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Bad interview, terrible managerial manners

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭holystungun9


    I consider posting in AH as quite an achievement.

    Agreed. I'm so cross-eyed and in-breed that I once spent two hours trying to start the microwave with my car keys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Gmol


    I consider posting in AH as quite an achievement.
    Is it on your CV?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    bear1 wrote: »
    She then comes over to where I'm sitting (I'm extremely embarrassed at this stage) to shake my hand and once again tell me I had failed and try again next year.


    Crush that hand with the grip force of a 6'6 middle aged carpenter called Seamus from Cavan.


    oh sarry din mean ta hurt yar hand... are ya alright luv.

    Twist that sht up bear claw, go all chubacca on her ass, twist that mutha****a up like you did last summer Larry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭smileyj1987


    I had an similar experience before and I got a 20 second phone call to say no . I was tempted to ring back and say fcuk you but what's the point . Onwards and upwards .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Gmol wrote: »
    Is it on your CV?
    Don't have a CV. I've no interest in ever getting involved in any occupation that would require one.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    Corporate world HR. Jumped up little ****es who think they have a bit of power until push comes to shove and all their nicey nice policies get ****ed out the window to ensure a job gets finished.

    As a chippy once said to me about a useless cordless drill he was using "there's more power in the top of my knob"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Piliger wrote: »
    If you are that sensitive and precious I would expect that the test did it's job. You need to get to grips with facing up to reality when you meet it. You failed. Why on earth does that need to be kept a secret ? It's not medical information for goodness sakes.

    Hate to say it, but yes, this.

    OP I hope you never apply for a UK teaching job. Format is they interview everyone same day, everyone gets the tour of the school then they panel interview whilst everyone else sits in the staff room and waits (getting eyed up by the other staff) - when they are done interviewing they ask everyone if they would take the job if offered. If you say no, you get no travelling expenses and are asked to leave. Then they announce the successful candidate - they go in for a chat, but sometimes they ask the second choice to stick around. Then you get to leave shamefaced with all the other failures.

    Even worse when there is an internal candidate for the job (which usually means you ain't getting it) and people come over to wish them luck and give you the stinkeye.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    MadsL wrote: »
    Hate to say it, but yes, this.

    OP I hope you never apply for a UK teaching job. Format is they interview everyone same day, everyone gets the tour of the school then they panel interview whilst everyone else sits in the staff room and waits (getting eyed up by the other staff) - when they are done interviewing they ask everyone if they would take the job if offered. If you say no, you get no travelling expenses and are asked to leave. Then they announce the successful candidate - they go in for a chat, but sometimes they ask the second choice to stick around. Then you get to leave shamefaced with all the other failures.

    Even worse when there is an internal candidate for the job (which usually means you ain't getting it) and people come over to wish them luck and give you the stinkeye.

    In the world of real work, people are expected to stand up and take responsibility. When you do a lousy job, we call you out. No we don't humiliate you. We simply say you did a lousy job. Nothing humiliating about it. Simply the facts. Then you get on with things and get better. This is life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Piliger wrote: »
    In the world of real work, people are expected to stand up and take responsibility. When you do a lousy job, we call you out. No we don't humiliate you. We simply say you did a lousy job. Nothing humiliating about it. Simply the facts. Then you get on with things and get better. This is life.

    Hmm, you say that but the teacher interviews are a bit over the top.

    In any case in any interview I ever did I was:

    1) In a room.
    2) Not part of a group.
    3) I wasn't told about failure or success in public.

    so no, public shaming isn't normal. Nor is it in an office I have ever been in. Except one, where the boss fired contractors in an open plan office in front of everybody, but nobody liked that guy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Piliger wrote: »
    In the world of real work, people are expected to stand up and take responsibility. When you do a lousy job, we call you out. No we don't humiliate you. We simply say you did a lousy job. Nothing humiliating about it. Simply the facts. Then you get on with things and get better. This is life.

    That happen in public, or in private email or a room in your place?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭pharmaton


    I'm supposed to be getting exam results tomorrow or Friday but think I'll go 'missing' just so I don't have to deal with the barrage of 'what did you get?' ' I got x' commentary following it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    If you genuinely felt humiliated, if they have a dignity at work policy or their bullying policy. , get your hands on it and write to their Head if HR, thanking them for the oppurtunity to interview, wish them well with their chosen candidate, but point out how they made you feel. . No organisation had to right to humiliate you. She might have been a recruitment contractor, might not have even an employee.

    Wait a few weeks, and then torch the cnuts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Op should have asked her for a date. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭thegreatgonzo


    pharmaton wrote: »
    I'm supposed to be getting exam results tomorrow or Friday but think I'll go 'missing' just so I don't have to deal with the barrage of 'what did you get?' ' I got x' commentary following it.

    Good luck:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    OP,

    Sorry you had to endure such tripe. Unfortunately, this is rather common in some employment areas. Common doesn't mean right. Only way attitude will change is if you provide HR with feedback.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    MadsL wrote: »
    Hate to say it, but yes, this.

