Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Pro. F · 28-03-2014 12:21PM

ricero wrote: »

His dress sense is just like his performances this year pure ****e. How did he decline so rapidly.

Moyes. I've been a critic of Carrick for years, but his performances this season do not represent his ability. He even looks like he doesn't know where he should be when defending now. That has got nothing to do with age and everything to do with team organisation.

keeponhurling · 28-03-2014 12:24PM

I like the plane idea.
There is a Chosen One banner in the stadium for every game, which now only reflects the views of a small shrinking minority of fans.

Why not show the views of the majority?
Shows they care about the club, so I would call it support.

Also, it is the Villa match which now means nothing. Victory solves nothing, defeat is normal practice now. Moyes' time has past.

They're not trying to deflect attention from the Bayern game or anything.

Lord TSC · 28-03-2014 12:26PM

I'd also point out about the plane....at least Moyes will have to address wavering fan support today at the press conference. No "The fans are great and are behind me" nonsense today. Pretty clear example they aren't fully. A banner in the stadium, if seen, wouldn't have been brought up in a press conference at all.

KH25 · 28-03-2014 12:28PM

The plane idea is dreadful. Its just so cringeworthy. It would be one thing to bring it to the stadium, but to hire a plane to fly it overhead is just something else.

Giruilla · 28-03-2014 12:31PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

It's not "from every viewpoint". Its from yours. Not mine.
I agree there's an image Man United should have, but that Moyes doesn't fit it at all.

This implies there's a binary of success and failure, when the reality is there's a spectrum. Fergie is one end. Moyes is the other. There'd be plenty of options in between who wouldn't do as well as Fergie, but wouldn't be the failure that Moyes has been this season.

As for the other topic, the one about fan support....most, but not all, pro-Moyes people I talk to still don't actually have an argument as to why Moyes should stay, but rather an argument as to why we can't sack him. Less and less people will actually quote what he personally brings to the table (give his 2 transfer windows being underwhelming, his misuse of who he has brought in, a tactical ineptitude, etc), relying instead on the type of point above; that as a club, we don't sack managers. Something we can't possibly know either given its been 25 years since we've been in this situation.

The reality is, in my opinion, that there's a huge portion of the Pro-Moyes camp support him not because of he himself, but because they don't think it's possible to differentiate between supporting the club and supporting the manager; if you do one, you've got to blindly do the other, no matter what. However, again imo, a massive part of these same fans will also change their tune the second he's fired, because once he's no longer the manager, they can differentiate, and will suddenly accept it's the right decision.

(Again, not saying all pro-Moyes fans are like that; just that every team has fans who follow blindly, and will do so until the club tells them that Moyes isn't the man for the job).

I'm not in the pro-Moyes camp. I'm just anti the club acting like Chelsea/City.

I don't know what will happen if Moyes stays.. United could have excellent success under him for years to come. Or they could get worse. I don't know, neither do you, nor do any fans.

I don't know what will happen if Moyes gets forced out through childish impatience. United could spiral out of control firing managers for seasons to come if they don't finish fourth.. never giving them a chance as a precedent has now been set. Or Untied could land an instant success manager who will appease the fans for years to come as long as he keeps winning. I don't know, nobody does.

buckfasterer · 28-03-2014 12:33PM

KH25 wrote: »

I don't see the point in that tbh. Giggs has never been a manager. Moyes has more experience than him. If he's sacked his replacement should be of the highest calibre possible. Now, Giggs as an assistant to a new manager? Maybe. But as the main man? No, not now.

Giggs might never have been a manager but to look at Moyes you wouldn't think he has been either. Jesus, I've coached under 12 teams and instilled more motivation into them than what this team has shown this season. My point being, Giggs can do no worse so there is every point in it.

beno619 · 28-03-2014 12:35PM

Giruilla wrote: »

I'm not in the pro-Moyes camp. I'm just anti the club acting like Chelsea/City.

Chelsea/City sacked managers that won the League/ FA cup / Champions league.

We would be sacking a man that brought us from 1st to 7-9th. Theres a massive difference imo and I really do wonder were Liverpool would be now if they persisted with Hodgson.

For comparison whether right or wrong Spurs sacked avb who was a few points off 4th and ahead of United at the time. Moyes has been given unbelievable leeway to f**k up this season.

Lord TSC · 28-03-2014 12:36PM

Giruilla wrote: »

I'm not in the pro-Moyes camp. I'm just anti the club acting like Chelsea/City.

