Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

KH25 · 28-03-2014 02:21PM

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

That press conference really worries me. It really seems like we could be stuck with man for a long while.

I don't in anyway agree with this plane plan for tomorrow, but you can see why these people feel the need to do it. It needs to be shown that a lot of the fans aren't happy, because some of the comments coming from Moyes and the club make it seem like everyone is happy with the current situation.

I doubt thats actually the case though. The Glazers want the club winning titles. Moyes wants to be a roaring success. Bobby Charlton and Fergie don't want egg on their faces.

Im sure something has been said behind closed doors and that things aren't as rosey as it appears coming from the club. Not that Moyes is up for the chop, but Im sure there are at least some corners of the club running out of patience.

newballsplease · 28-03-2014 02:22PM

A plane flying over OT tomorrow would be hugely embarassing for the club,moyes,coaches and fans.
I dont want him manager, but its not up to the fans to decide his faith. Support is needed more than ever and this would be a massive downer going into the champions lg matches.
Same goes for the banner. Leave it untill summer at least then replace it.
I can imagine the chants...
"Wheres your banner gone,where your banner gone, moyes moyes hey....."

I am pie · 28-03-2014 02:23PM

At what stage go the Glazers step in and say this guy is costing me money, my asset is at risk of depreciation?

SAF and Charlton and really the decision makers here, so they can say whatever they want, it'll take a glazer to pull the trigger.

Interesting if Ferguson backed him and the Glazers pulled the plug.

bassy · 28-03-2014 02:23PM

Seems like united didn't wanna pay the big dollars for a high profile manager,thus the got the yoda one and he's wages are probably small compared to wenger,Jose,pep.

United always try to do things the cheap way.

spiralism · 28-03-2014 02:23PM

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

That press conference really worries me. It really seems like we could be stuck with man for a long while.

I don't in anyway agree with this plane plan for tomorrow, but you can see why these people feel the need to do it. It needs to be shown that a lot of the fans aren't happy, because some of the comments coming from Moyes and the club make it seem like everyone is happy with the current situation.

This is the impression i get. The board are going to be dinosaurs and nobody's gonna budge. Moyes is going to continue running this club into the ground while Sir Bobby stands by his decision to the bitter end (ask Jack about his stubbornness and you'll see a clearer picture) and SAF bites his lip so hard that it bleeds because he's never ever going to admit he was wrong.

Protest is needed in other words and even if it takes some ****wittery like a flyover message, it might spark something. What would be interesting is if the flyover leads to disapproval from fans who side against it but Villa end up beating us.

Imo i don't think losing tomorrow would be bad for the club. It's one thing the club can pull the wool over their eyes about when we get pumped by title contenders but when average teams give us a beating is when it really comes to light how poor the man in charge is. Now im NOT saying i want us to lose, because i never do. But if we win, my reaction isn't going to be anything other than "meh, doesnt do a lot of good in the long run" and if we lose it becomes "well at least we're a step closer to a competent manager"

The_Kew_Tour · 28-03-2014 02:24PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Either the plane was flown into the press desk, or the livefeed I was reading has crashed

pmsl:pac:

irishfeen · 28-03-2014 02:27PM

KH25 wrote: »

Exactly. Nail on the head. It just comes across as a little too personal.

I think he needs to go, but I still want to see him turn it around and bring success. He comes across as a nice person and I would like to see him do well. I have nothing against him on a personal level and as a fan I don't think he has done anything (results and performances aside) to offend me enough to dislike the man. This is not like AVB at Spurs.

Aye, if it does happen it really is embarrassing for the club as a whole, no matter who our manager is this type of stuff doesn't do any good for our image.

user2011 · 28-03-2014 02:30PM

total waste of time, not sure what I was expecting from that but i thought there would of been more then 4 bits too be talked about.

xtal191 · 28-03-2014 02:31PM

Manchester United boss David Moyes on reports some fans have paid to hire a plane to fly over Old Trafford on Saturday with a banner calling for him to be sacked: "I have heard of it and what they are saying about it. People can do that. They are entitled to do that.

"But this is something which is a long journey here, this is only the start of the journey. Everywhere I go I get great support from Manchester United supporters.

"I was at a dinner last night for Darren Fletcher and there were Manchester United supporters who came up to me and said 'come on, keep going, we understand exactly the situation the club is in and team is in'. They were really supportive and every time I have been to Old Trafford they have been great."

Rayne Wooney · 28-03-2014 02:31PM

It is a worry for me that this is a long term plan the club have and that he'll get next season as well and us fans just aren't in the loop.

The only consolation is that it is a massive business and there will be fail safes in place, the limit of the decline before change needs to happen.

Lord TSC · 28-03-2014 02:35PM

Meh, what is Moyes going to say? "yeah, a group off fans want me gone, but it's ok, I will be gone soon"?

aperture_nuig · 28-03-2014 02:36PM

Headshot wrote: »

Wouldnt you love a chorus of your getting sacked in the morning

Or for a bit of gallows humour, singing this against Bayern next week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thxvGJ4tieo

TheTownie · 28-03-2014 02:37PM

Old Trafford is the key. Unless they turn against him hes safe for the time being.