    OP I hope you never apply for a UK teaching job. Format is they interview everyone same day, everyone gets the tour of the school then they panel interview whilst everyone else sits in the staff room and waits (getting eyed up by the other staff) - when they are done interviewing they ask everyone if they would take the job if offered. If you say no, you get no travelling expenses and are asked to leave. Then they announce the successful candidate - they go in for a chat, but sometimes they ask the second choice to stick around. Then you get to leave shamefaced with all the other failures.

    Even worse when there is an internal candidate for the job (which usually means you ain't getting it) and people come over to wish them luck and give you the stinkeye.

    I am not qualified as a teacher so no I would never apply for it.
    I am qualified in logistics and marketing. I have my years of experience under my belt.
    I went for an opportunity to enhance my skills and better yet have more income.
    I have already said that I know I failed the exam (I had already gotten through 2 of the 5 stages so I was nearly half through the process) and that I was angry at myself for dropping the ball.
    Now, I was expecting some comments that I'm being stupid, naive, not being man enough etc etc, but this does not excuse nor make the matter of embarrassing a candidate a normal or acceptable thing.
    I have had many interviews, and never was I let down like this.
    Piliger wrote: »
    In the world of real work, people are expected to stand up and take responsibility. When you do a lousy job, we call you out. No we don't humiliate you. We simply say you did a lousy job. Nothing humiliating about it. Simply the facts. Then you get on with things and get better. This is life.

    I'm part of the world of REAL work as you put it.
    I have stood up and taken responsability that I didn't do well.
    Why are you saying we?
    YOU weren't there, I've explained both my faults and the faults of the recruiter. Trust me it was humiliating so you can't convince me otherwise.
    Again, I have also said that I have decided to put more dedication into my current job so that the spark comes back.
    This is my life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    That happen in public, or in private email or a room in your place?

    Working in teams, There night be only three in the room when discussing a project, or there may be fifteen. Makes no difference. There is no such thing as public. Those involved all work together, discuss together and if mistakes are made then they are often found out in front of everyone. This is the world of work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭2 stroke


    If you genuinely felt humiliated, if they have a dignity at work policy or their bullying policy. , get your hands on it and write to their Head if HR, thanking them for the oppurtunity to interview, wish them well with their chosen candidate, but point out how they made you feel. . No organisation had to right to humiliate you. She might have been a recruitment contractor, might not have even an employee.

    Wait a few weeks, and then torch the cnuts.

    I wouldn't write to the head of HR. One of the functions of HR is to keep this sort of stuff out of managements hands. I'd write to higher managment/ directors/chairman, let them know the **** job HR are doing. That woman could find out what it's like to be at the other end of the job search process.

    Ps. That company is a **** company to work for. I know a few working for them, money is good but they are never happy, always complaining about work and working condition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    OP you need to learn how to work in a group environment. What you should have done was switched your test with the person on your right and then blamed the person on your left if caught.

    edit: seriously you can greatly improve your score those multiple choice "ability" tests with a few practice runs. One of the good/bad things about the internet is that the format of every new or innovative way of interviewing people becomes widespread very quickly.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    I've done a lot of interview over the past couple of years and have to say nothing now shocks me in interviews or the follow up process.

    I'm an accountant and work for an American MNC currently. Prior to this I spent some time working abroad in a few places. About 2 years ago I went for a 3 person panel interview with a semi state body and was basically asked did I ever have to bribe people during my time abroad. I said no its unethical and I would lose my qualification. She gave it a minute then comes back with in these places its normal practice to grease the wheels with incentives etc, I said please refer to my original answer. She gives it another minute and asks so your saying you never had to bribe some one or pay them off to get things done. At that point I was fuming but firmly said no, I'm a professional person, my qualification has a code of ethics which if I break them would result in me being not allowed to practice under said qualification.
    when the interview concluded I bloody crushed her hand when I shook it. After all a frim handshake is required at all times ;)
    I didn't get the job.

    I also went for another senior role a few months after that with another MNC and interviewed with the person I would report too. I arrived on time 5 on a Friday evening and was left for 20 minutes. No thanks for your patience when called. Proceeded to do a very solid interview which took over an hour and thought I had a decent chance of getting the role. Said they would call early the following week. Sent follow up mail to thank them for the time and register my continued interest. Week went by heard nothing. Called left message, no response. Sent mail no response. Follow up call, HR manager was on maternity leave. Left message for other interviewer, no response. Mail interviewer, no response. almost two years later and still waiting on that reply!!!!

    Good job they didn't ask me to hold my breath....

    So as I say Bear, potential employers do not give a flying fiddlers about the failed candidates feelings and don't care what you think of them after it or what ye say about them. They'll have hundreds more candidates only too willing to put up with the kind of 5h1t3 they get away with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    Interviews are always a bit of a gamble
    You bet, a pane in the whole for a shotty jib.

    /burns dickshunry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Piliger wrote: »
    If you are that sensitive and precious I would expect that the test did it's job. You need to get to grips with facing up to reality when you meet it. You failed. Why on earth does that need to be kept a secret ? It's not medical information for goodness sakes.

    Here are the results of the basic compassion and human decency test:
    Everyone has passed except Piliger. Piliger has failed.

    *momentarily feigns sincerity and shakes Piliger's hand*

    Facing up to reality, as you put it, has nothing to do with thinking that sort of Kafkaesque twattery is in any way OK.


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