In what way? Sacking managers? What about spending 200m in the summer?

And besides, Chelsea and City sack managers when they place high expectations which managers come close to. We're talking about sacking a manager who had drastically lowered expectations, and still fell short by quite a distance. Just cause Chelsea and City sacked managers for stupid reasons doesn't mean we shouldn't consider sacking Moyes at all. That's a really bad path to go down too.

I don't know what will happen if Moyes stays.. United could have excellent success under him for years to come. Or they could get worse. I don't know, neither do you, nor do any fans.

True, but there's very little there to suggest Moyes will "come good", and plenty of evidence to show he's getting worse.

I don't know what will happen if Moyes gets forced out through childish impatience. United could spiral out of control firing managers for seasons to come if they don't finish fourth.. never giving them a chance as a precedent has now been set. Or Untied could land an instant success manager who will appease the fans for years to come as long as he keeps winning. I don't know, nobody does.

If the precedent set is "We won't accept midtable mediocrity", then good. We shouldn't accept that. Moyes and any different manager should know that going in.

Deiseboy01 · 28-03-2014 12:37PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Could there be a case to say, let Moyes continue on as manager for another season and then when a better manager comes in, he can be compared more to Moyes than Ferguson. Every manager of Man Utd for the rest of its history will be compared to Ferguson but in the medium term, having a few crap years of Moyes could be good for the next manager. If a manager comes in this summer, he is still going to be Fergusons replacement. Moyes wasnt there long enough to say that he new manager is taking over from him.

That's a fcukin brilliant idea.

In the same spirit I'm off into the bosses office to **** on his sandwich, if he complains I'll just tell him I'm doing it for him so he can appreciate my replacement all the more.

TheDoc · 28-03-2014 12:37PM

Is presser today at 2pm ?

Leroy42 · 28-03-2014 12:38PM

Giruilla wrote: »

I'm not in the pro-Moyes camp. I'm just anti the club acting like Chelsea/City.

I don't know what will happen if Moyes stays.. United could have excellent success under him for years to come. Or they could get worse. I don't know, neither do you, nor do any fans.

I don't know what will happen if Moyes gets forced out through childish impatience. United could spiral out of control firing managers for seasons to come if they don't finish fourth.. never giving them a chance as a precedent has now been set. Or Untied could land an instant success manager who will appease the fans for years to come as long as he keeps winning. I don't know, nobody does.

The only thing that you can base future predictions on is past performance and on that basis there is no evidence at all that Moyes can do any better than he is.

Why do people rate Chelsea/City so badly. City were right to get rid of Hughes, but left Mancini in there too long. Do people really believe they should have stood by Mancini. Chelsea are somewhat different in that they had a perfectly good manager and let him go and basically spent the next few years regretting that mistake until they admitted it and got him back

Mr.Micro · 28-03-2014 12:41PM

KH25 wrote: »

The plane idea is dreadful. Its just so cringeworthy. It would be one thing to bring it to the stadium, but to hire a plane to fly it overhead is just something else.

Agreed, very poor taste and unacceptable. The fans will want to vote from a panel of prospective managers next to select who they want.

keeponhurling · 28-03-2014 12:44PM

If the plane idea embarrassed Moyes enough, coupled with a heavy defeat to Villa, he might resign.

That reported 800 odd quid, could save the club millions.

Wonder are the Glazers behind it?

Bannerman7 · 28-03-2014 12:48PM

Vice-chairman of the Manchester United Supporters' Trust Ian Stirling says plans by fans to hire a plane with a banner demanding David Moyes is sacked is wrong.
"I can understand their feelings, but it is not the way I would do it," Stirling tells BBC Radio 5 live. "This is part of a bigger story about the appointment of David Moyes. He was the 'chosen one' and we had Sir Alex Ferguson on the pitch at Old Trafford telling the fans to get behind him.
"The 'Chosen One' banner should not have stayed longer than the Chelsea game at the start of the season. We now have a ridiculous situation where stewards are guarding it."

Bannerman7 · 28-03-2014 12:53PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoPJGFHmPA

Marouane Fellaini spitting ?

keeponhurling · 28-03-2014 12:54PM

Bannerman7 wrote: »

"The 'Chosen One' banner should not have stayed longer than the Chelsea game at the start of the season. We now have a ridiculous situation where stewards are guarding it."

True that.

