, but Jews have always had high levels of educational attainment, employment rates, income levels, and very low crime rates, etc, etc.

So, yeah, I really don't get the anti-jew stuff. When I look online and try to actually find out - I just get fluff like, 'Well, historically Jews were rich and successful, so everyone hated them'. I'm kind of skeptical of that, but I'm also to lazy to really spend time doing research.

// Pro Jew

dr.bollocko · 29-03-2014 12:14PM

Threads like this are like a beacon in the night for idiots to spout nonsense. So lets just let OP do some research and let these people who zoom to threads on Israel / the Jews move off somewhere else.

Why do certain people dislike the jews?

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