Inquiry set up into taping of phone calls from Garda stations

Red Pepper · 25-03-2014 10:37PM

The key question on the Daly incident is this:

In the same circumstances would the same treatment have happened to any other Government TD (e.g. Shatter)?

renegademaster · 25-03-2014 10:42PM

Red Pepper wrote: »

The key question on the Daly incident is this:

In the same circumstances would the same treatment have happened to any other Government TD (e.g. Shatter)?

sure shatter couldn't breath into the breathaliser cos of his asthma

ahahahahahaha!!

MilanPan!c · 25-03-2014 10:42PM

Red Pepper wrote: »

The key question on the Daly incident is this:

In the same circumstances would the same treatment have happened to any other Government TD (e.g. Shatter)?

I don't think that's key at all.

You assume the Guards knew who she was and were either personally attacking her or following orders. But why are you assuming that?

I'm not defending what happened, but why this bad thing happened is up for debate.

Shady Tady · 25-03-2014 10:44PM

Red Pepper wrote: »

But they failed to get a reading when they breathalyzed her?
She was stopped for doing an incorrect turn.
Can we all be arrested for suspicion of drink driving when stopped by the cops?

It's an offence to refuse or fail to give a roadside sample, so the answer is yes, she also smelt of alcohol

renegademaster · 25-03-2014 10:45PM

Shady Tady wrote: »

It's an offence to refuse or fail to give a roadside sample, so the answer is yes, she also smelt of alcohol

not unless you're alan shatter and you've got asthma and way too much power!!

Red Pepper · 25-03-2014 10:46PM

Shady Tady wrote: »

It's an offence to refuse or fail to give a roadside sample, so the answer is yes, she also smelt of alcohol

Why did she fail? She said they could not get a reading (or a reading that they wanted).

tomwaterford · 25-03-2014 10:46PM

MilanPan!c wrote: »

I don't think that's key at all.

You assume the Guards knew who she was and were either personally attacking her or following orders. But why are you assuming that?

I'm not defending what happened, but why this bad thing happened is up for debate.

it was around the time she was involved in exposing garda corruption about penalty points

then all of a sudden she was bagged I wonder why??;)

Red Pepper · 25-03-2014 10:47PM

MilanPan!c wrote: »

I don't think that's key at all.

You assume the Guards knew who she was and were either personally attacking her or following orders. But why are you assuming that?

I'm not defending what happened, but why this bad thing happened is up for debate.

I think it absolutely stinks. I was never a fan of hers until this incident but it struck me as very rotten at the time. I think she was targeted and then treated with disrespect.

epic_boner · 25-03-2014 10:48PM

Shady Tady wrote: »

It's an offence to refuse or fail to give a roadside sample, so the answer is yes, she also smelt of alcohol

that implies having any drink is an offense , she admitted having taken alcohol ,the important thing is she was well under the limit , you would think the guards are decent judges when it comes to assessing whether someone is in or around the margins , she wasn't close

at best they were incredibly disproportionate in their response , at worst they were out to stitch her up

Shady Tady · 25-03-2014 10:52PM

renegademaster wrote: »

not unless you're alan shatter and you've got asthma and way too much power!!

I'm sure there are plenty gardai who wouldn't have let him pass!

tomwaterford · 25-03-2014 10:53PM

Shady Tady wrote: »

I'm sure there are plenty gardai who wouldn't have let him pass!

im pretty sure if they didn't...they would be re-assigned:mad:

MilanPan!c · 25-03-2014 10:57PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

it was around the time she was involved in exposing garda corruption about penalty points

then all of a sudden she was bagged I wonder why??;)

You are aware of the definition of "coincidence" aren't you?

Like I said: it smell bad.

But.

Before we say it's a fact, we should verify what happened.

That's my point. We don't know.

Red Pepper · 25-03-2014 10:57PM

I am pretty sure at the time that it was reported she refused to give a sample but that was proved untrue and even the Gardaí admitted that she was cooperative and amiable throughout. She never really reacted to the smear campaign but I hope she does stick it to them in the courts when/if the investigations conclude.

25-03-2014 11:13PM

Red Pepper wrote: »

Why didn't they let her drive her car the 300m to the station? She could hardly have "escaped" and appeared in the Dail the next day.
Was she stuttering or unable to stand up that they assumed she was drunk? The handcuffing was completely OTT.

Jackasses.