Hococop · 28-03-2014 12:55PM

that's one thing that has bugged me lately the give him time we don't want to be like Chelsea etc, so over the next few seasons we finish 6th, 5th, 6th, 5th and 5th, and he leaves people can come along and say "at least we gave him time, take that Chelsea, man city etc" they would look at us and just laugh

keeponhurling · 28-03-2014 12:58PM

Hococop wrote: »

, so over the next few seasons we finish 6th, 5th, 6th, 5th and 5th,

I appreciate your optimism, but I just can't see where this improvement is coming from.

Brien · 28-03-2014 01:02PM

I've been offered a ticket for the game in the alliance arena and for the first time ever I'm thinking of turning it down. It would be right in the middle of 19 Bayern fans and I am so pessimistic that I can't see past us getting hammered. I never took it for granted that a game in old Trafford meant a win but I never was afraid of being there (plus, my main worry, the 4 hours driving home after, with the aforementioned 19 Bayern fans). What would you guys do? Anything to see United play, or is it forgivable to say no?

MagicIRL · 28-03-2014 01:03PM

Take the ticket and go support the damn team. You can be against Moyes, but don't turn your back on the club. It's the Champions League!

jonnyfingers · 28-03-2014 01:06PM

Bannerman7 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoPJGFHmPA

Marouane Fellaini spitting ?

Looks like it. Stupid if it is, and he'll deservedly be banned.

Ernest Oreo · 28-03-2014 01:07PM

Bannerman7 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoPJGFHmPA

Marouane Fellaini spitting ?

hopefully he gets banned for the remainder of the season..

TheDoc · 28-03-2014 01:08PM

Brien wrote: »

I've been offered a ticket for the game in the alliance arena and for the first time ever I'm thinking of turning it down. It would be right in the middle of 19 Bayern fans and I am so pessimistic that I can't see past us getting hammered. I never took it for granted that a game in old Trafford meant a win but I never was afraid of being there (plus, my main worry, the 4 hours driving home after, with the aforementioned 19 Bayern fans). What would you guys do? Anything to see United play, or is it forgivable to say no?

Go to it. At the bare minimum you'll be in a state of the art stadium watching two domestic giants battle it out. Watching Bayern alone is a joy. Supporting your team adds to the occasion.

Definitly go, I'd never turn down a chance to go to the Champions league and watch the team

Eight Ball · 28-03-2014 01:12PM

Bannerman7 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hoPJGFHmPA

Marouane Fellaini spitting ?

Looks like nothing to me tbh. He spits on the ground not the player

MagicIRL · 28-03-2014 01:13PM

Gary, Phil, Nicky, Scholes and Giggsy have bought Salford FC.

Rubber_Soul · 28-03-2014 01:16PM

The idea that the owners aren't aware of fans feeling towards Moyes and need to see a banner flying over the stadium to grasp it is fairly daft tbh. Do you all imagine they live in a sealed bubble and recieve no feedback from any of their huge marketing teams?

Flying a Moyes out sign over OT is cringeworthy stuff and ultimately pointless as it can be easily dismissed as the actions of a tiny minority. A chorus of boos can't however.

Headshot · 28-03-2014 01:21PM

Wouldnt you love a chorus of your getting sacked in the morning

Mitch Connor · 28-03-2014 01:23PM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

The idea that the owners aren't aware of fans feeling towards Moyes and need to see a banner flying over the stadium to grasp it is fairly daft tbh. Do you all imagine they live in a sealed bubble and recieve no feedback from any of their huge marketing teams?

Flying a Moyes out sign over OT is cringeworthy stuff and ultimately pointless as it can be easily dismissed as the actions of a tiny minority. A chorus of boos can't however.

I think it is possible the Glazers want an excuse of 'fan pressure' to axe Moyes - and so far there has been basically none where it matters. In public, the United fans have been generally supportive of Moyes. Singing we stand by our manager and the like. I wish it wasn't a fly-by - I'd prefer it to be signs in the stadium - but at least it is something to show displeasure.

SEF said themselves they won't remove the banner as they have seen no protest agaisnt Moyes so they won't start it (which removing the banner would amount to).

Nalz · 28-03-2014 01:24PM

Headshot wrote: »

Wouldnt you love a chorus of your getting sacked in the morning

Man I love your one-liner posts!

I bet you were a wizz at those competitions " In twenty words or yes" years ago that were all the go

Hococop · 28-03-2014 01:25PM

Headshot wrote: »

Wouldnt you love a chorus of your getting sacked in the morning

not really, i want him gone but i don't want it turning into a witch hunt either, he seems like such a friendly guy but maybe thats his downfall

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