Inquiry set up into taping of phone calls from Garda stations

coolemon wrote: »

Id say the garda are up the Wicklow mountains or at Kilbride Camp burning Black Maria loads of tapes as we speak.

A rotten rotten state. Devs Ireland.

Think of all the Gawrda automatons who knew and know all this **** was happening all along but were such cowards that they couldn't come out with it fearing the loss of their queens shilling or the free lorry loads of alcohol from Shell.

Brave Guards?

Cowards one and all. Harassing, abusing and stitching working class people up since day dot.

I hope this whole episode is a wake up call to those blinded by the indoctrination they have received from a young age. Of the friendly community gawrd visiting the schools brainwashing young kids with their filthy rotten elite protecting state.

Many Europeans are well aware of what the police are having learned the hard way. Its written on the back walls of Greece, Italy, Spain. ACAB.

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Couldn't agree more, absolutely filthy behaviour! How can people still have faith in them as a police force?

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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No, but i do believe that our force is the exception. We are one of the very few police forces left that are not routinely armed, and our training is used in lots of other countries. I believe that this makes us unique, and one which, in my opinion, can only be understood by someone who has worked within the organisation. I do believe that this person should be promoted on merit though, and not someone who is "friends with the lads". I don't believe a civilian can understand the needs of the force, but i would be open to the possibility of an outside police member possibly getting the role, but they would want serious experience and excellent understanding of what they are taking up.

WilyCoyote wrote: »

You have got a selective view of corruption. If a garda knows of illegality within the force he should expose that or else he is complicit in the crime.
It is black and white ........ no exceptions for colleagues, family etc. That's what the law/democracy is all about.

So you have never broken the law, and if you did you immediately went to the nearest Garda station to hand yourself in?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

At this moment in time, it's the needs of civilians in relation to the force which are more important. A civilian commissioner would be more sympathetic to the civilian side of this battle, and less likely to side with people "who just made a mistake" or "had good intentions".
We need a zero tolerance attitude to wrongdoing, and that's not likely to come from someone currently within the culture which has led to this whole mess.

I understand where you're coming from, and i appreciate the position, but i personally believe that while a civilian may sort the issues you raise, it would be worse for the force in terms of policing in general. The nature of policing is not black and white, it's a hell of a lot of grey. There is no definite route to take in every action. We have the law, we attempt to enforce it to the best of our abilities all the while attempting to be mindful of the numerous acts which define what we can and cannot do. If you were to write a strict structure for each individual case, you would have a series of books larger than the entire back catalogue of the Encyclopedia Britannica. You cannot put into writing the exact way to deal with everything, and a civilian, in my opinion, cannot understand that.

Maybe the solution would be a position that is 50/50, with both a civilian and a member of AGS working together?

DamagedTrax wrote: »

because if i smoke some weed & get caught with some on me then i could easily end up with a record but if you (lets just say) were caught on record saying a female prisoner needs to be raped, or you're caught planting evidence or you hospitalise an innocent bystander at a protest (true story) you'll basically (in a criminal sense) get away with it?

If i was caught with weed, i would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and then internally prosecuted, i would lose my job and my house, and i too would have a criminal record. That female prisoner situation was exposed to be completely different to what she reported. If i was caught planting evidence or hospitalised someone, innocent or otherwise, i would be held to law like anyone else. Difference is, i wouldn't do any of those. Nor would every member i know. As i continously say, there are bad apples in every job, but the majority of us are good, honest workers. Those who are bad will eventually get caught, and i will be on the same side as the public in so far as i have to justify everything i do because of a few idiots who let the power go to their heads. To me, it's a job, and one with sever consequences should i do anything wrong, consequences which make me stay the line and do everything legally, again like every member i know.