Anyone that agrees with this should go and live in a police state. It is not how I want my country run.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
Guards should let suspected drunk drivers drive to the station themselves!!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

seriously people, get a grip!
theres no big conspiracy here, she was stopped for taking an illegal turn, then the guards got a smell of alcohol from her.

they suspected she may have been over the limit, she was arrested and turned out she was under the limit.
wow!!

lots of people get arrested for the same thing and released without charge.
perhaps Guards shouldnt arrest anyone for drink driving at all.

cop on with your huge conspiracies!
ordinary uniform Gardai have no authority to cancel tickets so really couldnt give a fup about officers getting in trouble for cancelling tickets!

clare daly is a member of the government, she should be glad the Gardai are out trying to keep the roads safe and not just allowing her drive off because she was a TD.

do we seriously want to go back to the times when a TD could say to a guard 'do you know who i am? do you want a transfer to ballygobackwards? off ya go there good fella'

ThisRegard · 25-03-2014 11:15PM

And it was just a coincidence that her arrest was leaked to the media?

sopretty · 25-03-2014 11:17PM

Did I hear Noonan right on Prime Time or did he say that Dept. of Justice probably didn't tell Shatter until now, as they knew the details of the specific case involved wouldn't come to light for another 10 days or so?

MilanPan!c · 25-03-2014 11:23PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

And it was just a coincidence that her arrest was leaked to the media?

Would you care if she'd broken the law?

Famous people have almost no privacy. It may not be fair, but it's true.

Connecting random dots isn't especially clever. I don't mean that as an insult, but if you don't have the evidence then just label it as a suspicion or a theory. Not a fact.

foggy_lad · 25-03-2014 11:24PM

Shady Tady wrote: »

It's an offence to refuse or fail to give a roadside sample, so the answer is yes, she also smelt of alcohol

She never refused to give a sample, The machine failed to register a reading, Maybe the Guards didn't know how to use it properly?

bubblypop wrote: »

theres no big conspiracy here, she was stopped for taking an illegal turn, then the guards got a smell of alcohol from her.

they suspected she may have been over the limit,
They asked her to supply a sample of breath for analysis but their equipment failed to register a reading!

she was arrested and handcuffed(quite unnecessarily) and turned out she was under the limit.
wow!!

lots of people get arrested for the same thing and released without charge.
perhaps Guards shouldnt arrest anyone for drink driving at all.

cop on with your huge conspiracies!
ordinary uniform Gardai have no authority to cancel tickets so really couldnt give a fup about officers getting in trouble for cancelling tickets!

clare daly is a member of the government, she should be glad the Gardai are out trying to keep the roads safe and not just allowing her drive off because she was a TD.

do we seriously want to go back to the times when a TD could say to a guard 'do you know who i am? do you want a transfer to ballygobackwards? off ya go there good fella'

Those guards were stupid to use handcuffs when there was no need.

ThisRegard · 25-03-2014 11:25PM

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Would you care if she'd broken the law?

That's neither here nor there.

But it is fact the media were told about her arrest, I think while she was still in custody. There's no connecting dots there.

25-03-2014 11:26PM

anyway, start a thread about clare daly's arrest being leaked so if you really think its such a huge conspiracy!

with regard to the phone calls being recorded id imagine theres a lot more Gardai out there thinking

'sh*t, what have i said about the Inspector/Super/Chef on the phone for the last 20 years!!!'

sopretty · 25-03-2014 11:27PM

bubblypop wrote: »

anyway, start a thread about clare daly's arrest being leaked so if you really think its such a huge conspiracy!

with regard to the phone calls being recorded id imagine theres a lot more Gardai out there thinking

'sh*t, what have i said about the Inspector/Super/Chef on the phone for the last 20 years!!!'

Apparently it's fairly incriminating. So, who works in Waterford Garda Station?

How are you feeling this evening? :cool:

25-03-2014 11:30PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

She never refused to give a sample, The machine failed to register a reading, Maybe the Guards didn't know how to use it properly?

Those guards were stupid to use handcuffs when there was no need.

the machine didnt work, they clearly had suspicion that she was over the limit. the roadside breath test does not neccessarily have to be used.

she was under arrest.
therefore there was every need to use handcuffs.
the Guards were not stupid in fact they were completely correct and acted safely.

safety safety safety.

MilanPan!c · 25-03-2014 11:30PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

That's neither here nor there.