Bannerman7 · 28-03-2014 02:38PM

From BBC Sport

Marouane Fellaini: FA requests 'spit' footage of Man Utd player

The Football Association has requested further TV footage to establish whether Marouane Fellaini spat at Pablo Zabaleta during the Manchester derby.

Footage on the internet showed United's Fellaini standing over Zabaleta during the 3-0 loss at Old Trafford.

The video suggested Fellaini spat at the Manchester City defender.

The FA feels there is insufficient evidence from that posting to warrant a charge and is trying to find out if there are any clearer images.

Marouane Fellaini is booked after catching Pablo Zabaleta in the face with his forearm

Should such evidence be forthcoming, the FA would then need to decide whether to charge the Manchester United midfielder.

Last week, Hull forward George Boyd was banned for three games after being found guilty of spitting at Manchester City keeper Joe Hart.

Immediately prior to the alleged spit, Fellaini caught Zabaleta in the face with his forearm. Fellaini was booked for the clash, although many observers believed the incident warranted a red card.

United went on to lose the game 3-0, with Fellaini again a peripheral figure.

Moyes has since come under huge pressure, with some fans raising enough money to have a light aircraft tow a banner over the stadium ahead of Saturday's Premier League encounter with Aston Villa bearing the words: "Wrong One: Moyes Out".

Fellaini's lack of success since his £27.5m move from Moyes's old club Everton in September is viewed as one of the major negatives in the Scot's short reign so far.

Blatter · 28-03-2014 02:39PM

Moyes' first press conference: 'I'm very fortunate I'm taking over the champions of England, so that gives me a great start, better than most would get.

Moyes a month or so into his reign: This is the squad that finished 11 points clear at the top of the league last season so I am confident in the squad," he said. "But even without additions this squad will be tough opponents for any team - they will be looking at Manchester United.

Moyes today: "Anyone who understands the game knows we have a rebuilding plan."

Mr.Micro · 28-03-2014 02:39PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

It's a plus...till you realise he got the easiest run in possible. Other teams would have loved our easy run till now.

Also, you realise there is a middle ground between Fergies success and Moyes failure? Pretty much everyone at the start of the season lowered standards to top 4 and have lowered time and again. Only so often we can lower expectations before we say enough is enough.

Fair enough, but there is no doppelgänger of Ferguson to replace Moyes, unless Ferguson takes up the mantle again? Will the United fans accept anything less than Ferguson delivered, even a middle ground while in transition? I think not.

The problem then, in getting another manager, if Moyes goes, will be limited. Who would want to take that job, with all that expectation and abuse, if it goes awry. It shows, IMO, the character of Moyes to tough it out. I appreciate the frustration but Moyes is tough. Liverpool fans wanted Rodgers out in the early stages as well.....

spiralism · 28-03-2014 02:41PM

I think this season has brought out the worst quality of the football club: stubbornness. In both the board and sections of the fanbase. If we keep that clown it's a trait we're going to be associated with forevermore in world football.

Realistically if he's still in the dugout next august, that's when talk of boycotts should begin.

TheDoc · 28-03-2014 02:42PM

Blatter wrote: »

Moyes' first press conference: 'I'm very fortunate I'm taking over the champions of England, so that gives me a great start, better than most would get.

Moyes today: "Anyone who understands the game knows we have a rebuilding plan."

In fairness, at his first press conference, I didn't expect Rio, Vidic,Evra and Carrick to be absolutley deploreable this term, Carrick to a lesser extent.

But Evra, Vidic and Ferdinand have been massive liabilities most often then not this seasn. I could understand him maybe coming into what he would feel is one of the best and most experienced defences in the league, to see it collapse in a matter of weeks into the season.

Agueroooo · 28-03-2014 02:44PM

Blatter wrote: »

Moyes today: "Anyone who understands the game knows we have a rebuilding plan."

and just to add...

'Ferguson (May 2013) :
the squad I leave behind bodes well for continued success.'

sounds like someone is well out of their depth.

KH25 · 28-03-2014 02:45PM

Blatter wrote: »

Moyes' first press conference: 'I'm very fortunate I'm taking over the champions of England, so that gives me a great start, better than most would get.

Moyes a month or so into his reign: This is the squad that finished 11 points clear at the top of the league last season so I am confident in the squad," he said. "But even without additions this squad will be tough opponents for any team - they will be looking at Manchester United.

Moyes today: "Anyone who understands the game knows we have a rebuilding plan."

Thats the part I just cannot get my head around. For the past few seasons Moyes would have looked at United and identified weaknesses for Everton to exploit. CM and LB would be the 2 main ones. Many fans have been discussing the need to address these areas for at least 2 years now. Moyes then walks into the club and fails to properly address these areas. He failed at the first hurdle.