WilyCoyote wrote: »

I'm not in the force so the above analogy does not apply. We are talking about corrupt cops. Get it?
Your colleague from Galway made a lot of stupid comments on other threads before closing his account (or being told to close it). I did not see you or some of his colleagues pulling him for his elitism, rudeness, lack of emotional intelligence and head in the sand mentality. He questioned other peoples' education standards, thought that anyone that criticised the force was somebody that failed the entrance/was lifted for driving offences/ordered to go home by an on duty cop at 4 AM outside a late night venue etc.
This is what people mean by circling the wagons. The church did it for years before eventually going under - thanks to people who spoke out. The equivalent of whistleblowers. Then these people had to take flak/derision/condemnation from that institution and it's fawning supporters/myopic believers, ending in suicides, breakdowns and a plethora of other psychological problems as the church tried every trick in the book to denigrate the victims and prop up it's corrupt foundation. Do you not see the similarities?

Merriam Webster definition of corruption: dishonest or illegal behavior especially by powerful people (such as government officials or police officers). It says especially by powerful people, but includes everyone. Corruption is corruption, whether if be for your own personal gain (or avoidance) or for someone elses. So while the current scandal is about Garda corruption, by breaking the law and not admitting it you too are corrupt, so i do believe the analagy stands. Everyone has done something corrupt at one stage or another, but Gardaí are (rightfully) held more accountable for corrupt actions.

I'm afraid i'm not aware of this colleague from Galway, perhaps you could point me towards the threads? I shall give an opinion then.

I do not, and will not, allow my colleagues to put me in a position where i can end up in trouble. The most i've seen is the wrong attitude, and i've said this to those persons. I've always been raised to treat others and i would like to be treated, and this applies even more so within AGS. We deal with the scum of society, career criminals who are flaunting the failures within the justice system. At times we can get carried away, especially in heated situations, and an "innocent" bystander may get a verbal giving out to, but usually only if they're interfering or getting in the way. It's hard enough to keep an eye on the violent person, let alone someone who is rubbernecking or recording it as close as possible to show their mates. Look on, i couldn't care less, but don't get in the way, because it can be very easy to confuse an innocent person being nosey for someone about to jump in for the criminal.

There is corruption, i've no doubt about that, and i'm not saying there isn't. But i just want to give members like me a voice. Members who are being wrongly persecuted on the actions of others who we more than likely never heard of before the media jumped on board (with the obvious exceptions of the Commissioner, but i've never even seen him in person - he's just a rank to me, i've no idea what he's like). I, and my colleagues, try to do the best we can, and it's very disheartening to be likened to the corrupt ones. I question why i still do it, and part of me says that it's because this is what i wanted, but lately the overwhelming part is because i've bills to pay, and that saddens me.

Ordinary on the beat Garda trying to intimidate and use her authority to assist in the crack down of legal political activity.

"Im just having a conversation with this man"

Such smug insincere bullying so typical of a guard.

Disgusting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAfe83dPf00

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Sounds like you have had some bad vibes from the man

are you a cop?

Want to answer the question/example posed?

What consequences are there for Gardaí who do not turn up for court and waste peoples time, falsely arrest, charge people and waste tax payers money?

Ill tell you from my experience.

NONE.

You and your colleagues are riddled with malpractice.

The pathological attempt to downplay it and cover it up on here is pathetic.

Santa Cruz wrote: »

You are such an expert you must be in court regularly enough which tells it's own story

I have been yes. For standing up for my rights. Ill PM you my details if you want. You can check that I don't have a criminal record if that is an indication of anything.

But do you care to answer the question?

What consequences are there for Gardaí who do not turn up for court and waste peoples time, falsely arrest, charge people and waste tax payers money?

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Many times and for various reasons. They proved fruitless.

Remember, you either have to be a millionaire or have nothing to take legal challenges against people or institutions in this country. If I had the money id blow it on suing the bollix out of them for their malpractice. Unfortunately I don't. And they know that and use that fact systematically against people.

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Have you taken a civil action for false arrest or complained to GSOC. If so what was the result?

How much does that cost Santa Cruz?