But it is fact the media were told about her arrest, I think while she was still in custody. There's no connecting dots there.

Again, who told them? The upper-ups of AGS? Or a Guard that has a friend that a reporter? Or what?

Like the Guards leak to the press on a daily basis, and it's not all sinister in a House of Cards kinda way.

Until you know who and why you're just making guesses.

ThisRegard · 25-03-2014 11:32PM

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Again, who told them? The upper-ups of AGS? Or a Guard that has a friend that a reporter? Or what?

Like the Guards leak to the press on a daily basis, and it's not all sinister in a House of Cards kinda way.

Until you know who and why you're just making guesses.

You yourself list only gardai as potential sources for the leak.

tomwaterford · 25-03-2014 11:34PM

MilanPan!c wrote: »

You are aware of the definition of "coincidence" aren't you?

Like I said: it smell bad.

But.

Before we say it's a fact, we should verify what happened.

That's my point. We don't know.

+1....however GSOC appear to be having bother verifying events of the night

if she was guilty this wouldn't even be up for discussion....
however by her being proven below the limit and story told to the media would seem to suggest they set to blacken her name and it backfired badly

bubblypop wrote: »

anyway, start a thread about clare daly's arrest being leaked so if you really think its such a huge conspiracy!

with regard to the phone calls being recorded id imagine theres a lot more Gardai out there thinking

'sh*t, what have i said about the Inspector/Super/Chef on the phone for the last 20 years!!!'

their inspector will know already:D

Banjo String · 25-03-2014 11:34PM

bubblypop wrote: »

,

is Clare Daly saying she should be treated differently because she is a TD? is she somehow above the law?
is she better than others that have been arrested for suspected drunk driving?

No, actually from what we can tell she cooperated and behaved amicably with the Gardai at all times.

However......

According to the officer, on the night in question, sometime in 2008 or 2009, she requested a breath sample from the Dublin South TD at a Mandatory Alcohol Checkpoint (MATCH) in Pembroke Street.

There was nothing to indicate that he had been drinking.

As she was explaining to Mr Shatter his rights, he said to her: "Don't you know who I am, you cannot stop me."

The garda responded that she did not know who he was, to which he responded, "I am Alan Shatter", and that he was coming from the Dail.

She then told Mr Shatter he was being breathalysed as part of a mandatory checkpoint.

Mr Shatter made two attempts to complete the breath test, which gardai on the scene did not deem to be genuine. When he was told he had not carried out the procedure properly, he said: "Check your law book, it's in the Constitution, you cannot stop me, I am going."

At this point he moved his car, and drove away with an abruptness that forced the garda to step back.

A report on the matter was filed the following day, but has since gone missing.

http://m.prod.independent.ie/irish-news/shatter-breathtest-row-garda-seeks-legal-advice-29317378.html

Yet it was Daly who was 'arrested' and handcuffed.

tomwaterford · 25-03-2014 11:35PM

bubblypop wrote: »

the machine didnt work, they clearly had suspicion that she was over the limit. the roadside breath test does not neccessarily have to be used.

she was under arrest.
therefore there was every need to use handcuffs.
the Guards were not stupid in fact they were completely correct and acted safely.

safety safety safety.

as someone who know many who have been bagged....never heard of them being cuffed

MilanPan!c · 25-03-2014 11:37PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

You yourself list only gardai as potential sources for the leak.

No doubt it was a Guard. But so what?

Open a paper; every day there's dozens of articles based on leaks and secret Guard sources.

None of this means that she was targeted because of her work. She's vaguely famous, no matter what she "stood for" it would've probably have been leaked.

That's the world we live in.

sopretty · 25-03-2014 11:38PM

MilanPan!c wrote: »

No doubt it was a Guard. But so what?

Open a paper; every day there's dozens of articles based on leaks and secret Guard sources.

None of this means that she was targeted because of her work. She's vaguely famous, no matter what she "stood for" it would've probably have been leaked.

That's the world we live in.

And yet whistle-blowing on the gardai is disgusting......?

MilanPan!c · 25-03-2014 11:40PM

sopretty wrote: »

And yet whistle-blowing on the gardai is disgusting......?

Of course it's not.

Whistleblowers are heroes.

This whole issue (recording all the calls) is as troubling as it can be.

Inquiry set up into taping of phone calls from Garda stations

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