Agueroooo · 28-03-2014 02:46PM

its happening :eek:

Timmyctc · 28-03-2014 02:46PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

and just to add...

sounds like someone is well out of their depth.

I agree Moyes is out of his depth but what else did you expect Fergie to say after retiring?

"That squad there needs a lot of investment." ?

TheDoc · 28-03-2014 02:47PM

spiralism wrote: »

I think this season has brought out the worst quality of the football club: stubbornness. In both the board and sections of the fanbase. If we keep that clown it's a trait we're going to be associated with forevermore in world football.

Realistically if he's still in the dugout next august, that's when talk of boycotts should begin.

By next August, if he is there, it is because he has turned his and the teams fortunes around and is competing, playning exciting football.

I cannot see the club leave it go past Christmas if its more of the same. To be honest might not even reach October if the start of next season is more guff and rubbish.

But I appreciate why they would think giving him another season. The summer transfer window was a total mess, and its become evident what players need to be moved on and out, so this summer gives a good platform forhim to start making the changes he needs and wants to make. But if there is no improvement after significant investment, then the pressure will REALLY be on.

It's all well and good with clubs backing managers and saying they are going to give them time, but when **** goes bad after major investment, thats when the knifes come out.

AVB got the sack only because Levy expected premier league contention after that 100m layout. They were only like 3 points of the pace or something when he was sacked in terms of the top 4.

Absolutely retarded decision imo that has thrown Totenham further back when they had taken good steps forward. And in that instance, AVB didn't even buy the players

Next season there won't be any excuses for Moyes. Granted something might happen at the WC be it injuries and loss of time working with the time, he should have ample time to prepare a strategy, a style, and start implanting that on the team with his new signings.

Literally no excuses next season, unless the squad come back crocked from the WC

prettyboy81 · 28-03-2014 02:47PM

I've picked Manu in Last Man Standing competition this week. We are into Week 9 & only 9 left, 5 of us picked Manu. Villa usually roll over at Old Trafford but who knows this season.

prettyboy81 · 28-03-2014 02:47PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

its happening :eek:

Sweet Jesus!

Blatter · 28-03-2014 02:47PM

TheDoc wrote: »

In fairness, at his first press conference, I didn't expect Rio, Vidic,Evra and Carrick to be absolutley deploreable this term, Carrick to a lesser extent.

But Evra, Vidic and Ferdinand have been massive liabilities most often then not this seasn. I could understand him maybe coming into what he would feel is one of the best and most experienced defences in the league, to see it collapse in a matter of weeks into the season.

Much like the majority of the squad throughout the season.

It's a pity they didn't have a manager to organise and motivate them. They really did deserve better.

Lord TSC · 28-03-2014 02:48PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Fair enough, but there is no doppelgänger of Ferguson to replace Moyes, unless Ferguson takes up the mantle again? Will the United fans accept anything less than Ferguson delivered, even a middle ground while in transition? I think not.

The problem then, in getting another manager, if Moyes goes, will be limited. Who would want to take that job, with all that expectation and abuse, if it goes awry. It shows, IMO, the character of Moyes to tough it out. I appreciate the frustration but Moyes is tough. Liverpool fans wanted Rodgers out in the early stages as well.....

You're completly ignoring the reasons people want Moyes gone though; not just the results but the lack of passion, the lack of tactical ability, the small-time mentality he displays time and time again.

For some reason, you're trying to make the fans out to be something they aren't; Moyes has recieved a backing from the fans that goes way beyond anything he deserves at the moment. The fans have been massively understanding in terms of lowering expectations time and time and time again, and every time we do, he fails to meet them again.

People may want Fergie again, but only those who are arguing we simply can't fire Moyes now are the ones trying to demand an instant replication of him; the ones who think we "can't be City/Chelsea" are the ones who think that Moyes deserves time simply because Fergie got it, that if given an inordinate amount of time, Moyes will come good, based on nothing but the fact Fergie did.

If Moyes showed any signs of having a plan or a clue, most would get behind him. But there's nothing there. Against City, after he spent the first 10 minutes panicing, he just sat back with his face in his hands and let the assassination occur. No plan, no passion, no ability....no hope.

Ultimately, I think the majority of managers will want the biggest job in the Premier League, especially given they'll know they are following such a poor act....

irishfeen · 28-03-2014 02:48PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

its happening :eek:

:mad: makes me exceptionally mad looking at that. Embarrassed for us as a club.... we are better then this.

KH25 · 28-03-2014 02:49PM

irishfeen wrote: »

:mad: makes me exceptionally mad looking at that. Embarrassed for us as a club.... we are better then this.

What is it? Work won't let me see the photo.

user2011 · 28-03-2014 02:49PM

Fergie talking to Ruby Walsh at Cheltenham.

:mad:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/ruby-walsh-alex-ferguson-told-me-a-number-of-his-united-players-have-to-leave-30121067.html

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